90 days abroad

[Skez]

No I don’t advocate ignoring all rules ( although the Dutch are not big on following rules, we do leave that to our neighbours over the eastern border) but I would certainly not wish your list of nasty consequences upon people if they do…..

Fair enough - we can agree to differ. But my retirement plan is torn up because of the 90/180 - Nonetheless I will follow the rules and adapt. To me, it is unacceptable that some think they don't have to, with no expectation of negative consequences. And I'll leave it there or we'll stray into forbidden territory.

 

[Jim]

But students are a different ball game altogether when it comes to visas. Even now under the Withdrawal Agreement they have far greater benefits still as they taper down.

I know they are different, I mention them only because someone said that because its the ability to wander all over the place, that would make the liklihood of having a property owners visa unlikley. If they worried about that they wouldn't issue any visa. The countries have to trust each other not to issue visas to crooks/terrorists etc

 

[2657]

A visa is a visa, it gets you in. Whether Portugal issue a Homeowners Visa or a Student Visa, the result is the same, that visa holder can wander all over the Schenzen, A major failing as far as I'm concerened. But if they were worried about it they wouldn't issue any.

I do not believe that you cannot see the difference between student, employment visas that are already authorised in the Schengen zone to a new travel or extended stay for leisure purposes.
If issued by a specific state then it would need the agreement of all member states to change the rules, many of whom have no interest in long stay tourists.

 

[busby]

I do not believe that you cannot see the difference between student, employment visas that are already authorised in the Schengen zone to a new travel or extended stay for leisure purposes.
If issued by a specific state then it would need the agreement of all member states to change the rules, many of whom have no interest in long stay tourists.

Are you sure about that ? BUSBY.

 

[2657]

Are you sure about that ? BUSBY.

Not sure at all but the concept of an open border area needs an agreement from all member states as to who can enter the area and for what reasons.

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[Dutch 68]

Actually being pedantic,there aren't. Now I come under the 90 in 180 even as a resident in spain if I wish to benefit from a longer period in another state over 90 days using a visa I have to apply to the relevant embassy for the country in the UK.You cannot apply from anywhere except country of nationality.

It cannot be had both ways.

They did ,it was called the european union.In you get the benefits, whatever they were ,out you don't

But students are a different ball game altogether when it comes to visas. Even now under the Withdrawal Agreement they have far greater benefits still as they taper down.

The membership of the EU was about more then tourism access to EU countries though, also the UK grants 180 days continuous access, if this was given to UK citizens then I think a lot of people would be far happier .

 

[Jim]

I do not believe that you cannot see the difference between student, employment visas that are already authorised in the Schengen zone to a new travel or extended stay for leisure purposes.
If issued by a specific state then it would need the agreement of all member states to change the rules, many of whom have no interest in long stay tourists.

For traveling within the Schenzen, I can't see the difference between them and say a homeowners visa, While different, they would all allow travel everywhere. You said that would be a reason they do not happen; I was just blowing a hole in your reasoning, as that is an issue with all visas . Not just the hypothetical one we are discussing.

 

[2657]

For traveling withing the Schenzen, I can't see the difference between them and say a homeowners visa, While different, they would all allow travel everywhere. You said that would be a reason they do not happen; I was just blowing a hole in your reasoning, as that is an issue with all visas . Not just the hypothetical one we are discussing.

I did not say that they do not happen, what I said was that it would be unlikely to be allowed without approval of all member states, the reason that I gave is valid.
Students, workers are granted visas for specific reasons and with the agreement of other member states with the knowledge that once in the Schengen zone they would be able to travel without check in the zone.
A homeowner's visa is a different matter to a general leisure visa.
I would think it likely that a 6 month visa for this purpose would be agreed to by all member states.
I also think it unlikely that all member states would agree to an extended leisure visa for UK citizens and residents without extending that facility to all 3rd country nationals.

