We haven't had W3W wars lately......

[bigwood]

Yet something else I seem to have missed. I used to struggle to teach people six figure grid references. Now it’s my turn to try and get a grip of this next bit of tech.
I know from my days doing breakdown work it could be a nightmare trying to find people. Rather than using the emergency phones on the motorways they would use there mobile phone. Knowing what motorway they were on would have helped. There’s a lot of difference between the the M18/ M180/M181 or the A180 let alone what direction they were travelling in. The motorway near Doncaster turned out to be the A1M on a few occasions.

 

[Coolcats]

It could only locate the car if the phone was in the car. It wasn’t. That’s my point. Yes the phone can be located but it cannot be used in emergency planning to locate access points or landing ares for helicopters or to send RV points. Only to locate the phone itself. It’s good but very, very limited in its application.

I am not disagreeing use a screwdriver to insert and remove a screw use a drill to make the hole. Use AML for the emergency call mapping software to review the terrain and Co ordinates for the location

 

[Coolcats]

It’s horses for courses!

I wouldn’t dial 999 because I have lost my car at the Merry Hill Shopping Centre

Some have and will

 

[Coolcats]

Yet something else I seem to have missed. I used to struggle to teach people six figure grid references. Now it’s my turn to try and get a grip of this next bit of tech.
I know from my days doing breakdown work it could be a nightmare trying to find people. Rather than using the emergency phones on the motorways they would use there mobile phone. Knowing what motorway they were on would have helped. There’s a lot of difference between the the M18/ M180/M181 or the A180 let alone what direction they were travelling in. The motorway near Doncaster turned out to be the A1M on a few occasions.

Times are a changing AML can be used to locate where they are call from neat eh once the breakdown services use it life will be so much simpler.

 

[Janine]

Times are a changing AML can be used to locate where they are call from neat eh once the breakdown services use it life will be so much simpler.

Aren’t there privacy implications if non-emergency services have access?

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[Coolcats]

Aren’t there privacy implications if non-emergency services have access?

Is a breakdown on a motorway an emergency, particularly if it’s a smart motorway. ? I don’t have an answe to that question but privacy seems to be eroded these days not saying it’s right but it’s a creeping nightmare.

 

[Coolcats]

a what ?

Something that works when there is a power cut. Old fashioned-out of fashion but reliable technology. Once the exchanges go it will be mobile Wi-Fi or and IP calls

 

[Tombola]

VOIP is poor from my experience

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I wouldn’t dial 999 because I have lost my car at the Merry Hill Shopping Centre

I bet that there are quite a few who did, though……….

 

[Coolcats]

VOIP is poor from my experience

Indeed it can be it needs a managed QOS network prioritising voice or the packets can arrive at different times and different order (jitter/delay) so hopefully when the network gets changed over the calls will be good. Many companies use VOIP these days but if they compress the packets too much you also get that poor quality sound.

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[Janine]

Indeed it can be it needs a managed QOS network prioritising voice or the packets can arrive at different times and different order (jitter/delay) so hopefully when the network gets changed over the calls will be good. Many companies use VOIP these days but if they compress the packets too much you also get that poor quality sound.

I had two very difficult VOIP calls this week with a techie from my internet service provider who admitted that he was having problems with his internet connection

 

[Tombola]

If you happen to be in the sea when calling for help the screen becomes difficult to use

yeah becasue Id be swimming ...you know trying to stay afloat

Plus the fact that you can be in a rip current and moving from a location quite fast

get away !!!!!!

quotes of the day them

the only problem with the screen will be I wont be able to see it because of all my sh*t surrounding it while Im sh***ting myself

what they need in this situation is a really really really long land line, that way they can call, or even pull themselves to shore

 

[Tombola]

Janine
see what you have started

 

[Janine]

Tombola And the title of the thread is …….?

I still think W3W has really good uses in non-emergency settings.

 

[Coolcats]

Janine
see what you have started

You may have noticed I have not really mentioned W3W

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[Coolcats]

yeah becasue Id be swimming ...you know trying to stay afloat


get away !!!!!!

quotes of the day them

the only problem with the screen will be I wont be able to see it because of all my sh*t surrounding it while Im sh***ting myself

what they need in this situation is a really really really long land line, that way they can call, or even pull themselves to shore

Like the lad in the video if you watched it he thought he was almost drowning not able to pronounce the town he was near so in that situation AML would help…..you dont even need to speak….

 

[Janine]

You may have noticed I have not really mentioned W3W

I do wonder why you are so vocal on a subject that you aren’t interested in….

 

[Revolvor]

I'm not qualified to discuss the pros and cons of the various systems used by emergency services for locating casualties, but I think people are fixating too much on them.

Emergencies aside, W3W has so many applications for everyday use. My daughter wanted to tell us where to pick up her daughter from her new school. She sent the W3W for the doorway she'd come out of. Meeting friends at an event - sent W3W address.

The possibilities are endless, as Janine posted originally!

 

[Grumpyfrog]

Personally I am all in favour of anything that makes my life safer and easier.
Having said that, I W3W on my phone and never used it!

 

[Jim]

Just think of W3W as a postcode for every 3sq m of land in the land. Then imagine how useful that can be.

Then if you like, you can use it, moan about it, compare it with chalk or cheese, say it's not needed, that the owners make money that there are better things to use. or not.

