10 Year LPG bottle/tank information

[Basildog]

I have a 1500 litre tank in the garden and I often wonder if the owner of the tank and therefore supplier of gas is playing by the rules. It’s now 25 years old and has only ever been looked at by the delivery driver, it has certainly never been tested in any way. I did receive notification that it’s due to be changed this year though.

I am not completely sure regarding fixed bulk tanks but I do know that ours is checked annually.
At 10 years they carried out an in situ inspection and ultrasonic test I believe, they also changed the PRV , it was replaced with a brand new tank last year as it was over 20 years.
My understanding is that it now has to be completely stripped and examined, if satisfactory it can be put back into service.

 

[bobandjanie]

We were obviously lucky to get our gas bottle refurbished at the cost of €74.50 for new valves test and labour, or is it better to give you a discount on a new one ?

I wonder how many of these very good condition bottles go out the back door of the recycling centre if they get that far. Bob.

Refillable gas bottle good for another 10 years. 😎

We decided back in 2007 refillable gas bottles were the way to go, and decided on two 11kg gaslow bottles, but in 2010 Theonlysue Sue got some aluminium ones so I just had to have those being half the weight, so sold the gaslow and got aluminium 11kg from gas it. 🙂 Well 10 years on we...

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[cyberyacht]

Got to change mint this year before we go abroad As anyone tried the new lightweight plastic ones

I've got a couple of Safefill composite cylinders in my van which I've had for about seven years. They are single inlet/outlet POL connection. Another composite brand "GasBank" have a separate inlet and outlet and can therefore be plumbed to a remote filler in the van sill like Gaslow or Alugas.

 

[BOWHOUSE52]

We re not, we have a properly constructed motorhome 8.5t and what looks to be a properly fitted substantial tank. Yet its being suggested that we are to constrained by the same rules as somebody that has fitted their own tank from ebay.

And they are made in poland because they are the best welders? I bet plenty are also made in China, the well known purveyor of quality construction!

L see

I've got a couple of Safefill composite cylinders in my van which I've had for about seven years. They are single inlet/outlet POL connection. Another composite brand "GasBank" have a separate inlet and outlet and can therefore be plumbed to a remote filler in the van sill like Gaslow or Alugas.

Hi how have you found those composite bottles

 

[gus-lopez]

One of my Cepsa cylinders we have here in Spain for Domestic use and gets swapped on a regular basis has a date stamp on its base..08/2006..

Is that the top quality guaranteed one we exchanged the other day?

For Christ's sake you are sleeping on top of a potential bomb surely you want to be safe.

I watched an excellent solar powered Lifepo6 install last night & when the commented on how thorough he was doing the install ( & he had done their complete off grid install as well previously) the bloke doing it replied " it needs to be ,remember you are sleeping above a bomb"

Cars explode and set on fire but you wouldn’t say” Change your car every 10 years no leeway that’s the new rule/law”

Which got me wondering about all the new lpg powered vehicles ? Do they need tanks changed /tested at 10 years? if so who does it or is the car scrap?

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[cyberyacht]

Hi how have you found those composite bottles

Fine. Just shine a torch through to see the gas level. Only downside is if garages are twitchy about filling direct to the bottle rather than through a socket in the sill. Have rarely had that issue though. Just find somewhere else. Basically they are a direct replacement for a Calor propane from an installation point of view. Some have fabricated a remote fill but it does require a stopcock between the POL fitting and the hose and is also not a recommended practice as the hose will have liquid LPG in it with the attendant hazard that creates. As Harry Callagham said "Do ya feel lucky?"

 

[Barriesimpson]

Fine. Just shine a torch through to see the gas level. Only downside is if garages are twitchy about filling direct to the bottle rather than through a socket in the sill. Have rarely had that issue though. Just find somewhere else. Basically they are a direct replacement for a Calor propane from an installation point of view. Some have fabricated a remote fill but it does require a stopcock between the POL fitting and the hose and is also not a recommended practice as the hose will have liquid LPG in it with the attendant hazard that creates. As Harry Callagham said "Do ya feel lucky?"

Mine fill through a filling point that I have next to the diesel and addBlue fillers. When I disconnect after filling, any gas left in the pipe up to the valve is spat out (be ready for that, it's quite loud and surprises me every time ) so no gas left in the pipe.

