Village is doomed, wanna buy really cheap houses with sea views?

[StephDeLux]

Well, apparently, Obama, who's been pretty vocal about global warming, sea levels and so on, seems to have forgotten all about it. They just bought this house:

15 millions dollars. No idea how they get that kind of money out of a life in public service, but anyway.

 

[MattR]

Well, apparently, Obama, who's been pretty vocal about global warming, sea levels and so on, seems to have forgotten all about it. They just bought this house:

15 millions dollars. No idea how they get that kind of money out of a life in public service, but anyway.

They paid $11 million for a property that could be between 1m and 3m above sea level. At 5mm rise per year, it could take take 50+ years for the place to flood... That would be $220,000 a year lost. They will easily make that amount with a few speeches, let alone their books and pensions.

 

[PeteH]

As a boy I spent many happy weeks each summer playing by the sea at Ulrome. Is it still there?

Just about, the village is just over 1/2mile from the cliff edge I think.

We were taught exactly the same..But can you trust Experts,,700 years ago they believed the world was flat although sailors told them different,,When steam trains appeared the experts said going above 20 mph would kill humans,,in the 50s a certain Mr Beecham decided we didn't need branch lines or The Gt Central Railway,,a little later the Experts stated oil was the future and we scrapped trams and trolley busses..90s experts told us diesel not petrol was the future now it's back to what we used years ago Electricity.and then of course we now have those Smart motorways, another idea by an expert who has probably never driven 50 miles in his or her life..Never believe an EXPERT.BUSBY.

I quite like Experts?. The Local pub is full of them, especially by about 9.30pm?. Most however seem to be expert at getting England to win a World cup or something!.

I will be dead or dementia by then so nothing to worry about. Haha

My sentiments too. NOTHING, I do will make a jot of difference apart from making life more difficult personally. So until I see these "climate "protesters" doing their thing in Beijing and Moscow. Or chaining themselves to Bulldozers in the Amazon. I dont give a flying F.

Do your doubts trump the reports from climate scientists?

Could do?. The same experts had us heading for an new ice age not that many years ago. Before the Politicians decided that it would collect more taxes and give them more control of the populations lives to have "Global Warming".

I do wonder why people throw millions at houses in Sandbanks that must be close to sinking ?

a) because they can (wealth). and b) If they even think about it. they know they will be gone before it happens, or they have the financial means to start again. (see a). The same people who buy half millon pound cars and take a 50% depreciation in less than a year because they are now "bored". I understand that a couple of the new(er) properties are actually on "stilts" and the lower level is just parking?.

 

[MattR]

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Could do?. The same experts had us heading for an new ice age not that many years ago. Before the Politicians decided that it would collect more taxes and give them more control of the populations lives to have "Global Warming".

Not the same experts. You are possibly regurgitating the mini ice age myth from a mathematician whose model is flawed. She isn't a climate scientist. https://www.theguardian.com/environ...mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong

Tax and Government control? It would seem that they have brain washed a lot of very smart people to get them to make up or falsify lots of evidence.

 

[PeteH]

Not the same experts. You are possibly regurgitating the mini ice age myth from a mathematician whose model is flawed. She isn't a climate scientist. https://www.theguardian.com/environ...mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong

Tax and Government control? It would seem that they have brain washed a lot of very smart people to get them to make up or falsify lots of evidence.

The brain washing is the easy part it`s called "Scientific funding".

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[Tea Bag]

She be calling on King Canute next.

Hi.
Canute or " Knutsy" as he was called,worked with me, drove a lorry out of Southampton,a Norwegian. Full name Canute Dahl....... Your trying to tell me he is a King now ? Nice one.
Tea Bag

 

[Paddywack]

at school in the 600s we were told that great britain was tilting on a center axis roughly along the pennines east coast sinking and west coast rising obviously this doesnt work anymore with the green agenda

Still ongoing, rocks move slowly.

Predicted by scientists in Victorian times, proven by the use of modern technolog in later years.

Market Weighton Axis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Tea Bag]

Docklands going to be the new Venice

Hi.
Notice at a factory Thames riverside near the Barrier 1980's. " What to do if it floods " Some one had written on it ....... Breast Stroke !.. It made i Larff.
Tea Bag ??
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[MattR]

The brain washing is the easy part it`s called "Scientific funding".

