Ulez in Ireland

[JoshnPen]

We have a 1997 peugeot boxer. How do we pay the ulez in ireland?

 

[DDJC]

You do realise that pedestrians and cyclists are also drivers. You don't have to stick to just one form of transport.

What?
Pedestrians are walkers and cyclists are riders. They aren't drivers.
But what has that got to do with it anyway? Walkers and riders contribute nothing to the cost of maintaining their space.

 

[2x2camper]

What?
Pedestrians are walkers and cyclists are riders. They aren't drivers.
But what has that got to do with it anyway? Walkers and riders contribute nothing to the cost of maintaining their space.

What they don't pay tax income tax, Vat, council tax or any of the many other taxes we have. Think you will find most cyclists also drive.

 

[Brains]

What?
Pedestrians are walkers and cyclists are riders. They aren't drivers.
But what has that got to do with it anyway? Walkers and riders contribute nothing to the cost of maintaining their space.

On that basis, nor do vehicle drivers!

'Road tax' was abolished in 1935.
Road improvement and maintenance has come from general taxation since then.
So your average pedestrian and cyclist pays the same as the average driver.

It should also be remembered that walkers and cyclists (and horse riders) have a 'right' to use the road.
Vehicle drivers however require and a licence, renewed annually, to use the road.

 

[Brains]

Blackwall, Silvertown and the Woolwich ferry only affects you if you live inside London. Someone is going to be robbed to pay for more public transport and cycle lanes.
Drivers? It's you!

No sympathy. Londoners voted for this Marxist twice. Now own your decision.

Silvertown, once completed, will affect a lot more than just resident Londoners.
Same applies to the Thurrock/Gravesend cross when completed.

It means Kent, the Channel ports, Eurotunnel and the connection to the mainland for the majority of the traffic you will have to cross the Thames via a tolled route (or a 100 mile detour)

As for Khan "the Marxist" being voted in, twice, can a Marxist be democratic ?

A few years back he would have been classed as being on the right of centre of the Conservative party until the Conservative party lurched to the extreme right.

Luckily the millions that vote for each time are aware of this.

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[gus-lopez]

You do realise that pedestrians and cyclists are also drivers. You don't have to stick to just one form of transport.

Yes but ,like me they fo not contribute when walking or cycling.
You have to beat in mind that those who do not drink,smoke,gamble,drive petrol guzzling vehicles are poncing off everyone else.

was born in Kent, and was a Kentishman until the age of three months. Then some bureaucratic arse changed the boundary and I became a cockney overnight.

I was born in Essex until that became part of London.

What they don't pay tax income tax, Vat, council tax or any of the many other taxes we have. Think you will find most cyclists also drive.

As above. If you ban the cars completely, and this is what should be done,then what is left ,walkers and cyclists should be paying tolls.

A few years back he would have been classed as being on the right of centre of the Conservative party until the Conservative party lurched to the extreme right.

Luckily the millions that vote for each time are aware of this.

Far more voted against him until the 3rd candidate dropped out.in the final vote 440k less people voted .
&"millions" don't vote for him.Barely a million he was voted in by.
The vast apathetic majority,5,4million, couldn't even be bothered to vote.
This is why compulsory voting should be the norm.

 

[DDJC]

Silvertown, once completed, will affect a lot more than just resident Londoners.
Same applies to the Thurrock/Gravesend cross when completed.

Not bothered about Silvertown crossing. London business, not mine. If you look at a map, the Lower Thames Crossing is designed to assist as many people as possible from not having to go into London. Works for me.

It means Kent, the Channel ports, Eurotunnel and the connection to the mainland for the majority of the traffic you will have to cross the Thames via a tolled route (or a 100 mile detour)

I don't get the point of your argument at all. It has been this way for twenty years plus.
If you go anti clockwise, you save the Dartford toll, but if you are coming off the M11, M1 or A1, you may decide to go clockwise. Nothing has changed. No idea where your 100 mile detour is. If you come off the M1 and go anticlockwise, it is 70 miles to Junct 3 of the M25. If you go clockwise you save 19 miles. The only 100 miles I can see is if you come off the A13, and instead of paying the toll you go anti clockwise. That would have you certified.

None of which affects me as I live south of the M25.

As for Khan "the Marxist" being voted in, twice, can a Marxist be democratic ?
A few years back he would have been classed as being on the right of centre of the Conservative party until the Conservative party lurched to the extreme right.

He is a Police and establishment hating lefty. His entire legal career was spent prosecuting Police and local government on spurious cases for compo, while he got paid through legal aid. His intention is to stop everyone driving in London and shovel them onto his expensive public transport. And the suggestion that he is on the right is laughable, but to explain why would see this thread being moved to the Belly Locker.

Luckily the millions that vote for each time are aware of this.

And probably will again which says everything you need to know about what Londoners have become.

 

[Charlie57]

Just as long as Burnham doesn't get any ideas from him

 

[DDJC]

This is why compulsory voting should be the norm.

Or perhaps the norm should be to not have any Metropolitan Mayors?
I'd vote for that.

