2030 no new diesel vans. What's your plan?

I think as we get close to the 2030 cutoff depreciation on new Diesel vans will ramp up. This will put off people buying them even more.

I suspect however after 2030 depreciation will start to fall as there will be no new supply of second hand vans. Restricted supply always pushes price up.

I would only consider buying new if I was intending to keep it for it's entire lifespan. This way depreciation doesn't matter.

However, I suspect that sales of Diesel vehicles will start to crash by 2025. I also suspect this will make them unprofitable for the manufacturers who rely on making large numbers to keep profitable. Keeping an engine factory running to produce 50% less engines will not be viable.
So I think there will be much less choice from 2025 onwards.

Then there is the impact on the petrol stations. The smaller ones will start to close as fewer people use them. Larger ones near bigger towns will continue as they will be able to install chargers, cafes and shops etc. But the smaller community ones in villages will become unprofitable as demand falls.

Big changes ahead and no one can really predict what will happen. These are my guesses.
 
Quite frankly, if I was to worry as to what may or may not happen in ten years time, it would be about something far more important that Motohoming

The past is memories, the future a fantasy, it's only today that we truly live - one life, live it
 
It seems that the manufacturers of vans and trucks are still divided between pursuing Electric and Hydrogen.

Until that choice resolves itself, and the associated infrastructure, I think anyone would be wise to hold off buying anything soon for use much beyond 2030.

Geoff
 
They will be discussing the same subject on narrow boats , should they have an electric one, will they still get diesel. Everyone is guessing.

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Shell are coming next week, they will be sinking an exploratory well in my back garden drilling for oil. If they strike oil. I will be selling it at £5 pl. I am at this very moment designing extra large fuel tanks which will be in the gaps on the walls of the van thereby insulating the van and getting you from UK to Spain on one fill up. I am looking for a partner who would like to open up the same in Spain. We could be millionaires within 5 years.
Ah you say what about payload. Well, by then we will all be eating dried food as the astronauts do, so that will reduce your payload. Because dried food will make you slimmer. I believe that you do less poo with dried food so only need to empty the cassette every fortnight. As for drinking water the tablet you take instead of food will contain all the H2O that you need as the body will mutate to accommodate the changes. As the world is going through global warming we will not need to travel such vast distances to be warm. My biggest concern is tyres as they are cutting down trees quicker than we can grow them how will we get the rubber to produce tyres. I hope that we don’t go back to solids as most of my teeth are loose and solid tyres will rattle them out.

Oh I have had enough of this Tom foolishness going to have some proper food and a cup of splosh. I hope that I did not waste too much of your day 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
I can’t realistically see how the ban will come into effect in 2030. The majority of cars seem to park on the road over night how are they going to be charged? Along with range issues especially for vans the 2030 date seems very optimistic to me?

Or is this just wishful thinking? We have just changed our van slightly earlier than planned. I’m slightly worried now by this announcement but also that of the road tax/tax per mile. I can see it being too expensive to travel like we do or have done.

I should add that we are (almost) on the younger side and hoping to travel when we eventually retire!

The proposals for raising alternative road tax may work well in an area like London where there is good public transport but in the North public transport links are poor and we have no choice but to drive.
 
Does this ice ban come into effect in Europe or just uk?
 
Stacetop said:
I can’t realistically see how the ban will come into effect in 2030. The majority of cars seem to park on the road over night how are they going to be charged? Along with range issues especially for vans the 2030 date seems very optimistic to me?
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I don't think there will be an issue for cars or charge points, there will be plenty of both.

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Suitable vans to convert into motorhomes for those stuck at 3.5t who want range and payload, well thats another issue altogether.

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10 years is a long time, and technology can be expected to have provided an answer at least for the commercial base vehicle. But whether it is practical for that base vehicle to be a motorhome is another question. If it's an electric vehicle, loads of solar may just be enough to do habitation, but you won't be getting a recharge from driving the engine anymore. Your off grid activities will have to be curtailed, and are campsites going to install vehicle charge points accessible from most pitches? Even the tent and caravaners will be needing this.