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[Coolcats]

I do wonder why you are so vocal on a subject that you aren’t interested in….

In part I can’t help myself taking an opposite view (still won’t use W3W). W3W did contact me regarding one of our businesses saying how great it would be to make it easier for people to find us…..Firstly no one has had an issue in finding the entrance, getting too us is another issue but w3w would not solve this Plus there is an assumption we want to be easily found which we do not. There are many companies that are the same.

Then there is the issue of being connected and aware in and of the world around us of being present.

This I fear is where our younger generation are heading with automation and AI.



And this is the trailer by dumbing down our abilities this is where we could land up (if global warming doesn’t get us first)

 

[Jim]

In part I can’t help myself taking an opposite view (still won’t use W3W).

Postcodes are a good idea though, you use those I'm sure.

 

[Coolcats]

Postcodes are a good idea though, you use those I'm sure.

I do not need an app for that

 

[Jim]

I do not need an app for that

You don't need a hat with them either. but what has that got to do with it.

 

[Tombola]

I do wonder why you are so vocal on a subject that you aren’t interested in….

and biased (not able to see both views) I notice glenn2926 mentioning how there was room/need for the 2
I see Coolcats not, but just dissing it (correct me if im wrong of course)
I see Coolcats comment about power cuts and mobiles not being useful ? my moblie will keep a charge easy 2 - 3 days, and Ive relied on it when my "land line" went down.... and even a landland that use remote base handsets will lose connection beacse they need 240v so uless you have one of the "telephone tables" sat right in the hallway next to the RJ11 insert then you probably are in the tiny minority who have a real landline.

Mobiles dont lose when the telegraph line goes down or cabinet fails, or as in my case the connector junction from the main pole line just before it enters the house gets water in it and is out 3 days.

w3w has its uses, very good uses in fact, to be blind to that is to be an ostrich, but is there room for the both or even all 3, probably...for now. There more ways to give lives a chance the better ....I do beleive the coast guard use it though?

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[chaser]

Don’t get angry or upset if you have not heard of it, it’s not my system. It was developed by BT and EE adopted by many other network operators it’s being deployed across Europe and many other countries. dial 999 or 112 your location is transmitted saving time no app is required. You should know that shock can occur with traumatic incidents and adds further delay so automatically sending your location has to be a positive thing and should the end to end process be automated then a simple phone call will provide the location emergency services can quickly be mobilised and the location placed on their mapping/guidance/location system reliably and quickly without a caller needing to use an app. That should be something to be applauded rather than argued against. the originator of an emergency call should not have to down load or open any app, as it will save lives.

Mate, you will never win on here about w3w, that's why I have steered clear of it.

 

[Jim]

I use w3w a lot, without an App

For example, we have tried every which way for people to tell us EXACTLY where they want to park motorhomes in their Aire planning exemption Application they make to us. They have used grid references, coordinates and long hand directions and sent us hand drawn maps. It was terrible. However since we incorporated W3W into the form with a link to a simple video how to use it, we get our 3 words and know exactly where to outline when we are talking to planning. Everyone gets it, it's working well. Also the planners are now asking for w3w, we provide it by way of a /// link, its awesome. Its just a postcode.

 

[Coolcats]

and biased (not able to see both views) I notice glenn2926 mentioning how there was room/need for the 2
I see Coolcats not, but just dissing it (correct me if im wrong of course)
I see Coolcats comment about power cuts and mobiles not being useful ? my moblie will keep a charge easy 2 - 3 days, and Ive relied on it when my "land line" went down.... and even a landland that use remote base handsets will lose connection beacse they need 240v so uless you have one of the "telephone tables" sat right in the hallway next to the RJ11 insert then you probably are in the tiny minority who have a real landline.

Mobiles dont lose when the telegraph line goes down or cabinet fails, or as in my case the connector junction from the main pole line just before it enters the house gets water in it and is out 3 days.

w3w has its uses, very good uses in fact, to be blind to that is to be an ostrich, but is there room for the both or even all 3, probably...for now. There more ways to give lives a chance the better ....I do beleive the coast guard use it though?

What I am saying is that, W3W is not and was never designed to be an emergency application, in addition trauma or circumstances can mean that delays in identifying where you are calling from it could be you need to down load the app, it could be adverse enviroment stops you from using it. AML automatically lets the emergency services know your location, then mapping software can advise the best route for the emergency services and or if a helicopter lifeboat etc etc is required the only point of W3W is that it can provide a point on a map where the victim is.

Mobile masts have back up power some may have generators which at some point will run out of fuel.

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2121314/mobile-netwroks-and-power-cuts

This says 26% of people never use a land line which is fine but I suspect there are a good % of those who do use it for Broadband which will end when fibre is rolled out.

 

[Coolcats]

I use w3w a lot, without an App

For example, we have tried every which way for people to tell us EXACTLY where they want to park motorhomes in their Aire planning exemption Application they make to us. They have used grid references, coordinates and long hand directions and sent us hand drawn maps. It was terrible. However since we incorporated W3W into the form with a link to a simple video how to use it, we get our 3 words and know exactly where to outline when we are talking to planning. Everyone gets it, it's working well. Also the planners are now asking for w3w, we provide it by way of a /// link, its awesome. Its just a postcode.

good for you Jim

 

[Janine]

I do not need an app for that

You need something like Google maps to find them though

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