I'm sure they will put tax on EVs to make up but equally sure that tax on ice vehicles will rise even more so that the differential remains
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I agree with you but I am not an advocate of 100% neutral, just some sense and balance, this will not be achievable on a Global scale.
Forcing you to scrap an adequate ice car to have to buy a new electric car (even if you have the funds ?) is hardly "Green" if you look at the bigger picture ?
I've never seen anything that says drivers are being forced to replace their ICE cars.
If your ICE is a little local runabout that doesn't do many miles, then it's probably not environmentally beneficial to prematurely replace it. But if you're doing bigger distances, then it may well be "green" to get an EV. The amount of carbon a combustion engine kicks out every year can be pretty significant.
Also, getting an EV doesn't automatically mean your old car gets turned into tin cans and landfill.
I think you're right especially if it's a small fuel efficient ice car. The logical way to arrange taxation is a big increase in fuel duty to make inneficient ice cars and those doing big mileages expensive. They are the ones where there's going to be the biggest gain swapping.
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Ironically though the suitable roles for EV versus ICE are reversed from your case.
EV are definitely good for short journeys and ICE is still to beaten for long high load journeys.
Green makes little difference if the Chinese are pumping out so much pollution, I know you have a different view on this and understand it but globally our EV's are a tiny scratch on the problem.
My brother has been doing 30k a year for the past 5 years with a Nissan Leaf, a Model Y and now a Proace electric. They can totally do big miles.
WHEN your little town runabout needs replacing, then get a Dacia Spring or similar. This won't reduce carbon emissions by much, but it will make the local air quality and urban environment a little nicer (although it'd be better if you just drove less).
And China's electricity production isn't that far off the proportion of renewables as the UK. But their switch over rate is higher, so they'll be significantly greener in a few years.
But yes, ICE in cars is only a small part of a greater issue. We release far too much carbon during manufacturing, food production, construction and flying.
No just going to get a battered old Leaf.
I think that's very true for anyone who's just bothered about the remaining time they have left on the planetThe way life is going to change for the avg 1st world person to "save the planet" may well consider it not to have been worth it . Softly softly
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I see it as meaning lots of changes are required to become "sustainable". But they aren't necessarily bad or backwards steps. It takes effort to make the change, but after that, it's effectively the same or better.
I think the only unavoidable change the 1st world population is going to have to make is that we're going to have to curtail the amount of flights we take.
The pandemic lockdowns proved that we can make drastic changes that were completely unplanned pretty much overnight if we need to. Learning the different pattern for filling up EVs, or eating a bit less meat is not that hard.
Maybe at first then it will all even out! Got to make money from somewhere to give themselves big pay rises.
I agree with you 100%
However how do we get the Chinese and other heavy polluters to do the same? Serious question, not trolling.
China isn't that far behind on terms of the proportion of renewables they use. And it's increasing at a large rate every year... because solar and wind are the cheapest way to generate power.
But if we want the total amount of carbon that China produces to reduce... we need to consume less stuff. And anything we go buy, we need to insists that it's sourced responsibility, it's repairable and it's made to last. If we're prepared to pay a little more, then China will follow that money and make goods more responsibly. Transport of goods only makes up a small proportion of it's total footprint (varies widely, but typically 10%). So where it's made is only a small factor on how much carbon it produced.
A good answer and I agree almost entirely with the second paragraph, I often pay more to not buy Chinese, although on occasions it is unavoidable.
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Why do people never say/do the obvious things.
Stop breeding. There are far too many people, and everyone appears to want a little copy of themselves. There is not enough work to occupy all these people and they will all have a massive carbon footprint. Limit the numbers = lower pollution
Stop breeding. There are far too many people, and everyone appears to want a little copy of themselves. There is not enough work to occupy all these people and they will all have a massive carbon footprint. Limit the numbers = lower pollution
There is work for everyone down here, has been the same since I started working in 1978, plenty to go around.
I know your sentiment though.
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