90 days abroad

[Jim]

So to reciprocate, should Europeans be allowed free movement in the UK too then?

Who mentioned free movement?

 

[tonyidle]

even the French are backing off the fishery "war" after only a couple of days)

Only because Boris quietly backed down and Jersey issued all the permits the French fishermen were asking for. But our Press spin it differently.

 

[Emmit]

Yes but they could offer longer allowances but you would have to arrive by boat or plane.

Never happen whilst France is in the EU, nor should it be allowed .

Apart from we left the club? We never had it before we were in the EU so can hardly expect to retain it when we have entered then left?

You just be arrested & deported as an over stayer

The only way they can offer in excess of 90 days is if you fly in or arrive direct by boat. entry via a schengen state would get you deported.

"The only way they can offer in excess of 90 days is if you fly in or arrive direct by boat. entry via a schengen state would get you deported."

Don't you mean "departure via a schengen state would get you deported"

 

[Guigsy]

Who mentioned free movement?

no valid reasons why Brits shouldn't be granted free travel movement (maybe work permits etc if longer stays are envisaged).

 

[VXman]

Surely the only thing that needs to be retained is the restrictions on immigration and work. The travel and tourism side is completely separate and is advantageous to both sides.

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[Jim]

Yes but they could offer longer allowances but you would have to arrive by boat or plane

Common sense says the production of the visa that say allowed 180 days in Portugal would negate any Schengen issues at the border. So in France expect to be penalised

 

[mitzimad]

the problem is the lack of borders within shengen countries once in spain you could roam around for the length of the visa provided you then left for home from spain

 

[Twogirls]

Now that the Brits are returning here to Portugal for their normal long winter stays, we personally know people who are saying they fully intend to carry on as before and stay through until next spring as they've always done, they don't believe there will be any problem. One couple said if questioned they would just blame it on old age and ignorance of the "rules" and they're certain there wont be any repercussions. It will be interesting to see if they're right!

 

[busby]

Now that the Brits are returning here to Portugal for their normal long winter stays, we personally know people who are saying they fully intend to carry on as before and stay through until next spring as they've always done, they don't believe there will be any problem. One couple said if questioned they would just blame it on old age and ignorance of the "rules" and they're certain there wont be any repercussions. It will be interesting to see if they're right!

I am an optomist but not that much, BUSBY.

 

[Jim]

the problem is the lack of borders within shengen countries once in spain you could roam around for the length of the visa provided you then left for home from spain

I suppose that is true for every/any visa issued by any EU country. Once in say France, on that Visa, there is not a lot to stop them wandering around any other country in the schengen.

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[2657]

I suppose that is true for every/any visa issued by any EU country. Once in say France, on that Visa, there is not a lot to stop them wandering around any other country in the schengen.

I would think that is the reason that it is unlikely to happen without the agreement and inclusion in the scheme of every country in the Schengen zone.
The whole concept of open borders in the Schengen zone would be compromised otherwise.

 

[Jim]

I would think that is the reason that it is unlikely to happen without the agreement and inclusion in the scheme of every country in the Schengen zone.
The whole concept of open borders in the Schengen zone would be compromised otherwise.

So there are no Visas of any kind issued to vistors in Scengen countries.

 

[jumartoo]

We are Spanish residents, but we also have to abide by the 90/180 if we leave Spain anywhere other than the UK. Obviously there are no borders, within Schengen, with checks (in normal times) but would we risk overstaying???

 

[Dutch 68]

We are Spanish residents, but we also have to abide by the 90/180 if we leave Spain anywhere other than the UK. Obviously there are no borders, within Schengen, with checks (in normal times) but would we risk overstaying???

Thank god I always maintained my Dutch passport, it has been a hassle sometimes but now it is rather useful to have the freedom to travel whenever I want and how long I want, really don’t understand their concern, as long as tourists bring in money and are not costing the various nations any money then what’s the issue? Lots of peoples life’s have been affected by this 90/180 rule in a negative way, sad really ……

 

[Skez]

Now that the Brits are returning here to Portugal for their normal long winter stays, we personally know people who are saying they fully intend to carry on as before and stay through until next spring as they've always done, they don't believe there will be any problem. One couple said if questioned they would just blame it on old age and ignorance of the "rules" and they're certain there wont be any repercussions. It will be interesting to see if they're right!

I would hope that they're fined, deported, refused re-entry and have their vans, holiday homes in Portugal and anything else the authorities can get their hands on seized. Democracy (whatever my view of the outcome!) put us in this position, and to arrogantly think they can ignore the rules and carry on 'as they've always done' beggars belief.

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[TDub49]

I would hope that they're fined, deported, refused re-entry and have their vans, holiday homes in Portugal and anything else the authorities can get their hands on seized. Democracy (whatever my view of the outcome!) put us in this position, and to arrogantly think they can ignore the rules and carry on 'as they've always done' beggars belief.

I hope these people will show the same tolerance for overstayers in the UK as they expect to receive from the authorities abroad . . .

 

[LesW]

I would hope that they're fined, deported, refused re-entry and have their vans, holiday homes in Portugal and anything else the authorities can get their hands on seized. Democracy (whatever my view of the outcome!) put us in this position, and to arrogantly think they can ignore the rules and carry on 'as they've always done' beggars belief.

What a lovely person you are.

 

[2657]

So there are no Visas of any kind issued to vistors in Scengen countries.

I think those visas will be with the agreement of the other Schengen States, I assume they will be for the whole of the Schengen zone, possibly limited to employment in one state, I have no knowledge of this just pondering possibilities.
The words 'think' and 'unlikely' in my post may have given a clue.

