Where to put an external LPG filler

[Lenny HB]

Put mine on the gas locker door. that way if I messed up its cheeper to buy a door than a side
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Really bad practice not recommend.

 

[Russ N Tracey]

Why?? it was recommended to me by Gaslow

 

[Lenny HB]

Why?? it was recommended to me by Gaslow

They say not to do now, dangerous practice.
Problem is the hoses flex every time you open the door and never do it with stainless hoses they are not designed to be moved.

 

[Lenny HB]

StillGoing stayed for lunch so took some pics. Where the hose goes though the shelf below the locker I filled in around the hose with some foam board.

Dealer changed the bottles over from the last van, I thought yeaks what's he done but then I looked underneath and saw why because of the chassis members.
Been there 6½ years now so a bit mucky.

 

[ChrisL]

They say not to do now, dangerous practice.
Problem is the hoses flex every time you open the door and never do it with stainless hoses they are not designed to be moved.

Do you mean the armoured hose that gaslow supply? Ofcourse it is designed to be moved, it is rubber pipe with a braid to stop chaffing which can occur when pipes move.

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[Lenny HB]

Do you mean the armoured hose that gaslow supply? Ofcourse it is designed to be moved, it is rubber pipe with a braid to stop chaffing which can occur when pipes move.

It's not a rubber pipe inner and outer are steel, it's fine to bend onto position when fitting but not designed to be constantly moved.

 

[ChrisL]

It's not a rubber pipe inner and outer are steel, it's fine to bend onto position when fitting but not designed to be constantly moved.

That's different to what's fitted to mine, mine is totally flexible.

 

[Pablo19]

In our last MH which I fitted the Gas it to myself I put a filler in the locker and didn't have any issues filling. On my current van there was already a filler in the door so although I wouldn't do that myself I didn't see any point in fitting a second filler so use that and it's been fine so far. I don't have the metal gaslow hoses though and keep a close watch on the hose as best as I can. I also don't put anything else in that locker so there is no resistance or pressure on the hose when I close the door.

 

[Lenny HB]

That's different to what's fitted to mine, mine is totally flexible.

Probably why they changed their advice but I still think it is bad practice and I would never do it.

 

[StillGoing]

Put mine on the gas locker door. that way if I messed up its cheeper to buy a door than a side
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Was the vent in the door a factory fit or did you add it?

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[ChrisL]

Probably why they changed their advice but I still think it is bad practice and I would never do it.

If you look at the pdf with fitting instructions from 2014 onwards, you will see the filler hose coiled up and tucked over itself so it can't un coil this is how it is supplied, not something you would do to a semi flexible hose I would think.

 

[Brains]

For a long time I’ve been considering installing refillable LPG. The problem I have is where to put the filler point.

The gas locker is surrounded by other compartments. Below is the garage, above/behind is a cupboard in the bedroom, to the left is the bathroom and to the right is the garage.

I don’t want to put the filler in the door but I’m not sure of any other options. The older versions of my moho had the LPG in the garage so you could put the filler in the outside wall. I think Hymer changed the design to make it easier to access the cylinders.

Has anyone with a Hymer Exsis-t put in refillable LPG?

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I have a very similar Hymer MLT.
My Gaslow system was professionally fitted by VanBitz
They also had problems finding a suitable place to put the fill point and eventually chose the top left (hinge) side of the locker door.
There is a stainless steel flexible hose on the inside.
It seems like a good solution and no problems since it was done 3 years ago.

 

[Lenny HB]

If you look at the pdf with fitting instructions from 2014 onwards, you will see the filler hose coiled up and tucked over itself so it can't un coil this is how it is supplied, not something you would do to a semi flexible hose I would think.

From Gaslow fitting instructions.

 

[StillGoing]

StillGoing stayed for lunch so took some pics. Where the hose goes though the shelf below the locker I filled in around the hose with some foam board.

Dealer changed the bottles over from the last van, I thought yeaks what's he done but then I looked underneath and saw why because of the chassis members.
Been there 6½ years now so a bit mucky.

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I think that’s going to be my best option - go straight down from the gas locker into the garage shelf below and box in the hose so any leaks can’t get into the garage. The hose will then come out underneath the Moho on the correct side of the chassis beam.

 

[ChrisL]

From Gaslow fitting instructions.

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What about the bit just above that

It is absolutely critical that the hose is free from stress. The door should be able to close naturally at all times. To avoid stress and strain on the hose, we recommend using the 01-4210 (90 degree fill adapter) which will allow the hose to fold back naturally with the fold of the door (see below left). NB. By aiming the adapter at an inclined angle above the horizontal, the hose can clear the top of the cylinders. 01-4210 Right Angled Adapter

I do have the right angled adapter.

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[BILL 875]

Hi, I fitted mine in the locker 7 years ago and several garages have filled the bottles for me in spain and uk and had no problems anywhere. Bill.

