Are rallies legal after the 4th July?

[Brains]

Boris's new slogan perhaps ?
"Lets get Corona Virus done".

 

[Derbyshire wanderer]

The government has not specified every possibility of every rule ie the sports return didn’t mention clay pidgeon shooting but it was allowed.
The opening of campsites (or rallies) still depends on everyone following the existing rules regarding SD and group size so things like coffee mornings would be not possible but attendance is unless you are attending as a group of friends socialising with more than 6 people.
Being a member of Fun is no different to being a member of MHCC or CCC so doesn’t class you as a group in the regulations.

 

[irnbru]

Well if rallies aren't allowed the insurance companies shouldn't be taking the renewal fee. I think Jims just renewed his.

 

[truffs]

I can not see why not just received a email from Warners Peterborough will possibly going ahead without indoor functions but camping will be allowed. It was a rather longer email but that's what I took out of it.

 

[wizzer59]

Oh yes they’ll happily take the fee, but take no responsibility for anything If it should go wrong, or wriggle out of it if you should dare try claiming, I’ll bet their lawyers are frantically rewriting the small print for Corona virus as we speak or will have already done so

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[bigtwin]

That may be true but a rally is a different thing. IE planned. As such you should have insurance in place. Now let me think .....why would insurance put itself at risk when they don't have to

Because risk IS their business! That is the nature of the insurance business

Ian

 

[Oldbob]

So, what happens if by chance, a lot of people book on one site for the same dates ? And oh, they all know of one another, now there would be a coincidence !

 

[Emmit]

So, what happens if by chance, a lot of people book on one site for the same dates ? And oh, they all know of one another, now there would be a coincidence !

You say that, and how many times have any of us done exactly that, and sometimes at the other end of Europe.

 

[sally47]

Theirs a bronze statue of a racehorse at Stratford Racecourse we can just say we are going to pull it down

 

[TheBig1]

My thoughts are that if huge rallies at motorhome shows are going to be allowed, why not a smaller rally?

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[Nanniemate]

Maybe if we changed it from a rally to a protest and called ourselves something like "Boris Loathes Motorhomers" or an acronym of that, for convenience you understand, then I reckon we could fill Hyde Park !

Have you seen the charges to drive into hyde park , go for Clapham Common or Blackheath

 

[Terry]

Because risk IS their business! That is the nature of the insurance business

Ian

Yes risk is there business but after risk assessment.In this climate what would premium be?
How long before / would it be for insurance to twig that lots of 6 people all know each other and insurance simply cancel cover.
Ask yourself why Jim needs clarification ( insurance wise) before he commits to rallies.

 

[gus-lopez]

Larger numbers meeting up aren't allowed, and it's unclear how long you should wait before you can mix with a different group of people.

So why aren't they driving people off the beaches?
All a business has to do is get any attending signing disclaimers that they agree all risk is on them ,they are not insured , no liability of any type whatsoever is open to them, no medical assistance is on offer ,any who may catch the virus whilst there or in any period after have only themselves to blame for attending.

 

[John Barrett]

So why aren't they driving people off the beaches?
All a business has to do is get any attending signing disclaimers that they agree all risk is on them ,they are not insured , no liability of any type whatsoever is open to them, no medical assistance is on offer ,any who may catch the virus whilst there or in any period after have only themselves to blame for attending.

Now PPI has finished that sounds like a golden opportunity for liability ambulance chasers!

 

[Kannon Fodda]

So why aren't they driving people off the beaches?

Same reason they didn't stop the BLM marches and many other things. Numbers. Just too many to be able to police / enforce. In the initial stages of lockdown, when the majority followed the rules, the very few not behaving stuck out and so were easy to identify and be dealt with. But now that groups are moving about en-masse, how do you empty a beach with thousands of people. Problem however is that a smaller grouping, say of 50 people would still be something the authorities could cope with. So they won't be able to clear a beach, but emptying a field of rallying campers would be almost easy pickings.

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[Pausim]

All a business has to do is get any attending signing disclaimers that they agree all risk is on them ,they are not insured , no liability of any type whatsoever is open to them

Not entirely true. Organisers and businesses can protect themselves to some extent with a waiver but under the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 they can still be held liable for negligence.

 

[John Barrett]

Not entirely true. Organisers and businesses can protect themselves to some extent with a waiver but under the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 they can still be held liable for negligence.

Agreed. Hence my post #44 above.

 

[Terry]

So why aren't they driving people off the beaches?
All a business has to do is get any attending signing disclaimers that they agree all risk is on them ,they are not insured , no liability of any type whatsoever is open to them, no medical assistance is on offer ,any who may catch the virus whilst there or in any period after have only themselves to blame for attending.