 

[Brains]

Or perhaps the norm should be to not have any Metropolitan Mayors?
I'd vote for that.

Thatcher tried that when she abolished the GLC in 1986.

Totally mad idea to think that you can run a city like London, with 32 competing councils of all different political shades, no one is going to agree on capital projects such as new rail and road lines, or even school policy.

It was also embarrassing that at the annual global meeting of major city mayors where global city policy is decided that there was no UK representatives except some junior minister who had no authority, so could only listen.

Hence London got a Mayor back in 2000, after which loads of stalled projects, housing, roads, tube, rail, busses schools etc were all rolled out.

Other cities then also asked for Mayors, hence places like Manchester which in effect have only had a Mayor since 2017 are now complaining that they have been missed off getting proper transport etc.
They will get it, but they are 17 years behind London in terms of organisation.

Bottom line is we need more Mayors, with real powers, not fewer.

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[L' Hobo]

Thatcher tried that when she abolished the GLC in 1986.

Totally mad idea to think that you can run a city like London, with 32 competing councils of all different political shades, no one is going to agree on capital projects such as new rail and road lines, or even school policy.

It was also embarrassing that at the annual global meeting of major city mayors where global city policy is decided that there was no UK representatives except some junior minister who had no authority, so could only listen.

Hence London got a Mayor back in 2000, after which loads of stalled projects, housing, roads, tube, rail, busses schools etc were all rolled out.

Other cities then also asked for Mayors, hence places like Manchester which in effect have only had a Mayor since 2017 are now complaining that they have been missed off getting proper transport etc.
They will get it, but they are 17 years behind London in terms of organisation.

Bottom line is we need more Mayors, with real powers, not fewer.

Just like peaceful France then?

 

[Brains]

Just like peaceful France then?

Well at least in France, which has a mayor in every hamlet, who ensures they have an aire or campsite, plus a bakery, and a school, and decent roads, and they keep the bank .......

I'm not saying its a perfect system, but its better than the UK system.

 

[L' Hobo]

Forgive me but I don't understand? What is all this about the Dartford Crossing? When I went around the M25 a few weeks ago and will do again tomorrow, I saw no signs affecting the M25. Why would anyone have to do a 100mile diversion?
PS. I live in East Anglia.

I have just travelled around the M25, joining it at the A12 junction, travelled over the Dartford Bridge to the Leatherhead exit, passed inside the M25 to near Hampton Court, via Esher, where I used to live and, happy to say, I saw NO ULEZ restrictions?

 

[InvictaMoto]

I have just travelled around the M25, joining it at the A12 junction, travelled over the Dartford Bridge to the Leatherhead exit, passed inside the M25 to near Hampton Court, via Esher, where I used to live and, happy to say, I saw NO ULEZ restrictions?

It's not happening until end of August. When I lived in Weybridge it was Surrey and still is. No ULEZ in Surrey. Please!!!

My brother went to Surbiton County Grammar. It then moved to Thames Ditton near Hampton Court Way. So it got renamed Esher County... All because Surbiton was in Kingston upon Thames and a London borough, and TD was in Surrey.

I was a late developer and went to Hinchley Wood ...

 

[L' Hobo]

It's not happening until end of August. When I lived in Weybridge it was Surrey and still is. No ULEZ in Surrey. Please!!!

My brother went to Surbiton County Grammar. It then moved to Thames Ditton near Hampton Court Way. So it got renamed Esher County... All because Surbiton was in Kingston upon Thames and a London borough, and TD was in Surrey.

I was a late developer and went to Hinchley Wood ...

Yes, I used to live at Southwood Manor Farm, Hersham and one did not get into Walton-on-Thames until you had gone to North side of the railway line. Now, according to some, Walton now extends further South towards Esher?

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[InvictaMoto]

Yes, I used to live at Southwood Manor Farm, Hersham and one did not get into Walton-on-Thames until you had gone to North side of the railway line. Now, according to some, Walton now extends further South towards Esher?

I played football for Hersham United for a few years. Then crossed the line and went to Molesey..... A foot in both camps that meant when it kicked off in the evenings I was safe!

 

[Insider]

I do think this thread has become epic!

 

[Orion]

I have just travelled around the M25, joining it at the A12 junction, travelled over the Dartford Bridge to the Leatherhead exit, passed inside the M25 to near Hampton Court, via Esher, where I used to live and, happy to say, I saw NO ULEZ restrictions?

Blade Runners been active thereabouts?

Blade Runners

 

[Winger]

Any ULEZ in Wexford, asking for a friend as I thought this thread was about Ireland

 

[PaulOH]

Jaysus and here's me thinking that parocialism only existed in a wee small place like Ireland!

never mind your local mayors, never mind your changing local boundaries, never mind the apparent selective implementation of ULEZ/ZBE/ZE etc, etc,.... this is thundering down the road towards everyone who drives a vehicle - and that includes us.

