Two motorhomes taking the piss

[olley]

Absolutely it isn't for everyone, we use a mix, before here we were up the road at Avon estates campsite paying £50 a night.
Just for the convenience of visiting Stratford, this and the Leisure centre which has marked motorhome spaces can't be beaten.
Spoons has done well out of us this week, as did the Old Elm pub

 

[kimndon]

All this insurance waffle - how likely is a fire to happen and spread compared to the risks entailed in driving to said park up?

 

[Gellyneck]

All this insurance waffle - how likely is a fire to happen and spread compared to the risks entailed in driving to said park up?

As likely as an aircraft crashing into your house but we're still insured for it!

 

[Simon Meadwell]

No 6m gap when you go to the supermarket. Dont fires happen there.

 

[Gellyneck]

No 6m gap when you go to the supermarket. Dont fires happen there.

But do you cook/sleep/shower/etc in the supermarket car park?

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[Tombola]

But do you cook/sleep/shower/etc in the supermarket car park?

oh yes

and the motorway services, and maybe the odd park, sea front,

 

[Whippet93]

oh yes

and the motorway services, and maybe the odd park, sea front,

oh yes

and the motorway services, and maybe the odd park, sea front,

I hope when you shower in the odd park, nobody can sea front.....

 

[Mikey RV]

I know I would be happy being at least six metres away from anything that caught fire rather than one metre away. Everyone who has had a caravan/ motorhome fire did not go away thinking we will catch fire this weekend.

 

[Howard B]

It would be interesting to see the risk assessment and data/ evidence behind it that led to the 6m rule.

 

[funflair]

I thought that the general rule was minimum 3 metres between units but many places apply a 6 metre rule allowed for awnings, pup tents, BBQ's or even cars to be in that space.

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[Landy Andy]

If you want to be safe, don’t put flammable liquid or gas in your vehicle, don’t have any form of electricity in it. Don’t drive it, don’t sleep in it. Oh and keep away from others and you should be ok, as long as you pray to your god
Enjoy

 

[GJH]

It would be interesting to see the risk assessment and data/ evidence behind it that led to the 6m rule.

Have a look at thread https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/six-meter-rule.140750/

For some reason the link to the risk assessment appears to have been removed since the discussion and I can't recall where it was just now. However, look at post #50 from JockandRita because Jock describes the professional thinking in summary very well.

 

[Howard B]

I thought that the general rule was minimum 3 metres between units but many places apply a 6 metre rule allowed for awnings, pup tents, BBQ's or even cars to be in that space.

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Interesting read, thanks for the link.

 

[JockandRita]

Have a look at thread https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/six-meter-rule.140750/

For some reason the link to the risk assessment appears to have been removed since the discussion and I can't recall where it was just now. However, look at post #50 from JockandRita because Jock describes the professional thinking in summary very well.

Thank you Graham.

For those wondering, that information and advice from 9 x years ago, is still valid today.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[olley]

How many caravan/motorhome fires did you go to compared with how many caravan/motorhome road accidents JockandRita

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[Lenny HB]

Looks a bit of a dump,what people endure to save money.

Looks fine to me not much different to a lot of Aires.

But do you cook/sleep/shower/etc in the supermarket car park?

Sometimes, supermarkets all over France with Motorhome bays you can overnight in.

 

[Gellyneck]

Sometimes, supermarkets all over France with Motorhome bays you can overnight in.

However, the topic of the discussion is around "UK Legislation/Restrictions" and if there is a potential impact upon insurance for the parking provider / user.

 

[JockandRita]

How many caravan/motorhome fires did you go to compared with how many caravan/motorhome road accidents JockandRita

Truthfully? Very few Olley, and of those incidents I did attend, none were on licenced campsites. However, you are comparing apples with pears, as the risks really are quite different. With communal habitation such as on a campsite, the greater risk is the life risk at night, when everyone is asleep, and would be less aware of any outbreak of fire, hence the 6 x metre rule giving others time and space to vacate their outfit or pitch even.

Out on the road the risk is totally different, as in when driving...........but once parked up at night, it reverts back to the risk as explained above.
It took me quite a while to accept the European practise of overnighting in extreme close proximity to each other, such as on Aires and Stellplatz, etc however, it just made me more alert and safety minded for ourselves. For example, my front seat was/is always left in the driving position, and when I used ramps for levelling, I always reversed on to them, ready for a swift move off if necessary. It became a case of, "When in Rome".

The introduction of domestic smoke detectors/alarms back in the late 80s, both in residential properties and leisure vehicles, has gone a long way to saving lives through early detection, by preventing small incidents from escalating into life treating one's.