Sounds very simple but it does not work that way.There are exemptions in place already for clubs etc to hold rallies on fields etc that are not club sites ....afraid it's more complicated than that
Shell island is a very good example of what is being suggested,they don't allow group gathering,(rallies etc) no unit is allowed within 15 meters of next one unless the first unit allows them closer. No idea what would happen if a MH caught fire and the next one went up because it's closer than the recommendation 15 MTRS

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Same reason they didn't stop the BLM marches and many other things. Numbers. Just too many to be able to police / enforce. In the initial stages of lockdown, when the majority followed the rules, the very few not behaving stuck out and so were easy to identify and be dealt with. But now that groups are moving about en-masse, how do you empty a beach with thousands of people. Problem however is that a smaller grouping, say of 50 people would still be something the authorities could cope with. So they won't be able to clear a beach, but emptying a field of rallying campers would be almost easy pickings.

Just take all the reg numbers and fines in the post. Simples. That's why most legal motorists are easy pickings

 

[Wildbill]

so is traveling to a failed somewhere to have a rally essential travail as i have not herd anything abut the lifting of essential travail ban or have i missed sumthing
bill

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[irnbru]

so is traveling to a failed somewhere to have a rally essential travail as i have not herd anything abut the lifting of essential travail ban or have i missed sumthing
bill

You’ve missed it Bill. You can go away in van from 3rd July in Scotland, campsites open 15th July you can go away from 4th in England

 

[bigtwin]

That may be true but a rally is a different thing. IE planned. As such you should have insurance in place. Now let me think .....why would insurance put itself at risk when they don't have to

Because risk IS their business! That is the nature of the insurance business

Yes risk is there business but after risk assessment.In this climate what would premium be?

This is a different point from your initial statement. But to answer the question, it will reflect the risk that they’ve assessed and they’ll happily take the premium if customers are willing to pay it.

Ask yourself why Jim needs clarification ( insurance wise) before he commits to rallies.

Because he doesn‘t want to take the risk and, sensibly, is checking exactly what the policy he has paid a premium for covers. If it covers COVID 19, the insurers will have set their premium accordingly. If it doesn’t cover COVID 19 then, evidently, they’ll have judged that risk is too high requiring a premium that wasn’t tenable.

Ian

 

[irnbru]

Just been checking the extended group info.

This is for Scotland and will obviously depend on virus staying suppressed.

10th July

 

[gus-lopez]

how do you empty a beach with thousands of people.

you don't really want me to answer that do you ?

Not entirely true. Organisers and businesses can protect themselves to some extent with a waiver but under the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 they can still be held liable for negligence.

Ltd, shut it down reopen under another name.same as all the scammers do.

 

[gus-lopez]

Just been checking the extended group info.

This is for Scotland and will obviously depend on virus staying suppressed.

10th July



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Do I take it that if I come to the Uk later that if I need a filling I can't get it done? Is that what " non-aerosol routine care " means . basically looking & nothing else?

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[Terry]

This is a different point from your initial statement. But to answer the question, it will reflect the risk that they’ve assessed and they’ll happily take the premium if customers are willing to pay it.



Because he doesn‘t want to take the risk and, sensibly, is checking exactly what the policy he has paid a premium for covers. If it covers COVID 19, the insurers will have set their premium accordingly. If it doesn’t cover COVID 19 then, evidently, they’ll have judged that risk is too high requiring a premium that wasn’t tenable.

Ian

Hi Ian why are you telling me all this?
That's more or less what I have been saying to others
If you have ever run a rally under MHF then Jim sends you a copy of Funs insurance etc , Does not cover much but keeps everything legal.No doubt Jim will be back on once he hears from them. Meanwhile make your own mind up and stay safe

 

[Puddleduck]

You’ve missed it Bill. You can go away in van from 3rd July in Scotland, campsites open 15th July you can go away from 4th in England

Unless you are in the shielding group where restrictions are still in place until 31 July (at the moment) - Scotland .

 

[irnbru]

Do I take it that if I come to the Uk later that if I need a filling I can't get it done? Is that what " non-aerosol routine care " means . basically looking & nothing else?

I’ve no idea but no doubt England will be different anyway.

 

[Pausim]

So why aren't they driving people off the beaches?

Because they are overwhelmed. A Major Incident has been declared for Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole beaches following yesterdays invasion. The authorities were unable to keep up with the drunkenness, fights, abuse, litter and illegal parking. Overnight campers were evicted. The result, visitors are no longer welcome.

 

[Geo]

The whole thing has descended into farce now
Just the simplest thing, folks can't visit grandkids, but they can all go and stand in the queue outside tesco

Descended? You mean its tripped over, Itwas never high enough to descend.

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