 

[DABurleigh]

Fine. Just shine a torch through to see the gas level. Only downside is if garages are twitchy about filling direct to the bottle rather than through a socket in the sill. Have rarely had that issue though. Just find somewhere else. Basically they are a direct replacement for a Calor propane from an installation point of view. Some have fabricated a remote fill but it does require a stopcock between the POL fitting and the hose and is also not a recommended practice as the hose will have liquid LPG in it with the attendant hazard that creates. As Harry Callagham said "Do ya feel lucky?"

Isn't that the same for a Gaslow remote fill? I had a 100% Gaslow fitting some years ago with a tiny leak JUST on/after filling. With some extra ventilation it dissipated in a few minutes and that was it until the next fill. There seem many NRVs in a gas system. You make me wonder whether it was a feature rather than a bug

Dave

 

[cyberyacht]

There's quite a difference between the small amount released from the connection and letting a whole hoseful escape.

 

[Barriesimpson]

There's quite a difference between the small amount released from the connection and letting a whole hoseful escape.

No, it's just a wee bit. The hose is at most 1.5M and at that pressure it's gone almost immediately. Just don't be smoking when it happens.

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[Pausim]

I found a lot of liquid gas was trapped in the pipe between the valve in the filling point and the 80% fill valve on the cylinder. On my first fill after installation I could smell a small leak and it was very obvious that there was liquid gas trapped in the pipe. I soon sorted out the leak with a bit more tightening. The spit back when the filler nozzle is released is just the small amount in the end of the nozzle, not a pipe full. The pipe full should find it’s way into the bottle as the gas is drawn off in normal use after the 80% valve reopens.

 

[Basildog]

No, it's just a wee bit. The hose is at most 1.5M and at that pressure it's gone almost immediately. Just don't be smoking when it happens.

I would be extremely surprised if anyone was actually stupid enough to fit a filling system that would allow a 1.5 metre hose full of liquid state LPG escape .
Your filler point should have NRV in it .
There’s actually set limits in the standards about maximum permitted discharge when removing a filling gun .
That’s why we don’t like the filters that are available as they increase the discharge volume.

 

[jumar]

Is that the top quality guaranteed one we exchanged the other day?

I watched an excellent solar powered Lifepo6 install last night & when the commented on how thorough he was doing the install ( & he had done their complete off grid install as well previously) the bloke doing it replied " it needs to be ,remember you are sleeping above a bomb"

Which got me wondering about all the new lpg powered vehicles ? Do they need tanks changed /tested at 10 years? if so who does it or is the car scrap?

Yes Richard...the one we swapped...but it has remained on my patio and will be swapped in due course...I may not put it in the camper because Lenny is quite concerned about our welfare...very kind and considerate...

 

[Barriesimpson]

I would be extremely surprised if anyone was actually stupid enough to fit a filling system that would allow a 1.5 metre hose full of liquid state LPG escape .
Your filler point should have NRV in it .
There’s actually set limits in the standards about maximum permitted discharge when removing a filling gun .
That’s why we don’t like the filters that are available as they increase the discharge volume.

I'm sure it does. I was just trying to calm people down as it seems they think the van will blow up every time they fill it. But then again, as my installation was done in Spain by a Spanish company, according to a few 'experts' here it is not fit for purpose and I will die shortly in a gas explosion.

 

[Lenny HB]

We were obviously lucky to get our gas bottle refurbished at the cost of €74.50 for new valves test and labour, or is it better to give you a discount on a new one ?

I thought it was €174 you paid.
Alugas now only do exchange for new cost me €215 for each bottle last September. They charge the same price for 11kg and 14kg, I have 14kg bottles so I got the best deal.

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[Lenny HB]

We were obviously lucky to get our gas bottle refurbished at the cost of €74.50 for new valves test and labour, or is it better to give you a discount on a new one ?

I thought it was €174 you paid.
Alugas now only do exchange for new cost me €215 for each bottle last September. They charge the same price for 11kg and 14kg, I have 14kg bottle so I got the best deal.

 

[Lenny HB]

If you protect your tank with spray it will last 20 years just like our tanks in use do” So the producer/retailer was having tanks in use 20 years

Even if that is the case the valves still need replacing at 10 years and there is no one in the UK that will re-valve a tank.