HTH.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[GJH]

How many caravan/motorhome fires did you go to compared with how many caravan/motorhome road accidents JockandRita

I was just about to ask what is the relevance of the numbers but JockandRita beat me

 

[Bertilak]

Whereas, imo, the 6m rule originated in the days of tents proofed with paraffin wax, with guy lines running 1-2m between them, primus stoves and Tilley lamps, not to mention the lads refilling their petrol stoves from leaky motorbike tanks, whilst everyone smokes...
These days the risks have reduced, but may have changed... big 60v solar arrays connected to big diy built lithium batteries with no-name Ali-baba controllers, all installed by folks who learnt it off Youtube! Plus electric cars and dodgy ebikes going down market by the week.
Still not many fires though.

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[KASPAR]

I recall a fire in a camping site once, many many years ago. Must be about 50 years ago, such a rare occurrence.
A panicker came running into the pub screaming and shouting about a tent alight.
Lots of screaming and shouting and no action by anyone, just panicking.
My mate, whose tent it was, on realising it was his calmly enquired 'is it still in one piece, or burnt down?' reply was it was burned down. 'Oh dear, let me buy you a pint for letting me know'.

The cause, a tin of baked beans on a gas burner, overlooked in the engagement of friends catching up.


In these days of risk aversion, elf and safe tea etc reasonably practicable comes to mind. What will be will be, sometimes deliberate acts, but often unforeseen events happen. But there must be a blame, someone must be lynched, tis the way of the 21st century

 

[Imala615]

If you have used some French Aires that rule doesn’t apply, as long as you can get door open that’s it

Belgium a couple of weeks ago and €30 for the pleasure.

 

[olley]

Belgium a couple of weeks ago and €30 for the pleasure.
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I reckon you could still get awning out.

 

[CAB96]

I recall a fire in a camping site once, many many years ago. Must be about 50 years ago, such a rare occurrence.
A panicker came running into the pub screaming and shouting about a tent alight.
Lots of screaming and shouting and no action by anyone, just panicking.
My mate, whose tent it was, on realising it was his calmly enquired 'is it still in one piec, or burnt down?' reply reply it was burned down. 'Oh dear, let me buy you a pint for letting me know'.

The cause, a tin of baked beans on a gas burner, overlooked in the engagement of friends catching up.


In these days of risk aversion, elf and safe tea etc reasonably practicable comes to mind. What will be will be, sometimes deliberate acts, but often unforeseen events happen. But there must be a blame, someone must be lynched, tis the way of the 21st century

Have you seen how much plastic and other flammable material is in modern vehicles and Motorhomes?

It's the same domestically. The number of fires has been drastically reduced over the years, but the "fire load", i.e. the amount of available material is much greater than 40 years ago.

Upholstery foam (in the UK) may be fire retardant, but most of the rest of a Motorhome will burn.

 

[Miggs]

Belgium a couple of weeks ago and €30 for the pleasure.
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I pulled into the Bruges aire earlier this year, missed the sharp right turn into the motorhome area and by the time I spotted the sign, my wife had pushed the button for the coach park barrier!
€55!....not a good start!

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[Go_buddy_go_]

We are booked for the Links Road (Bamburgh Castle) car park in October. The booking process gives bay numbers that are alternate, and somewhere it says about leaving the next bay empty.

Such a good idea … we stayed there earlier this year.. wish all towns with large car parks did this..!! Can’t be that difficult surely?

 

[Imala615]

I reckon you could still get awning out.

the guy in the van on the right of the picture (Italian) did ask if i could open the habitation door. Worth mentioning that this was at the top end of the pitches at Bruges near the barrier but if you carry on down to the bottom end all the pitches do have room to get an awning out (they were all taken but i didn't see those until i had parked up and settle in)

 

[cyberyacht]

MH parking in alternate bays seems sensible, giving about a 2M gap. 6M does seem a bit overkill. In a serious conflagration I doubt 6M would be considered a big enough gap but just buys you a bit of time to react.

 

[olley]

Road accidents in the UK in 24, 29,537 KSI of which 1633 were fatalities, and people worry about parking 2 feet from another motorhome, because of a remote chance it might go up in flames.
Come on guys get real, you've just finished the most dangerous part of your day.

 

[CAB96]

Road accidents in the UK in 24, 29,537 KSI of which 1633 were fatalities, and people worry about parking 2 feet from another motorhome, because of a remote chance it might go up in flames.
Come on guys get real, you've just finished the most dangerous part of your day.

Yes?

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