Diesel will be a less and less popular fuel. Much like many are struggling to get a LPG fill for onboard cylinders, the diesel and petrol forecourt is going to be more scarce as demand from motorists drop. Government is already rumoured to be looking at how to make up the fuel taxes.

In the grand picture the motorhomer is a minor issue, unlikely to feature on the radar of the environmentalist politician. I'd hope my little PVC is more than capable of filling my needs for another 5 years plus. As the 2030 deadline approaches, we'll have a clearer picture of the future transportation options, and at that time I'll know whether to invest in that new vehicle, or alternatively time to pack it all in and go back to being a bucket and spade type bucket airline tourist (however airlines are allowed to operate in the environmental climate that will exist by then)
 
It's only the sale of new diesel and petrol vehicles that stops, not the supply of diesel and petrol, you don't need to be fully electric by 2030.

The availability of base models to build on will be interesting, no manufacturer is going to want to be stuck with a load of non saleable stock, so I guess the last couple of years there may be next to no stock left.

As people have found on here, their brand new motorhome is actually a couple of years old before it is registered as new for sale.

Maybe it will go all Mad Max and we'll be defending our fuel stocks.
 
Will be just the same as the 90/180 rule...nothing decided yet....yes it has....no it hasn't......we need to wait until 2030...there will be a deal.....or perhaps not....or there again....all my vehicles are electric....my eBike...my scooter has a battery...my motorhome has two batteries... isn't that electric.....
We live in Spain so it's different electricity....so electric cars only run on the right....UK cars will need to have a converter to run on the other side......so many things to to think about...only got 10 years......all Aires will have charging points as will all wildcamping spots....generators will once again become popular...very popular....the bigger the better, but can I buy petrol to power it up....
 
A lot of this is also going to come down to finance.
Many of us will be faced with a double, wammy. Not only worrying about whether we can continue motorhoming with our current ice van, but also having to change / upgrade our daily vehicle.
I have a van thats 3.5 yrs old and am in no rush to change and probably wouldnt for another 5 yrs or so. However, thats getting much closer to the cut off date and my vans value could potentially be below what its trade in value would have been had thing remained as now.
At that time, our petrol car would also be up for change, so do I, or can I afford to pay, perhaps £30k plus for car and also upgrade my van to whatever's availabe then. This is could push the spend to well over £100k+.
We love the whole camping experience and would want to continue well into the 2030s. So I am thinking of perhaps selling the van in the next couple of years (2022/3) earlier enough before the 2030 date to still get a reasonable amount for it and combining the upgrade / change of the daily vehicle to a ev, something capable of towing a caravan. There I said it, sorry.
Therefore offsetting some of the overall cost of a new car plus new motorhome.
Just thinking aloud, but these posts do make you think and some good points made by others.

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Jim said:
I don't think there will be an issue for cars or charge points, there will be plenty of both.

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Suitable vans to convert into motorhomes for those stuck at :h:.5t who want range and payload, well thats another issue altogether.
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How many of these are universal? Friend of mine went to a farm b&b in Cornwall, couldn't find a suitable charging point so they kindly plugged in an extension lead through the kitchen window. Apparently this was standard practice for visitors. Because I can now fill up with diesel at any forecourt EVs will need the same flexibility that's sadly lacking atm.
 
The weight limit has already been increased by 750 Kg.
"Holders of a standard Category B car licence are able to drive electric vans weighing up to 4.25 tonnes, more than the usual 3.5 tonnes that applies to conventionally powered commercial vehicles.
This is thanks to a specific government derogation procedure intended to improve the appeal of alternatively fuelled light commercial vehicles"
Seems to suggest an additional 5 hours training will be required, (got to make money somewhere), and does not apply to M1 category (motorhomes) at present, but no doubt will be changed in the future.