Can you provide evidence of this? Is this more or less funding that the fossil fuel industries trying to convince people that climate change is a myth?

 

[Paddywack]

I'm intrigued by the attitude of those denying mans impact on the current rapid changes in global temperature.

Do you listen to other scientists in your life? Do you recognise that some people have trained for years and years and that their specialist knowledge may save your life, those ones are called medical specialists. Now medicine isn't a precise science, but if 99% of the world's medical specialists said that a particular operation is needed to save your life, would you dismiss their opinions them and just stick another leech on?

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[MattR]

Still ongoing, rocks move slowly.

Predicted by scientists in Victorian times, proven by the use of modern technolog in later years.

Market Weighton Axis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It accounts for a change of around 0.7mm a year. Added to rising sea levels of around 3mm a year.

 

[lindyloot]

Many centuries ago we were connected to Norway, the North Sea flooded what was Dogger Land , now Dogger Bank. Same in the English Channel which came about from flooding

 

[Silver-Fox]

Ahh Leeches used quite a lot these days I understand.

Stents often used and now found to be not as effective as first thought.

Those climate “experts” are well qualified people at guessing ?

Just saying ?

 

[busby]

I think (almost) everyone agrees that the World is warming up - and (almost) everyone agrees that it has happened many times before and is most likely cyclical.

The issue that the many, many considered and educated people have stated is not that it is warming up again, but that the RATE of change has never been seen going back more than 10,000 years, and it is continuing to accelerate.

Yes, it’s not solely mans fault that it is getting warmer (as many nae sayers like to point out), BUT the combination of a cyclical increase in temperature coupled with increased greenhouses gases produced by mankind is having a dramatic effect and accelerating the rise in temperatures which has a dramatic impact on weather as well as the worlds Flora and Fauna’s ability to react to that rapid change.

It’s all very well saying “Ah, but it happened before, so we don’t need to worry” - but mankind wasn’t around then to feel the consequences of the raised temperatures and the dramatically different weather systems and impact on climate.

And who’s going to stick their hand up and say “....and all the plastic in the oceans is popcock too; it’s happened before and it did the world no harm the last time” - of course all the experts around the world are lying about that too - aren’t they?

No one is denying the huge plastic problem,,it's there for us all to see and it's our fault..Just look at all the litter in our streets and along side our roads.It doesn't get there by accident.BUSBY.

 

[PhilMary]

I thought that "Scotland rising up was all due to Ms Nicola Sturgeon"?

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[Paddywack]

Many centuries ago we were connected to Norway, the North Sea flooded what was Dogger Land , now Dogger Bank. Same in the English Channel which came about from flooding

And just how long did that process take?

 

[Paddywack]

Ahh Leeches used quite a lot these days I understand.

Stents often used and now found to be not as effective as first thought.

Those climate “experts” are well qualified people at guessing ?

Just saying ?

As I said, medicine is not a precise science and yes you may get stent restenosis, but how many people have been saved by stents being fitted since 1986?

 

[nicholsong]

As I have always said climate change began about 10000 years ago as we came slowly out of the last ice age,,wonder what the so called experts would have blamed it on back then.BUSBY, ??

I think the coastal erosion on the East coast is because of the country gradually tilting rather than climate change, or it would be happening on the West coast as well.

 

[StephDeLux]

if 99% of the world's medical specialists said that a particular operation is needed to save your life,

30 years ago, 99.999% of doctors told patients with stomach ulcers that it was caused by stress and/or too much coffee. The scientific consensus was that bacteria cannot live in the acidic environment of the stomach.

There are other examples. Scientific consensus has a terrible track record. Having a consensus has never been and never will be a valid scientific argument. Science is based on proof.

 

[Paddywack]

30 years ago, 99.999% of doctors told patients with stomach ulcers that it was caused by stress and/or too much coffee. The scientific consensus was that bacteria cannot live in the acidic environment of the stomach.

There are other examples. Scientific consensus has a terrible track record. Having a consensus has never been and never will be a valid scientific argument. Science is based on proof.

So to go back to my original question, are you going to turn down a medical procedure based on consensus that MAY save your life whilst you wait for the proof to come along?

