no tax no mot no insurance

[pappajohn]

If the vehicle is being used it is the police responsibility if it has been dumped it is the council. As you have tried both these routes your next step should be to write to the chief constable, then your police commissioner and then finally your M.P. and explain that none of those departments are doing the job that they are paid to do.

Spongy

But as they are allegedly untaxed, uninsured and no MOT it is the joint responsibility of the police and DVLA.

 

[tick59]

Do the cars actually cause YOU any problems?

JJ

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Yes my drive is partially blocked and we have to be careful when pulling off the drive as one of the vehicles is a transit type tipper and it is hard to see round.

 

[tick59]

Last resort... The council will remove.

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Thought of that one pappajohn a bit to close to my property for comfort.

 

[swidy]

Got two vehicles parked outside my door owned by the bloke oppisite me. Gypsie family how do you get these vehicles moved one has been there since August 2018. DVLA dont whant to k no Police are not interested and council dont care. So how the hell do you get these vehicles moved. He uses one every day for the school run and carries a new born baby, daughter and wife in the car and nothing is done.

Only DVLA deal with car tax but not very well,
Council only can deal if vehicle is abandoned,
Police deal with MOT but only if vehicle is stopped while being driven same with insurance.
The best thing to do is ring 101 every time you see the vehicle being driver and make sure you get a log number each time, if nothing is done you then have something to take to your MP.

How do you know he has no insurance ?

 

[MattR]

Thought of that one pappajohn a bit to close to my property for comfort.

I would guess that your neighbour wouldn't care how close your car is to your house when it is torched in retaliation

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[davebav]

Befriend him. Have regular chats. Develop mutual empathy. Explain it's a bit tight getting out of your space in the spirit of friendship. You may be surprised at how positively things work out. Regarding the tax and insurance? As a citizen you have reported your concerns but beyond that you are not a law enforcement officer. Don't get sacked into a non resolvable escalating neighbourhood dispute where you suffer mutual problems and worries or worse. Chill. Life's too short.

 

[pappajohn]

Police deal with MOT but only if vehicle is stopped while being driven same with insurance.

You are committing an offence if a vehicle is KEPT OR USED on a public road without insurance.
If the vehicle is untaxed it MUST BE REGISTERED SORN and kept OFF THE ROAD until taxed. It doesn't have to be insured while OFF THE ROAD.

No insurance is a criminal offence (fine, points, ban, imprisonment)
No MOT is a moving traffic offence (a fine and points)
No tax is a civil offence (a penalty charge plus back duty)

 

[Northernraider]

Have another beer and close the blinds

 

[Chris]

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[davebav]

I'm in my mid 60's and did 15 years in the Army. But the best battle is one you don't have to fight.

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[Minxy]

My advice ... move off the gypsy site!

 

[busby]

Around here they are clamping anything that isn’t taxed.

If I were you I would write to the Chief Constable of the police complaining about the local police stations lack of activity and making it clear that he is driving this vehicle daily even with children travelling in it. Say how disgusted you are etc and that you are surprised that the police have such a relaxed attitude to the health and safety of the general public.

Because of the way society is these days he ( or she) will act upon it because his/her head will be on the block if anything bad happens.

Tell them you think he is drink driving,,something will happen then,,BUSBY.

 

[buttons]

How do you know they are not insured, I'm guessing but they sound perfectly legal to be parked on the road to me.

 

[Minxy]

How do you know they are not insured, I'm guessing but they sound perfectly legal to be parked on the road to me.

No tax ... not legal.

 

[Ninovan]

How do you know they are not insured, I'm guessing but they sound perfectly legal to be parked on the road to me.

Ask mid - easy to check on the insurance database.
https://ownvehicle.askmid.com

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[buttons]

Sounds like a snoops charter, why on earth would anyone feel the need check on the full details of a car legally parked outside the house on a public road. You could always go the full distance an carry out a citizens arrest. The mind boggles….

 

[Charlie123]

Sounds like a snoops charter, why on earth would anyone feel the need check on the full details of a car legally parked outside the house on a public road. You could always go the full distance an carry out a citizens arrest. The mind boggles….

A situation may arise like this one so why not ??

Or you could be in an RTC and be wondering if the other party has insurance ? Perhaps a person who is or seems reluctant to give full details.

On topic. Quite a few police forces operate a don’t bother policy when it comes to prosecuting travellers. They just don’t want the agg. Plus they move on and become untraceable. But in this case the people live in a fixed abode so surely the authorities must react ?

The fact remains though taking on some of these folk will bring nothing but strife.

 

[David and Sally]

Sounds like a snoops charter, why on earth would anyone feel the need check on the full details of a car legally parked outside the house on a public road. You could always go the full distance an carry out a citizens arrest. The mind boggles….