 

[Madcaravanner]

I would think it likely that a 6 month visa for this purpose would be agreed to by all member states.

I also think it unlikely that all member states would agree to an extended leisure visa for UK citizens and residents without extending that facility to all 3rd country nationals.

I actually doubt whether a leisure visa will ever be agreed for UK citizens - just to punish the British for daring to leave the EU's cosy politically unifying club - after all we left the European Army first too and that upset so many generals

 

[Kups]

This is worth a read but a very long way to go on this one.

Spain fights to extend 90 day rule for Britons

COSTA BLANCA officials are lobbying to extend the 90 day rule so British people can spend more time in Spain. Since the Brexit transition period ended, Britons are allowed to stay in Spain for 90 days out of every 180.

www.express.co.uk

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[Jim]

I also think it unlikely that all member states would agree to an extended leisure visa for UK citizens and residents without extending that facility to all 3rd country nationals.

No idea how likely it is. I doubt the UK will push for it. Why would they? I'm sure the Government would prefer them here, spending into the UK economy.

If it happens, it will be because EU countries push for it and issue their own Visas

 

[Littlewheels]

Visa might not be necessary fingers crossed.


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[SteveRallye]

I agree with Dutch 68, whats fair for them should be for us, I am would like to think if we could cut there stay time down to match ours it would go down like a lead ballon over there.

 

[Martyn911]

as far as macron and his mum are concerned the uk are bad news for leaving the club so i cant see it happening

Why did you have to bring his wife into it, and be so rude about her? Unnecessary.

 

[Jim]

Why did you have to bring his wife into it, and be so rude about her? Unnecessary.

That's not his mum then?

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[gus-lopez]

The membership of the EU was about more then tourism access to EU countries though, also the UK grants 180 days continuous access, if this was given to UK citizens then I think a lot of people would be far happier .

Yes but the reason for that was A) the Uk did not wish to offer a registration facility to EU citizens who,if they could not or did not comply, still could not be thrown out & B) it suited them to make it 180 days so that way the seasonal workers from the EU could enter & leave witot any need for paperwork.
The EU rules took precedence & were 90 consecutive days then you were a resident, but if national rules offered greater security or advantage to the citizen they then took precedence & that is how the UK got stuck with EU allowed 180 days in the UK whilst UK citizens are restricted to 90 days in the EU.
As I don't believe any other state offers in excess of 90 consecutive days I can't see it happening

I agree with Dutch 68, whats fair for them should be for us, I am would like to think if we could cut there stay time down to match ours it would go down like a lead ballon over there.

As above. The UK brought it on themselves taking the easy way which also back fired in that they had no real idea how many were even in the Uk.
As for lead balloons I doubt it would even be noticed. You can probably count on one hand the amount of EU citizens who wish to holiday in the UK for in excess of 90 days.Unless of course they have family legally living there they may want longer.
The only people who might stay longer than 90 days are probably like me , permanent residents elsewhere, but then we have the right to stay being British nationals so the rules do not apply in reality.

 

[jumar]

What a great thread....keep it running...so entertaining....

 

[Sharkfighter]

This is worth a read but a very long way to go on this one.

Spain fights to extend 90 day rule for Britons

COSTA BLANCA officials are lobbying to extend the 90 day rule so British people can spend more time in Spain. Since the Brexit transition period ended, Britons are allowed to stay in Spain for 90 days out of every 180.

www.express.co.uk

Seems the real reason Spain wants to extend the 90 day rule is MONEY!!

Spain’s Costa Blanca Authorities Want to Extend the Permitted Period of Stay for UK Citizens

The Alicante Provincial Council President, Carlos Mazon, had a meeting with the Ambassador of Spain to the UK, José Pascual Marco, during which they talked about the situation of British residents in the province after Brexit. During this meeting, Mazon asked the Ambassador to extend the 90-day...

www.schengenvisainfo.com

 

[Dutch 68]

Seems the real reason Spain wants to extend the 90 day rule is MONEY!!