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[busby]

30 years ago, 99.999% of doctors told patients with stomach ulcers that it was caused by stress and/or too much coffee. The scientific consensus was that bacteria cannot live in the acidic environment of the stomach.

There are other examples. Scientific consensus has a terrible track record. Having a consensus has never been and never will be a valid scientific argument. Science is based on proof.

Yes remember tonsils,,put cream on burns etc etc..Thank goodness for research..not opinions.BUSBY.

 

[Ivory55]

I think the coastal erosion on the East coast is because of the country gradually tilting rather than climate change, or it would be happening on the West coast as well.

Might have something to do with all the dredging for sand and ballast that they have done in the North Sea. I guess that the holes will fill in with something.

 

[Paddywack]

I think the coastal erosion on the East coast is because of the country gradually tilting rather than climate change, or it would be happening on the West coast as well.

Off course it has nothing to do with the hardness of different strata on the respective sides of the coast?

Or where you being ironic?

PS it's more of a N/S tilt than E/W.

 

[Silver-Fox]

As I said, medicine is not a precise science and yes you may get stent restenosis, but how many people have been saved by stents being fitted since 1986?

A fair few I’d guess but more possibly in later life using alternative surgery.

Medicine is a lot more precise than climate change guessers though.

 

[StephDeLux]

So to go back to my original question, are you going to turn down a medical procedure based on consensus that MAY save your life whilst you wait for the proof to come along?

That has nothing to do with the topic. Your post is specious with a false analogy.

Climate alarmists would be more credible if they didn't focus so much on what Europe and US do and never on India or China.

They'd be more credible if they could demonstrate that we can control the average temperature on Earth just by adjusting our production of CO2, down to the prediction of what measure would produce what impact.

They'd be more credible if they fixed a target to attain in terms of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere. But they don't, whatever has been already done, it is never enough.

The mantra is always the West has not done a thing, the West must stop producing CO2, the West much pay this and that, etc... Without defining a measurable goal to reach.

And of course the big preachers are immune to it. They can fly at will, be driven in motorcades, heat several huge mansions, many of them on the seaside, sail on multi-million dollars boats made in carbon fiber making several people fly around for the logistics, fly 25,000 people to one place every year for a useless conference.

Give us a break, it's all a power grab, a racket for a few people and an endless opportunity of virtue signalling for a large number of useful idiots.

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[Paddywack]

Yes remember tonsils,,put cream on burns etc etc..Thank goodness for research..not opinions.BUSBY.

I address the same question to the honourable member:

"So to go back to my original question, are you going to turn down a medical procedure based on consensus that MAY save your life whilst you wait for the proof to come along?"

 

[busby]

I address the same question to the honourable member:

"So to go back to my original question, are you going to turn down a medical procedure based on consensus that MAY save your life whilst you wait for the proof to come along?"

The answer of course is No because medical procedure is mostly proven..No proof of what is causing Climate change..Records on climate/fossil fuels only goes back 50 years,,Geologists trace back many millions of years and do not support the fossil fuel/ carbon footprint theory..I don't get that if I plant a tree I can then drive my car 10 miles,,Which clever sales person thought that up..??? BUSBY.

 

[Paddywack]

The answer of course is No because medical procedure is mostly proven..No proof of what is causing Climate change..Records on climate/fossil fuels only goes back 50 years,,Geologists trace back many millions of years and do not support the fossil fuel/ carbon footprint theory..I don't get that if I plant a tree I can then drive my car 10 miles,,Which clever sales person thought that up..??? BUSBY.

So what about your arguments on tonsils and cream on burns (which by the way they still do, just a different sort of cream.)?

Here is a handy myth buster for all the flat earthers on here https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php

 

[StephDeLux]

for all the flat earthers on here

We are not flat earthers, you can keep your insults.

The Earth being flat with the Sun and the other planets orbiting around it was a scientific consensus, by the way. Until one man, Copernicus found out and proved what we now know. That's the power of proof vs. consensus.

 

[MattR]

I think the coastal erosion on the East coast is because of the country gradually tilting rather than climate change, or it would be happening on the West coast as well.

Can you back up your thoughts with evidence?

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