 

[Skez]

What a lovely person you are.

I'm sorry - but why should anyone think they can wilfully ignore the rules / laws. I would expect sanction if I did so. Why should some of us bend over backwards to make sure we follow the rules which are an outcome of us leaving the EU, and others think they can stick two fingers up??

 

[busby]

So there are no Visas of any kind issued to vistors in Scengen countries.

Think they are available, ,but a big hassle to obtain.BUSBY.

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[busby]

I would hope that they're fined, deported, refused re-entry and have their vans, holiday homes in Portugal and anything else the authorities can get their hands on seized. Democracy (whatever my view of the outcome!) put us in this position, and to arrogantly think they can ignore the rules and carry on 'as they've always done' beggars belief.

That's harsher than we treat murderers in the uk.BUSBY

 

[Dutch 68]

I would hope that they're fined, deported, refused re-entry and have their vans, holiday homes in Portugal and anything else the authorities can get their hands on seized. Democracy (whatever my view of the outcome!) put us in this position, and to arrogantly think they can ignore the rules and carry on 'as they've always done' beggars belief.

Furthermore it beggars belief that you wish the above upon people, I would rather see that people in position of power see sense and that they would work out a solution so that people who worked all their life’s to get to a point in life that they can spend the winter months in warmer climes which is beneficial for their health and well-being . Just because the rules are the rules is not cutting it here, some rules are very badly designed so someone should take note and change them for the better.

 

[busby]

Thank god I always maintained my Dutch passport, it has been a hassle sometimes but now it is rather useful to have the freedom to travel whenever I want and how long I want, really don’t understand their concern, as long as tourists bring in money and are not costing the various nations any money then what’s the issue? Lots of peoples life’s have been affected by this 90/180 rule in a negative way, sad really ……

I hate you.BUSBY.

 

[Jim]

I think those visas will be with the agreement of the other Schengen States, I assume they will be for the whole of the Schengen zone, possibly limited to employment in one state, I have no knowledge of this just pondering possibilities.
The words 'think' and 'unlikely' in my post may have given a clue.

Countries issue visa's every day. One Schengen country issues a Visa to a Student. That student can pretty much wander around any country in the zone. But you just said. I would think that is the reason that it is unlikely to happen. But student Visas happen.

 

[Skez]

Just because the rules are the rules is not cutting it here, some rules are very badly designed so someone should take note and change them for the better.

So do you advocate ignoring all rules you don't agree with rather than taking a democratic route to press for change?

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[gus-lopez]

Jersey issued all the permits the French fishermen were asking for.

It is those living in Jersey who I feel sorry for. having to deal with all this nonsense which should not affect them in any way,they were resolutely assured would not affect them in any way whatsoever & now being hung out to dry as the whipping boy stuck in the middle.
Some fishing boats from Jersey are having to run out of the south-west due to the possibility of blockades from the french .as one Trawler captain said he was now operating from Brixham & instead of seeing family most days it was now twice a week. " & we didn't even get a vote as it wasn't anything to do with us"??

"The only way they can offer in excess of 90 days is if you fly in or arrive direct by boat. entry via a schengen state would get you deported."

Don't you mean "departure via a schengen state would get you deported"

Yes. Unless of course you enetered via France, travelled to spain using the theoretical new permit,left via boat & then attempted to enter schengen again to find you are on the guillotine list

Common sense says the production of the visa that say allowed 180 days in Portugal would negate any Schengen issues at the border. So in France expect to be penalised

But that would compromise the schengen area system.It will never happen by anything other than air/boat direct.
too many people who are affected by it now,have restrictions & who would not benefit from it wouldn't be happy.

 

[Dutch 68]

So do you advocate ignoring all rules you don't agree with rather than taking a democratic route to press for change?

No I don’t advocate ignoring all rules ( although the Dutch are not big on following rules, we do leave that to our neighbours over the eastern border) but I would certainly not wish your list of nasty consequences upon people if they do…..

 

[2657]

Countries issue visa's every day. One Schengen country issues a Visa to a Student. That student can pretty much wander around any country in the zone. But you just said. I would think that is the reason that it is unlikely to happen. But student Visas happen.

I thought we were talking about extended travel visas not student or employment visas which, as far as I know, are issued by specific countries within the existing rules of the Schengen agreement.

 

[Jim]

I thought we were talking about extended travel visas not student or employment visas!

A visa is a visa, it gets you in. Whether Portugal issue a Homeowners Visa or a Student Visa, the result is the same, that visa holder can wander all over the Schenzen, A major failing as far as I'm concerened. But if they were worried about it they wouldn't issue any.

 

[gus-lopez]

So there are no Visas of any kind issued to vistors in Scengen countries.

Actually being pedantic,there aren't. Now I come under the 90 in 180 even as a resident in spain if I wish to benefit from a longer period in another state over 90 days using a visa I have to apply to the relevant embassy for the country in the UK.You cannot apply from anywhere except country of nationality.

What a lovely person you are.

It cannot be had both ways.

Furthermore it beggars belief that you wish the above upon people, I would rather see that people in position of power see sense and that they would work out a solution so that people who worked all their life’s to get to a point in life that they can spend the winter months in warmer climes which is beneficial for their health and well-being . Just because the rules are the rules is not cutting it here, some rules are very badly designed so someone should take note and change them for the better.

They did ,it was called the european union.In you get the benefits, whatever they were ,out you don't

One Schengen country issues a Visa to a Student.

But students are a different ball game altogether when it comes to visas. Even now under the Withdrawal Agreement they have far greater benefits still as they taper down.

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