Winter--to Sorn or not to Sorn ?

[Lenny HB]

Rubbish, my track/road car cannot be driven unless the engine temperature reaches 40 degrees even then it is best to leave it until 70 degrees. Modern oils really do protect the engine. How many people just start thier cars and jack off down the road before the engine gets warm! And the latter is more likely to cause some mechanical wear.

Diesels should always we driven straight off left ticking over they never get up to operating temperature.

 

[Coolcats]

Diesels should always we driven straight off left ticking over they never get up to operating temperature.

I’d wager an LMP does

 

[Lenny HB]

I’d wager an LMP does

?

 

[Speve]

I’d wager an LMP does

What’s an LMP please?

 

[the1andonly]

Is there a class for motorhomes at the lemans 24hr ?
Apples with apples please

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[busby]

Rubbish, my track/road car cannot be driven unless the engine temperature reaches 40 degrees even then it is best to leave it until 70 degrees. Modern oils really do protect the engine. How many people just start thier cars and jack off down the road before the engine gets warm! And the latter is more likely to cause some mechanical wear.

Exactly,,modern engines and oils are designed to start and drive straight off,,that's why starting it up in a yard and letting it warm up on tick over or just revving it does them no good at all. BUSBY.

 

[Speve]

I take it then that an LMP is some sort of high performance race car? If so no comparison.?

 

[Coolcats]

Exactly,,modern engines and oils are designed to start and drive straight off,,that's why starting it up in a yard and letting it warm up on tick over or just revving it does them no good at all. BUSBY.

No, you do not understand some engines cannot be driven straight off.they have to run to Normal operating temperature then driven.

 

[Coolcats]

I take it then that an LMP is some sort of high performance race car? If so no comparison.?

Indeed therefore it’s context and not uniform rules

 

[Speve]

Indeed therefore it’s context and not uniform rules

Surely the context is a diesel van engine not tuned and set up for racing so your suggestion about a race car is not in context or relevant to the discussion.?

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[Littlewheels]

Warming engine up without driving it will do more harm than good..It takes too long and all that cold oil is being pumped around a cold engine for too long.You would do less harm not starting it at all.BUSBY.

Absolutely, and if the engine doesn’t get upto temperature and the higher revs to achieve this efficiently all you are doing is clogging up th Particulate Filter that will open an whole new can of worms and expense along with limp mode ....... this experience you don’t want, use an engine or simply rest it.

 

[Richard n Ann]

Speaking of petrol engines. Didn't run the Scooter for a year once

Started ok (after a slightly longer cranking period) and been ok since.

 

[busby]

No, you do not understand some engines cannot be driven straight off.they have to run to Normal operating temperature then driven.

Some engines probably but not engines in mass produced commercial vans nor normal family cars.BUSBY.

 

[Coolcats]

Some engines probably but not engines in mass produced commercial vans nor normal family cars.BUSBY.

Mine is a normal engine, its mass produced but its just tuned a bit or should I say a lot

 

[Chris51]

No, you do not understand some engines cannot be driven straight off.they have to run to Normal operating temperature then driven.

Come on whats an LMP ?

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[Coolcats]

Come on whats an LMP ?

Le Mans Prototype but there are many examples

 

[Speve]

Come on whats an LMP ?

I’ve discovered there is Le Mans Prototype custom built car intended for racing and endurance racing.
Cool cats didn’t want to let on his argument was flawed.he must have been posting at the same time?

 

[pelican]

All comments about little or no use make sense when vehicle is laid up for a few months. Unfortunately, my SORNED vehicle is on a storage compound so cannot be driven on public roads, which is why I choose to drive around the compound every month or so, not ideal but the engine does get up to temperature. Do I really need to drive 15 or 20 miles on public roads to do the same job?