I believe that in about 10 years time, it will be public policy that:

1. the centres of towns and cities of more than about 30,000 people will be petrol and diesel free
2. The availability of vehicles that run on these fuels will be much reduced
3. That if you have an MH that uses diesel, you'll be asked to be part of an initiative to move to a synthetic or alcohol fuel
4. Electric MH's will still be a bit inadequate - or will have become much more basic - because batteries are v.heavy.

There may be a huge revival of the much smaller camper - Suntor Marina Electrica anyone?

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[DDJC]

Jaysus and here's me thinking that parocialism only existed in a wee small place like Ireland!

never mind your local mayors, never mind your changing local boundaries, never mind the apparent selective implementation of ULEZ/ZBE/ZE etc, etc,.... this is thundering down the road towards everyone who drives a vehicle - and that includes us.

I believe that in about 10 years time, it will be public policy that:

1. the centres of towns and cities of more than about 30,000 people will be petrol and diesel free
2. The availability of vehicles that run on these fuels will be much reduced
3. That if you have an MH that uses diesel, you'll be asked to be part of an initiative to move to a synthetic or alcohol fuel
4. Electric MH's will still be a bit inadequate - or will have become much more basic - because batteries are v.heavy.

There may be a huge revival of the much smaller camper - Suntor Marina Electrica anyone?

You may well be right, but although it is possible to convert a derv vehicle to hydrogen, until hydrogen is more readily available, it isn't viable. Conversion to electric requires a re-build from base upwards and isn't affordable for most people.

 

[L' Hobo]

Any ULEZ in Wexford, asking for a friend as I thought this thread was about Ireland

Yes, but they didn't say which island!

 

[L' Hobo]

Jaysus and here's me thinking that parocialism only existed in a wee small place like Ireland!

never mind your local mayors, never mind your changing local boundaries, never mind the apparent selective implementation of ULEZ/ZBE/ZE etc, etc,.... this is thundering down the road towards everyone who drives a vehicle - and that includes us.

I believe that in about 10 years time, it will be public policy that:

1. the centres of towns and cities of more than about 30,000 people will be petrol and diesel free
2. The availability of vehicles that run on these fuels will be much reduced
3. That if you have an MH that uses diesel, you'll be asked to be part of an initiative to move to a synthetic or alcohol fuel
4. Electric MH's will still be a bit inadequate - or will have become much more basic - because batteries are v.heavy.

There may be a huge revival of the much smaller camper - Suntor Marina Electrica anyone?

If they do away with oil, what about the knock on affect regarding clothing, (most of the fleeces, jogging pants etc) & lubricants . Are the big companies going to think it worth drilling for a much smaller share of the market. In 10yrs, is that long enough to build enough Nuclear but cause, in THIS country, it's no good relying on wind & sun?

 

[Backlanes]

The poor OP, they only wanted to know how to pay in Ireland, no mention of London in the question.

So excuse me if I continue the tangent: in Scotland there are 4 LEZs (not ULEZ) with only Glasgow currently active.

It is really confusing that each U/LEZ seems to have different rules, some consistency would have helped.

 

[nicholsong]

The poor OP, they only wanted to know how to pay in Ireland, no mention of London in the question.

So excuse me if I continue the tangent: in Scotland there are 4 LEZs (not ULEZ) with only Glasgow currently active.

It is really confusing that each U/LEZ seems to have different rules, some consistency would have helped.

That is what you get with devolved government: just like USA where each State can set its own Income Tax, Sales Tax, Gun Laws, Abortion Laws, right down to 'turning right on a red' - which is chaos round Washington DC where one can be in Virginia within a block.

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[HarryML7]

We have a 1997 peugeot boxer. How do we pay the ulez in ireland

Let me know where and when you are arriving and I meet you to collect the fee €50 payable in cash.

 

[2x2camper]

That is what you get with devolved government: just like USA where each State can set its own Income Tax, Sales Tax, Gun Laws, Abortion Laws, right down to 'turning right on a red' - which is chaos round Washington DC where one can be in Virginia within a block.

Ireland is an independent country, not devolved

 

[InvictaMoto]

The poor OP, they only wanted to know how to pay in Ireland, no mention of London in the question.

So excuse me if I continue the tangent: in Scotland there are 4 LEZs (not ULEZ) with only Glasgow currently active.

It is really confusing that each U/LEZ seems to have different rules, some consistency would have helped.

But tangential threads bring up so much humour and stories. Just like sitting in the pub with a group of mates, bodhráns at the ready....

 

[gus-lopez]

Thatcher tried that when she abolished the GLC in 1986.

&why did she abolish it?
Because she had to because of the shenanigans of that last two faced back stabbing Marxist Labour scum Livingstone who actually cost londoners billions.

 

[Sooky]

We have a 1997 peugeot boxer. How do we pay the ulez in ireland?

No Ulez in the south

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[Brains]

&why did she abolish it?
Because she had to because of the shenanigans of that last two faced back stabbing Marxist Labour scum Livingstone who actually cost londoners billions.

It that the same Livingstone that then got re-elected, twice, as London Mayor?
The same guy that got the Olympics into London ? and that actually built houses, and introduced the Oyster card and the 'Boris' bike ?

Probably the only honest politician of the late 1990's.