 

[StillGoing]

Here is the full document from Gaslow.

 

[Lenny HB]

What about the bit just above that

It is absolutely critical that the hose is free from stress. The door should be able to close naturally at all times. To avoid stress and strain on the hose, we recommend using the 01-4210 (90 degree fill adapter) which will allow the hose to fold back naturally with the fold of the door (see below left). NB. By aiming the adapter at an inclined angle above the horizontal, the hose can clear the top of the cylinders. 01-4210 Right Angled Adapter

I do have the right angled adapter.

My final comment on this, it's flipping dangerous and should never be done.

 

[Orion]

I think that’s going to be my best option - go straight down from the gas locker into the garage shelf below and box in the hose so any leaks can’t get into the garage. The hose will then come out underneath the Moho on the correct side of the chassis beam.

Drill oversized if you can and run it in flxible conduit as far as possible to the rear of the filling point. It’ll then be protected externally and isolated from the garage area. Clip it up securely where possible.

 

[StillGoing]

My final comment on this, it's flipping dangerous and should never be done.

I don’t want to put mine in the door. I think given how awkward my installation is going to be, I’m going to leave it to someone who is suitably qualified.

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[ChrisL]

My final comment on this, it's flipping dangerous and should never be done.

The instructions show the correct way to fit the filler to a door and the incorrect way, for some reason you have chosen to read that as fitting it to a door is bad practise, it is not bad practise, fitting it without the 90° adapter so that there is stress on the hose and it's connection to the fill connector is bad practise. If Gaslow stated don't fit the filler in the door under any circumstances, then I would agree with you.

 

[Brains]

I don’t want to put mine in the door. I think given how awkward my installation is going to be, I’m going to leave it to someone who is suitably qualified.

VanBitz are suitably qualified.
Same set up as you.
It's fitted in the door.
AshVanBitz

They fitted top left so that the hose gets minimal movement every time the door is opened.

Other consideration of filler position.
Ideally, it should be on the same side as your fuel inlet.
The hight should be between knee and shoulder, ideally about waist height.
I've seen inlets fitted into the skirting, which other than he obvious issues with LPG pipes close to the ground means that to fill the tanks you need to on your knees on a filthy garage forecourt.

Don't be tempted to fit the filler point inside a locker, as I've seen attendants rush out to stop 'in locker' filling.
Gas vapour in enclosed spaces, and you are obviously not running the engine on LPG but using it for cooking.

In most countries (including the UK), LPG for domestic purposes (heating/cooking), is taxed at a different rate to LPG for vehicles.

Whilst the difference is not much, it means that technically a vehicle fuel station should not be selling LPG from a pump for domestic purposes. Hence we all 'should' be buying LPG from yacht marinas, builders yards and campsites.

 

[Clivefog]

Mine is on the door, hinge side, the hose moves yes but not a lot. Not my choice previous owner had it fitted. I open the door twice every trip to turn on gas and turn it off. While doing this I do a visual check and as I'm half in the locker a nose test as well. I've kept the in door filler as I only use that hose 2 or 3 times a year to fill up. While filling should the hose be ruptured you would see and hear the escaping gas. Once filled the hose is not used until the next filling, safely stored in a weather proof locker and not exposed to the elements as I've seen some fitted.

 

[GMLS]

They say not to do now, dangerous practice.
Problem is the hoses flex every time you open the door and never do it with stainless hoses they are not designed to be moved.

They provided advice on fitting to a door only 6 weeks ago and supplied the 90 degree fitting referenced.

 

[StillGoing]

Thank you to everyone for your valuable input. I think my choices are going to be (in no particular order):

1. Fit an under slung tank and free up a locker - could be expensive, need to check if there is space underneath the Moho.

2. Down through the locker into the garage shelf and come out in the triangle below the locker. Need to check what’s required from a gas safety perspective if going into the garage

3. Fit it in the door.

I‘m going off the skirt idea just because it’s so low down.

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[tonyidle]

a lot of places will not allow you to fill , mines on the bumper any suggestions Basildog

Where are these lot of places? Most of the ones I've used don't leave the office to take a look.

 

[Nanniemate]

Where are these lot of places? Most of the ones I've used don't leave the office to take a look.

Bristol gas he told me make sure there an external fitting before I changed mine. And the one I filled at I Telford last week only fills external not bottles

 

[BILL 875]

Is the external filler conection not filling the same gas bottles ? Or do you mean a loose bottle in a car boot for example.

 

[vzac]

I would not put it in the locker, may have problems filling up if going abroad. Ours is here, not had any problems, in fact just filled up today in Sardinia, no questions asked ( can be difficult in Italy).

 

[Nanniemate]

Is the external filler conection not filling the same gas bottles ? Or do you mean a loose bottle in a car boot for example.

Nope it's filling bottles is the issue if it's an external attached to a vehicle it's automotive something to do with calor contracts

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