Beware out there folks - not nice 'present' on returning home today

[gus-lopez]

Drivers will be stuck nose-to-tail in a jam, while a half-empty bus goes past doing 50 mph,

If you put your mind to it there are various ways to shut a bus lane,many times a day & every day.

These anti-car zealots don't care and don't listen.

& they need to be targetted the same as just oil do to others ,& driven out of there homes.

in the USA break their laws they shoot you.

but they are really just,as thick as shite redknecks dealing with even more stupid TAS rednecks.Most shouldn't be allowed out with a hoop

is that the politicians are rarely qualified to do anything other than to sit down and pass motions.

This ^^^^^^^^ & need to be taught that they are there solely to serve the people.

This is just one of the roads where I have come across going from the National Speed Limit to 20mph. The right hand sign has been knocked a bit and you can see both sides in the image but you can also move beyond the point and see the other sid of the left hand one. The same road at the other end of the village drops ot 30 before going to 20 but this one appears without any warning and can be hidden by foliage. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.1211022,-4.1836851,3a,75y,9.92h,79.23t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1shgI0O3kNuJT7KIFvwuHmPQ!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&w=900&h=600&pitch=10.769999999999996&panoid=hgI0O3kNuJT7KIFvwuHmPQ&yaw=9.92!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkyNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==

exactly, come round the end at 60 mph & faced with a 20mph sign.
I'm fortunate in that I drive according to what the conditions are.

 

[Rallycross]

Is it us or has anyone noticed that fixed speed cameras have a tendency to be sited on downhill sections of road.

 

[Mleabon]

Is it us or has anyone noticed that fixed speed cameras have a tendency to be sited on downhill sections of road.

Where I live. They call them safety cameras. But there is a bit of road on the A45 just past the filling station where the overhead lights stop. 3 or 4 people have been killed there but no speed camera. Surely that would have been the perfect location for a safety camera. All fixed cameras are turned off now in Northamptonshire.

 

[slowdriver]

We call ourselves a democracy and yet these ridiculous speed limits are forced upon us by some faceless council bureaucrats.

I say to them... If you're that brainless that you have to drive at 20mph so you don't run someone over, then please feel free. Don't judge all of us by your standards. No offence.

Actually they are local laws implemented by council officials based on political choices made by the people you elect.

 

[Mleabon]

Actually they are local laws implemented by council officials based on political choices made by the people you elect.

Except there's no one you can vote for who saying they will get rid of speed cameras and ULEZ and start applying common sense instead. That's the problem at National and local levels.

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[ericonabike]

I doubt this will change anyone's mind, but it might make a few think...

Wales’ 20mph speed limits lead to drop in claims for car crashes

'The restriction is clearly having an impact,' says head

www.insurancetimes.co.uk

 

[Chrisvh]

Can I (heaven forbid!) introduce a note of sanity here? If I drive from where I live to Chepstow it takes me 14 minutes if there is no other traffic. I go through Tintern (half a mile at 20mph) and St Arvans (300 metres at 20 Mph). Using a calculator I find that if I were allowed to go at 30mph in these villages, the trip would take me 14.3 minutes. Oh my god! The end of civilisation as we know it! Incidentally, I personally have not seen a situation where the road goes from 60 to 20 just like that - there is always a transition to 30 first. I drive a lot in France, and 20mph (well, 30kmh, which is less than 20mph) is commonplace in areas where there are lots of pedestrians and I have never heard any of my French friends complain. Perhaps because, like me, they also walk and cycle (Don't get me started about the attitude to cyclists of many British motorists! It's why I hate cycling in Britain and love cycling in polite and considerate France. And PLEASE don't tell me of a rude or dangerous experience you have had in France, of course we all have, but I'm talking about the generality here.) I realise I am out of step with many posters on this site, but I still like MotorHome Fun, I have had much help from its contributors over the years and will continue to participate and subscribe. It would be dull world if we were all the same!

I would guess that you are out of step with SOME posters on here. But they are the usual suspects that thrive on outrage, usually over trivial matters.

 

[Wee Bold Davy]

I doubt this will change anyone's mind, but it might make a few think...