Thought that was why it had thermostat

 

[Coolcats]

I’ve discovered there is Le Mans Prototype custom built car intended for racing and endurance racing.
Cool cats didn’t want to let on his argument was flawed.he must have been posting at the same time?

its not flawed its about context, an engine does not have to be as extreme as an LMP but no harm is actually done if an engine is brought up to Normal operating temperature on any vehicle, its more myth that its 'bad', there are many engines that power a generator that do not drive anywhere but are perfectly fine.

 

[h1ghway1]

I run mine every week for over 20 miles and I'm out in it for about an hour... I also go away maybe just for a night at least once a month November to February .. then more frequently and slightly longer trips ...its an expensive bit off hardware to be sat doing nothing ...IMHO

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[mikeandmary]

What I like about this forum is all the positives you can take away from it. My circumstances dictate that my vehicle is laid up for three or four months over winter period. In future, I shall continue to sorn from December onwards for however many months we decide. I shall continue with storage site, maintain both batteries at home, continue monthly visits to storage site to make sure everything’s in order but, under no circumstances, will I start the vehicle. Thank you all.

 

[busby]

What I like about this forum is all the positives you can take away from it. My circumstances dictate that my vehihcle is laid up for three or four months over winter period. In future, I shall continue to sorn from December onwards for however many months we decide. I shall continue with storage site, maintain both batteries at home, continue monthly visits to storage site to make sure everything’s in order but, under no circumstances, will I start the vehicle. Thank you all.

I bought a car years ago that had been stored in a garage for 12 years.Other than having it turned over with the starting handle every couple of months it was never fired up in that time.Put a new battery and fuel pump on it and it fired up easily and ran as smooth as silk.Oh for simple mechanics..BUSBY.

 

[WESTY66]

Used to be said that CAT used to recommend idling from start up till warm as it gets the gaskets up to an even temp with the engine. This is of course for older CAT engines, I used to warm my CAT 3408 Engined Rigid Dumptruck up for around 15-20 mins in my yoof (back then it was more to do with getting heater warm in winter) and god help us if we shut it down less than 5 mins after parking it up (hot turbos) we got a right rollicking!!?

 

[gus-lopez]

Thought that was why it had thermostat

Yes but many ,including my transit, will never attain normal operating temerature just idling. At one time Fords even used to make a point of it in the handbook that the engine required 11 miles ,being driven, to attain normal operating temperature.

 

[wiljoy]

Always sorn while away for the winter. As soon as I arrive on site in Spain it's tax off.

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[gus-lopez]

Always sorn while away for the winter. As soon as I arrive on site in Spain it's tax off.

I'd take that off an open forum if I were you as it is totally illegal to do . You can only sorn a Uk registered vehicle in the UK. If something happened to the van, someone hits it, fire ,etc; you wil not be insured.

 

[busby]

I'd take that off an open forum if I were you as it is totally illegal to do . You can only sorn a Uk registered vehicle in the UK. If something happened to the van, someone hits it, fire ,etc; you wil not be insured.

The risks that people take to safe roughly the price of a cup of Starbucks Coffee a week, the mind boggles.BUSBY.?

 

[Lenny HB]

Always sorn while away for the winter. As soon as I arrive on site in Spain it's tax off.

Illegal to sorn a vehicle that is outside of the UK so it will invalidate your insurance.

Edit:
Gus beat me to it.

 

[wiljoy]

Illegal to sorn a vehicle that is outside of the UK so it will invalidate your insurance.

Edit:
Gus beat me to it.

Looks like we have several hardy criminals out here. How dare they sorn there vehicles whilst they are off the road.
Advice from insurers appears to conflict.

 

[spitfire]

Looks like we have several hardy criminals out here. How dare they sorn there vehicles whilst they are off the road.
Advice from insurers appears to conflict.

Your vehicle must stay in the UK for your SORN to be valid. Find out what you need to do if you’re taking a vehicle out of the UK.

Directly from DVLA site
Very easy to check on line the status of any vehicle. SORNed , MOT etc

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