Because they appear not to be legally parked. No insurance, MOT or tax, so illegal.

We need more snoops to inform the authorities when things are illegal. Whether or not they will do anything is another matter.

Citizen's arrests are also another matter. Only legal in certain circumstances and not in this case.

 

[chaser]

Sounds like a snoops charter, why on earth would anyone feel the need check on the full details of a car legally parked outside the house on a public road. You could always go the full distance an carry out a citizens arrest. The mind boggles….

why cant people just leave other people alone, it must be hell living in these sort of places, towns i suppose, when reading these sort of threads it makes me realise how lucky we are living in the country, where you can just leave your motor where you like without anyone reporting it or parking notices within 5 miles.
admitidly the op doesnt say what sort of problem it is causing other than the fact that the motors are parked, if he cant get out or something , thats a different matter.

 

[tonyidle]

Sounds like a snoops charter, why on earth would anyone feel the need check on the full details of a car legally parked outside the house on a public road. You could always go the full distance an carry out a citizens arrest. The mind boggles….

So you don't mind paying for his insurance and Road Tax? If he's prepared to run a vehicle in that condition what other laws is he breaking? I'd have no hesitation whatever in reporting an illegal vehicle. I did it with one parked outside our house for a month which cost the owner dearly. He had no Driving Licence either.

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[JJ]

We need more snoops to inform the authorities when things are illegal.

My people tell me they did that in East Germany a little while back...


JJ

 

[David and Sally]

My people tell me they did that in East Germany a little while back...


JJ

That was rather different. That was not the population looking after itself, it was state-sponsored suppression. Completely different.

One scenario with this guy. He drives off, no tax, licence, mot, insurance and smashes into your car seriously hurting someone. Are you now happy no-one has tried to inform on his illegal activities or are you furious he's driving illegally?

Illegal is illegal. Not only that, these vehicles quite quicky become an eyesore as they rot away. They need towing away pdq.

 

[buttons]

So you don't mind paying for his insurance and Road Tax? If he's prepared to run a vehicle in that condition what other laws is he breaking? I'd have no hesitation whatever in reporting an illegal vehicle. I did it with one parked outside our house for a month which cost the owner dearly. He had no Driving Licence either.

Must have made you very proud tony. It is bad enough with private company's profiting from parking and many other motoring offences without public do gooder's getting involved..

 

[David and Sally]

without public do gooder's getting involved..

I assume you would not thank a public do-gooder who rang the police if your house was being broken into.

 

[chaser]

That was rather different. That was not the population looking after itself, it was state-sponsored suppression. Completely different.

One scenario with this guy. He drives off, no tax, licence, mot, insurance and smashes into your car seriously hurting someone. Are you now happy no-one has tried to inform on his illegal activities or are you furious he's driving illegally?

Illegal is illegal. Not only that, these vehicles quite quicky become an eyesore as they rot away. They need towing away pdq.

even with all his reporting , have they been shifted?

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[buttons]

I assume you would not thank a public do-gooder who rang the police if your house was being broken into.

If I see a shop lifter which I do from time to time I wouldn't dream of interfering it is up to the shop to monitor security not the customers. Same with my home, It is very secure and well insured.

 

[buttons]

even with all his reporting , have they been shifted?

My guess is they are possibly legally parked with tax and insurance. No other reason why they wouldn't have been moved by now. It was said that one of the cars was regularly moved. Why not just park in the space while they are away if this is all they request..

 

[David and Sally]

Same with my home, It is very secure and well insured.

You beat me into submission. We all have to spend a fortune protecting our property from criminals and you are not happy about people helping to reduce crime by informing, and just letting criminals get on with their work.

No chance of the loacl Neighbourhood Watch asking you to help out then?

 

[Minxy]

admitidly the op doesnt say what sort of problem it is causing other than the fact that the motors are parked, if he cant get out or something , thats a different matter.

He said it does cause difficulty for him in a subsequent post.

 

[JJ]

That was rather different.

If you say so, fair enough... I am afraid I don't agree.

One scenario with this guy. He drives off, no tax, licence, mot, insurance and smashes into your car seriously hurting someone. Are you now happy no-one has tried to inform on his illegal activities or are you furious he's driving illegally?

To be frank, this is a scenario that is so unlikely to happen that I don't spend any time considering it.

Has it happened to you?

I assume you would not thank a public do-gooder who rang the police if your house was being broken into.

I don't see the connection... breaking into my house would (if I had one) directly affect me. A non taxed car parked outside wouldn't.

We all have to spend a fortune protecting our property from criminals

I haven't spent one penny protecting my flat from criminals.


As a society, we ask the police to uphold the law. The days of "hue and cry" are long, long gone. The thought of encouraging the general population to "report" people to the authorities fills me with horror.

I am not a "Grass". Encouraging me to be one would be a time waster...


JJ

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