Wales’ 20mph speed limits lead to drop in claims for car crashes

'The restriction is clearly having an impact,' says head

www.insurancetimes.co.uk

Less people coming to Wales because of the speed limit not to mention a crap summer which may explain some of the statistics. I don't suppose it will lead to a drop in anyones insurance premium

 

[SpeedyDux]

Can I (heaven forbid!) introduce a note of sanity here? If I drive from where I live to Chepstow it takes me 14 minutes if there is no other traffic. I go through Tintern (half a mile at 20mph) and St Arvans (300 metres at 20 Mph). Using a calculator I find that if I were allowed to go at 30mph in these villages, the trip would take me 14.3 minutes. Oh my god! The end of civilisation as we know it! Incidentally, I personally have not seen a situation where the road goes from 60 to 20 just like that - there is always a transition to 30 first. I drive a lot in France, and 20mph (well, 30kmh, which is less than 20mph) is commonplace in areas where there are lots of pedestrians and I have never heard any of my French friends complain. Perhaps because, like me, they also walk and cycle (Don't get me started about the attitude to cyclists of many British motorists! It's why I hate cycling in Britain and love cycling in polite and considerate France. And PLEASE don't tell me of a rude or dangerous experience you have had in France, of course we all have, but I'm talking about the generality here.) I realise I am out of step with many posters on this site, but I still like MotorHome Fun, I have had much help from its contributors over the years and will continue to participate and subscribe. It would be dull world if we were all the same!

I've driven on that road and all I can say is that the pointless 20 mph zones felt like a trap for unwary English drivers.

I have cousins living in deepest Wales who keep inviting me to visit them but I am less than enthusiastic about risking points on my licence.

As for France their 30 kph zones tend not to appear out of nowhere.

 

[SpeedyDux]

I doubt this will change anyone's mind, but it might make a few think...

Wales’ 20mph speed limits lead to drop in claims for car crashes

'The restriction is clearly having an impact,' says head

www.insurancetimes.co.uk

Maybe the insurance scammers decided to try their luck elsewhere.

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[Wee Bold Davy]

It saves more lives than you would ever imagine. I've spent less time cleaning dead bugs off the car

 

[gpat]

If you think that, just stay away you ain't wanted

I already do. Sadly. Along with many others as you can see from this thread.

 

[Googlebot]

I already do. Sadly. Along with many others as you can see from this thread.

Many?

It’s not that many really is it?

It’s never empty or quiet, campsites always full and same with beaches. Been up Snowdon a few times recently, always rammed!!

I don’t think anyone that thinks it’s acceptable to place their personal convenience and driver privilege above the lives and safety of residents will be missed either.

It’s a slower speed limit, that’s all.

 

[davanne]

Mark draford idiot first minister is the culprit not any councils, he approved £21 million for the change over now he's talking about allotting £10 million so local councils can change some back (after local consultation). Don't worry though we in Wales will remember that stupidity in 2 years time when the labour party are looking to get re-elected into power in Welsh assembly - We will remember them !!!

I’m not a fan of Mark Drakeford but I think you will find our first minister is now Eluned Morgan who took over when Vaughan Gething was ousted . Drakeford hasn’t been in power since he resigned last December.
Drakeford is now health minister.

 

[VXman]

And they may be offered a speed awareness course if not done one in 3 years
It may only bee 3 points and although notifiable to your insurance...if asked ..check the small print is unlikely to effect your premiums
Unless of course you collect points ..some people do I'm lead to believe.

Would you get speed awareness for 27 in a 20? Percentage over the limit that's quite high. Equivalent to 81 in a 60 or 84.5 in a 70.

Edit - ah, might so according to this info

Speed limit	Accepted tolerance to qualify for a speed awareness course
20mph	From 24mph to 31mph
30mph	From 35mph to 42mph
40mph	From 46mph to 53mph
50mph	From 57mph to 64mph
60mph	From 68mph to 75mph
70mph	From 79mph to 86mph

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[jerryz]

If just 10% of motorists carried battery operated heavy duty 8'' angle grinders ,, there would be no fixed cameras in a couple of months ...

 

[BrochMike]

If just 10% of motorists carried battery operated heavy duty 8'' angle grinders ,, there would be no fixed cameras in a couple of months ...

... and fewer entitled speeding idiots on the road (after they're all prosecuted for their vandalism) ...

 

[Phill D]

Along with many others as you can see from this thread.

More than a slight exageration! there are fewer than 50 people who have contributed on this thread.

I have little time for the current devolved Welsh govenment and many of their poor decissions; Poor decissions by politicians often the result of the outcome of the election being decided on history not on effective policies.
But, i can assure you Wales is the same country with the same people as there were prior to the change to 20 mph.

However, everyone is entitled to make their own choices as to where they travel for recreation.

 

[jongood]

20MPH On an A road bonkers. I live near the Welsh border but now nine times out of ten choose to not enter Wales.

same here, its just a pain, this lunchtime we ventured about 8 miles over the border, went through a tiny place called Ardleen, cant be more than 100 houses, nobody about, 20 mph for first 200 yards, out into a bit of countryside so it went to 30mph, then past 6-8 houses it went to 40mph then back to national speed limit all in about 400 yards. Ridiculous!!

 

[jongood]

Sorry to hear you were caught, most drivers have at one time or another, the key for this is was there a sign of 20 mph before you entered the area,

This is all well and good but they now have more signs in Wales than ever before but they also have a lot of hedges and as they leave the hedges uncut to protect the eco system its genuinely not easy to see many of non-urban ones.

