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dont know why its been registered like that, the original registration documents by the dealer will have given the original weights.Can anyone help me understand this?
When we purchased our van the V5 stated mass in service 3060kg giving me 440kg payload, yet
the sales brochure advertises a payload of 600kg (and still does on this years model) the same as the salesman told us and the same figures are on the swift website! I'm still baffled.
They make it up as they go along.Can anyone help me understand this?
When we purchased our van the V5 stated mass in service 3060kg giving me 440kg payload, yet
the sales brochure advertises a payload of 600kg (and still does on this years model) the same as the salesman told us and the same figures are on the swift website! I'm still baffled.
Drive it the local weighbridge - they will often do it for free. Then check your V5 and see what that particular vehicles maximum weight is. The difference between the two figures will be your payload or how much you can carry - including passengers and pets - and the kitchen sink.
It's very often 3500 Kg maximum
The actual weights used when registering it will have been taken off the COC from the manufacturer for YOUR own vehicle, not the brochure weights which are just a 'general' weight for those MH models. Did your MH have an additional 'pack' with it when made by the manufacturer such as 'media', 'comfort' or an engine upgrade, awning etc before it was delivered to the dealer? If it is put on by the manufacturer I believe the have to include it in the 'ex-factory' weight figure (ie mass in service) so that may be why your's is different to the brochure figure for a 'standard' non-accessorised MH.Can anyone help me understand this?
When we purchased our van the V5 stated mass in service 3060kg giving me 440kg payload, yet
the sales brochure advertises a payload of 600kg (and still does on this years model) the same as the salesman told us and the same figures are on the swift website! I'm still baffled.
The brochure with 600kg payload in it is for this van, it is a dealer special, with added extras, ie solar panel, leisure battery, wind out awning, alloy wheels, winter pack summer pack, etc, with upgraded trim.The actual weights used when registering it will have been taken off the COC from the manufacturer for YOUR own vehicle, not the brochure weights which are just a 'general' weight for those MH models. Did your MH have an additional 'pack' with it when made by the manufacturer such as 'media', 'comfort' or an engine upgrade, awning etc before it was delivered to the dealer? If it is put on by the manufacturer I believe the have to include it in the 'ex-factory' weight figure (ie mass in service) so that may be why your's is different to the brochure figure for a 'standard' non-accessorised MH.
in that case the last thing i would dump would be the contents of the thetford over everything elseIf your over the plated weights by (as been suggested above) 5% your likely to fined. Led to believe in parts of Europe if caught you unload stuff until your weight is ok and what's left on the roadside is a bonus for the inspection team. May or may not be true.
In which case it looks like the usual manufacturer 'massaging' the published weight again buy using their +/-5% margin on weights allowance.The brochure with 600kg payload in it is for this van, it is a dealer special, with added extras, ie solar panel, leisure battery, wind out awning, alloy wheels, winter pack summer pack, etc, with upgraded trim.
we took it to the weighbridge loaded with 60 kg of food and accessories, water tank full 100-liters fuel tank full 60-liters boiler carries 12 liters and 1x 11 1x 6 kg gas bottles both full and i fitted a spare wheel and carrier 30kg, then both of us 130kg. The front axle weight was 1820kg and back axle 1640kg leaving 40kg, still baffled.. lol
They lied. This year the MIRO in the brochure is 2924kg, they are allowed 5% which is 147kg. Add the two together you get 3089kg, so the 3060kg MIRO shown on your V5 is within the limit leaving you with a 440kg payload.Can anyone help me understand this?
When we purchased our van the V5 stated mass in service 3060kg giving me 440kg payload, yet
the sales brochure advertises a payload of 600kg (and still does on this years model) the same as the salesman told us and the same figures are on the swift website! I'm still baffled.
Wondered when that would be mentioned, very well done. I would add if o p is nearing 70 years old it's a good idea to be aware of medical requirements on renewal.You have to be careful to see what your driving licence allows you to drive. Depending on when you passed your test you may legally only be able to drive a fully loaded motorhome up to 3500kg. If it is plated above this and you don't have the appropriate licence, then you won't be insured either. There are different driving restrictions for vans over 3500kg.
"Mass in service" is often not filled in or is simply wrong. For example, according to my V5 my mass in service is the same as the Maximum permissible mass, so allegedly I have no payload at all! Even if somebody tries to fill it in correctly from the figures given by the converter, it is usually wildly optimistic (i.e. too low) and will ignore all the extras fitted on the vehicle. Mass in service is not shown on the plate attached to your vehicle.Your V5
It should show
Max permissible mass and Mass in service.
Payload is the difference.
You will also have a plate in your engine compartment or door opening from the converter detailng these and the max axle weights per axle.
Tech spec says MAM = 3500, MIRO quoted at 3125. But we want an awning, aircon (for the dog when in hot climes while we do non dog friendly things) Gaslow, solar panel.
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Suddenly realised that the 3125kg MIRO we'd seen in the brochure is WITHOUT any dealer factory fitted items or Buyer specified dealer fitted accessories.
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We thought the extras we wanted fitted to the van by the dealer would add say 100kg so looking at the 3500-(3125 +100) = 275kg payload. Nowhere near enough. Dealer said we can re-plate the van to 3850kg.
OK we said that leaves us circa 625Kg of payload.........
At plated MAM it was 50 kg under. At re-plated weight there would be 400kg of payload. BUT 1/2 tank fuel, NO water, No Bedding No Passengers, No food, No anything.
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To make matters worse the front axle only had 120kg of payload left, when you fill the fuel tank and the adblue, invite the better half and her handbag & of course the dog to accompany you, there is no payload left for anything else.
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Rejected it as unfit for purpose.
Now think a very good idea to get a weighbridge ticket before parting with any cash
I believe that, you can only claim on your credit card for goods costing over £100 - up to a maximum of £30,000! Outside of those figures you will not be covered, I'm afraid! I checked this with my bank last week.
I believe that, you can only claim on your credit card for goods costing over £100 - up to a maximum of £30,000! Outside of those figures you will not be covered, I'm afraid! I checked this with my bank last week.
that’s true but the OP said he was hoping to get his deposit back.... most likely more than £100 and hopefully, less than £30,000! It’s quite a wide scope.....?
AFAIK the CC regs won't help as the deposit was only part of the whole cost which will have been over £30,000, it doesn't make any difference even if the deposit was between £100 and £30,000 I'm afraid. The Sale of Goods act might be able to be brought to bear though, professional advice needed really.Yes, agree if only deposit paid.
There is currently no such allowance according to https://www.gov.uk/driving-licence-categoriesI believe the Transport Ministry recently said that if a van is electric it could be rated at 4000kgs and driven on a B licence. Apparently it's to make allowance for the battery weights. So if it's OK to make an allowance for battery weights why can't all campervans be rated at 4000kgs and driven on a B licence to make allowance for water tanks, gas tanks etc etc? Let's have all the experts views on this please.
Sales brochures are as reliable as quoted fuel consumption, they are fiction!Can anyone help me understand this?
When we purchased our van the V5 stated mass in service 3060kg giving me 440kg payload, yet
the sales brochure advertises a payload of 600kg (and still does on this years model) the same as the salesman told us and the same figures are on the swift website! I'm still baffled.
The front axle weight was 1820kg and back axle 1640kg leaving 40kg, still baffled.. lol