Spain’s Costa Blanca Authorities Want to Extend the Permitted Period of Stay for UK Citizens

The Alicante Provincial Council President, Carlos Mazon, had a meeting with the Ambassador of Spain to the UK, José Pascual Marco, during which they talked about the situation of British residents in the province after Brexit. During this meeting, Mazon asked the Ambassador to extend the 90-day...

www.schengenvisainfo.com

What’s new lol, of course it is money, money , power and religion it has always be like that, will never change….

 

[2657]

Seems the real reason Spain wants to extend the 90 day rule is MONEY!!

Spain’s Costa Blanca Authorities Want to Extend the Permitted Period of Stay for UK Citizens

The Alicante Provincial Council President, Carlos Mazon, had a meeting with the Ambassador of Spain to the UK, José Pascual Marco, during which they talked about the situation of British residents in the province after Brexit. During this meeting, Mazon asked the Ambassador to extend the 90-day...

www.schengenvisainfo.com

Well I would never have thought that....what a surprise

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[Lynne Roy]

Seems the real reason Spain wants to extend the 90 day rule is MONEY!!

Spain’s Costa Blanca Authorities Want to Extend the Permitted Period of Stay for UK Citizens

The Alicante Provincial Council President, Carlos Mazon, had a meeting with the Ambassador of Spain to the UK, José Pascual Marco, during which they talked about the situation of British residents in the province after Brexit. During this meeting, Mazon asked the Ambassador to extend the 90-day...

www.schengenvisainfo.com

That’s fine, they can happily have my money if they let me stay longer than 90 days x

 

[Martyn911]

I'm sorry - but why should anyone think they can wilfully ignore the rules / laws. I would expect sanction if I did so. Why should some of us bend over backwards to make sure we follow the rules which are an outcome of us leaving the EU, and others think they can stick two fingers up??

Because he’s uneducated

 

[busby]

Seems the real reason Spain wants to extend the 90 day rule is MONEY!!

Spain’s Costa Blanca Authorities Want to Extend the Permitted Period of Stay for UK Citizens

The Alicante Provincial Council President, Carlos Mazon, had a meeting with the Ambassador of Spain to the UK, José Pascual Marco, during which they talked about the situation of British residents in the province after Brexit. During this meeting, Mazon asked the Ambassador to extend the 90-day...

www.schengenvisainfo.com

Obviously,,,BUSBY.

 

[busby]

Because he’s uneducated

So educated people don't break the law,,, BUSBY.

 

[Martyn911]

Come on Ring leader Jim, let’s have a poll to see who voted Brexit and are now complaining they can’t say in Europe for over ninety days. They didn’t understand the consequences Of their vote. someone mentioned free movement well yeah free movement they come to our country and we go to their country get it. problem with this Fun motorhome thing is a lot of you old racist people oh dear keep the foreigners out of our country and let us travel around Europe well it ain’t gonna happen as tiger Tom said get over it. come on Jim before you send me to Coventry I don’t give a f—-ck If you banned me from motorhome fun But it would be very interesting

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[LesW]

... aaand another thread bites the dust

 

[Minxy]

I think someone has been on too much of the cheap wine from France ... hopefully it's nice and warm in Coventry!

 

[Minxy]

... aaand another thread bites the dust

Nah, it just means funsters can hopefully get back to what we were trying to 'sensibly' talk about (yes I know 'funsters' and 'sensible' in the same sentence doesn't appear often ).

 

[TDub49]

Reading this thread, I'm just reminded of the old aphorism "be careful what you wish for". Seems more than a few people got what they thought they wanted, only to find that it is not at all what they thought it would be.

 

[Phill D]

Reading this thread, I'm just reminded of the old aphorism "be careful what you wish for". Seems more than a few people got what they thought they wanted, only to find that it is not at all what they thought it would be.

Stop it now please....

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