Still a long way to go before we see a practical ev motorhome
 
Jim said:
I know that many of us will be able to hide our own easter eggs by 2030,
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Not heard that expression before, does it mean we will be dolally or that we are dead?
To answer your question, plan is to keep the van we have until we can no longer manage. There are plenty of 10 year older similar vans on the road now, so in 10 years time I would expect ours to be still ok.
Whenever we have to sell because of old age (we will be 85 and 83 then) we won’t really care about residual value, just sad at loss of way of life.
 
Brains said:
need to make some large changes in design to cater for the space for the batteries
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There is a lot of wasted space under most vans. If you consider too removal of the entire drive train including, possibly, the rear axle then the hab section overall design wouldn't need to change much.
 
Jim said:
I don't think there will be an issue for cars or charge points, there will be plenty of both.

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Suitable vans to convert into motorhomes for those stuck at :h:.5t who want range and payload, well thats another issue altogether.
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Hmmmm....
At the moment there are approx 40 million cars, 3.9 million vans 2.4 million bikes and 1.1 million lorries
There are only 8,400 gas stations with an average of 5 pumps making 42400 places to fill up
There are already almost as many publicly available charge points around, however the figures are misleading in that it takes MUCH longer to charge a vehicle than to fill it up, and more importantly the average ice car needs feeding every 250 miles, while ( at the moment ) an EV requires feeding every 125 miles, thereby requiring twice as many opportunities to fill up than an IC vehicle

AND............
more than 85% of those EV points are within cities.

I can only take Thetford as an example.
A ( VERY ) quick head count of actual pumps comes to 60ish
Charging points listed IN thetford number are 9, 2 of those although listed as public are not really ( they are located inside a car sales place ) and three have been out of commission more often than working
This only leaves 2 points each with 2 charge leads which are

2 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)
2 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)

located on the A134 Bury Rd at the Harvester garage


For folk like me I could proly charge mine up from a couple of solar panels as I use the car so rarely ( I think I have put petrol in only 3 times since last Christmas ) but for others I believe the charging network has a long was to go.. Which no doubt it will if firms see a profit

That leads to a whole new can of worms though

WILL firms consider it worth while fiscally to install charge points as at the moment, under british law and legislation it is illegal to charge more for electricity than the supplying company, so all that can be legally charged is a fee for using the charge point
I do not know the figures but suspect there is a lot less profit in it than supplying petrol !
 
Jaws said:
WILL firms consider it worth while fiscally to install charge points as at the moment, under british law and legislation it is illegal to charge more for electricity than the supplying company, so all that can be legally charged is a fee for using the charge point
I do not know the figures but suspect there is a lot less profit in it than supplying petrol !
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They'll copy the CMC and charge for parking at the charge point - with electricity thrown in.
 
Battery powered cars ten years ago :( and today so what will the tech be like in ten years advances every day in motors and battery's
My son has just driven one from doncaster to goole to st Andrews on one charge battery was almost gone but he done it :)
bill

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And another thing will the economy recovered enough or will it be extend it to get maximum fuel duty
bill
 
Stacetop said:
The majority of cars seem to park on the road over night how are they going to be charged?
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You may be surprised to know that;

The majority (it's roughly 60:40) of UK dwellings have off street parking. But it gets better. Those who don't drive cars are over-represented in the dwellings with no car parking. PWC recently estimated that a stunning 84% of UK drivers have access to off-street parking at home.
Source: PWC (link is currently down sorry).

So a majority of car owners 84% have off road parking. I don't think the situation is as bad as people think on this front.
 
I can’t imagine that the Government & local authorities will allow every vehicle to have a charging point of its own. Not everyone has a garden or driveway, so how are they going to provide enough charging points? E.g will it be one charging point does 4 vehicles?
I have visions of trailing cables all over the streets 😂. Not very pedestrian friendly or safe.

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