I also went through Trewern today and noticed that the tops of the speed limit signs were missing but the big circles were painted on the road as 40mph, no idea whats going on there...

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[Gaza1515]

This... would have been while navigating a horrible and busy forced diversion through the town at the alleged time.

So lovely of them!
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Have you seen this?

 

[Nanniemate]

Have you seen this?

Wearing that tanktop should be criminalised

 

[Coolcats]

This is all well and good but they now have more signs in Wales than ever before but they also have a lot of hedges and as they leave the hedges uncut to protect the eco system its genuinely not easy to see many of non-urban ones.

I also went through Trewern today and noticed that the tops of the speed limit signs were missing but the big circles were painted on the road as 40mph, no idea whats going on there...

Its not what is painted on the road (thats optional and could be wrong) it is the sign and if the sign is covered that in itself would be presentable as reasonable 'defence' as signage has to be clearly viewable, painted road signage is optional and its not a red circle but normally just advisory white paint (not a sign giving an order) !



Download for signage is here

 

[swemmy666]

I doubt this will change anyone's mind, but it might make a few think...

Wales’ 20mph speed limits lead to drop in claims for car crashes

'The restriction is clearly having an impact,' says head

www.insurancetimes.co.uk

Don't be confusing these guys with facts

 

[swemmy666]

same here, its just a pain, this lunchtime we ventured about 8 miles over the border, went through a tiny place called Ardleen, cant be more than 100 houses, nobody about, 20 mph for first 200 yards, out into a bit of countryside so it went to 30mph, then past 6-8 houses it went to 40mph then back to national speed limit all in about 400 yards. Ridiculous!!

pretty unsocial of the residents of that small village not wanting themselves or the kids run over...

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[DerfelUK]

This may be controversial, but as a North Walian and one initially opposed to the blanket 20mph limit, after 12 months I fully support the continued implementation of the limit.
You don't get queues of cars waiting to pull out into the flow if traffic, it definitely feels so much safer for all road users.
Pedestrians have far easier time to cross the road.
Now we are used to it, travelling in England in built up areas at 30mph seems far too fast. Also noticed an increasing amount of 20 limits now appearing in England.
Just my opinion, don't need a fight or any scathing reaction....happy travels, stay safe!

 

[Nigel P]

I assume you are up to date on the Highway Code which clearly states the default speed limit in Wales is 20 (with street lights).
Now I know that people don’t in fact read the Highway Code.
I feel that regular repeaters for 20 is safer than driver reeducation.
Welsh politicians and their advisers did not.

The legislation does not allow the use of repeaters on restricted roads with a system of streetlighting, it was not a choice made by politicians and advisors.

 

[Nigel P]

Can I (heaven forbid!) introduce a note of sanity here? If I drive from where I live to Chepstow it takes me 14 minutes if there is no other traffic. I go through Tintern (half a mile at 20mph) and St Arvans (300 metres at 20 Mph). Using a calculator I find that if I were allowed to go at 30mph in these villages, the trip would take me 14.3 minutes. Oh my god! The end of civilisation as we know it! Incidentally, I personally have not seen a situation where the road goes from 60 to 20 just like that - there is always a transition to 30 first. I drive a lot in France, and 20mph (well, 30kmh, which is less than 20mph) is commonplace in areas where there are lots of pedestrians and I have never heard any of my French friends complain. Perhaps because, like me, they also walk and cycle (Don't get me started about the attitude to cyclists of many British motorists! It's why I hate cycling in Britain and love cycling in polite and considerate France. And PLEASE don't tell me of a rude or dangerous experience you have had in France, of course we all have, but I'm talking about the generality here.) I realise I am out of step with many posters on this site, but I still like MotorHome Fun, I have had much help from its contributors over the years and will continue to participate and subscribe. It would be dull world if we were all the same!

Some areas do shift from 50 to 20 as shown in this snapshot from Oxfordshire. (Watlington) I wholly agree with your view on having a reality check on the difference between 20 and 30 in real life. I used to use an example in my speed awareness courses describing a commute of 5 miles, asking the clients to guess how much the time difference would be by doing the 5 miles at 30 mph and also at 35 mph. They often found it hard to believe that avoiding 3 points/fine/collision severity risk actually cost them 85 seconds.

 

[Coolcats]

If just 10% of motorists carried battery operated heavy duty 8'' angle grinders ,, there would be no fixed cameras in a couple of months ...

Careful you can get jailed for inciting a protest like that

Protests - Potential offences during protests, demonstrations, or campaigns - Annex A | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

 

[KiltedCamper]

Is it us or has anyone noticed that fixed speed cameras have a tendency to be sited on downhill sections of road.

That's because people tend to go faster downhill. The speed limit is there for a reason: safety!

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