Two motorhomes taking the piss

iandsm said:
Isn't it a Caravan Club rule and also Camping and Caravan club. Independent sites adopt other or not as their choice and there is no legal basis for it.
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I think it was somthing to do with natural England, whoever they are?

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Shrimp said:
I think the 6mtr rule has only originated from the 2 main UK clubs.
Most campsites follow along like sheep, go abroad and you might find you can shake hands with your neighbour without leaving your van! :oops:
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Exactly and then the knock on is that setting up Aires gets harder as someone will mention the 6m rule!
 
olley said:
We've been parked at Stratford cricket ground £27 for 3 nights, no services just parking, it's busy but two selfish buggers have their awnings out, so taking two spaces effectively.
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I didn't know you can stop there. A great location for us to visit our Daisy!
Thanks,..... and yes they are taking the piss
 
I know someone who owns a campsite in Kent they also have an Aire. The spacing on the Aire is more inline with French Aires.

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chesterfield hooligan said:
£27 For a carpark is it in the south of France 🇫🇷, or perhaps it's in Puerto Banus.
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To be fair it’s bang in the middle of Stratford and has a nice clubhouse/food @£9 a night it’s cheap enough and great if you like cricket 🤣
 
We arrived at an aire in Gruissan port on the Friday of their carnival weekend. It was rammed and the only hope of a pitch was next to a camper with its awning out, tables and chairs etc. I asked politely if they would wind it in to allow me to park and they did just that. Even the French know when they are in the wrong.
Phil thatspace.
 
RandallC said:
just back from a northern England tour and some carparks in Northumberland allow overnight parking BUT when overnighting a parking bay is to be free between each van. (ditto Steamer Quay in Totnes)
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Is that information on the information boards at said car parks, or did you find it elsewhere?
I'm asking because we are in Northumberland just now.

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olley said:
Why, fires are very rare. I have no problem parking next to others, and on some Aires abroad you can hardly open the doors.
Each to his own.
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You beat me to it Olley. 6mtr gap, you’ll be grateful for 2 foot on some Aires, especially during the holiday season.
 
I wouldnt be bothered myself.
There are no.marked bays there, the sign is a std generic sign, and if they parked next to.me with awning out I'd be happy for the space..
 
Tiger Bear said:
Is that information on the information boards at said car parks, or did you find it elsewhere?
I'm asking because we are in Northumberland just now.
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We are booked for the Links Road (Bamburgh Castle) car park in October. The booking process gives bay numbers that are alternate, and somewhere it says about leaving the next bay empty.
 
A couple of points appear to require clarification.

On the contact page on the sports club web site (https://www.stratfordsport.co.uk/Home/ContactUs) it states;
"Please note that the Sports Club parking is a paid car park. If you are attending the site you will need to pay for parking.
If you are a visiting team, players can obtain a parking voucher from the Stratford Team Captain. Visiting teams are welcome to use the members parking area.
For those parents / guardians of children attending coaching course a free 20 minute drop off / collection period is provided."
i.e. the Sports Club provides a car park for parking of vehicles at costs and for periods stated on their signage.

As far as I can see (through Google) the sports club does not hold a caravan site licence and has not been appointed as a CL by an exempted organisation. Presumably, therefore, S5 of the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 can not apply because it deals with licence conditions.

However, given that there is no licence/exemption, using a motorhome for the purposes of human habitation on the land is only legal if it is done in compliance with the provisions of the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960, most specifically paragraph 2 (or 3 depending on the size of the land) of Schedule 1.
Usage outside of those provisions would make the landowner and the motorhome owner liable to action for breach of the Act, just as it is with any other land (e.g. a "pub stop" where no licence/exemption is held).

If damage from a fire were to happen, especially if it were caused/exacerbated by lack of spacing, the insurance companies covering the landowner and the motorhome owner would presumably take a view on the extent of their liability.

As far as motorhome owners are concerned, it's the same as using any unlicensed land to stay overnight - Do you want to risk it?
 
GJH said:
A couple of points appear to require clarification.

On the contact page on the sports club web site (https://www.stratfordsport.co.uk/Home/ContactUs) it states;
"Please note that the Sports Club parking is a paid car park. If you are attending the site you will need to pay for parking.
If you are a visiting team, players can obtain a parking voucher from the Stratford Team Captain. Visiting teams are welcome to use the members parking area.
For those parents / guardians of children attending coaching course a free 20 minute drop off / collection period is provided."
i.e. the Sports Club provides a car park for parking of vehicles at costs and for periods stated on their signage.

As far as I can see (through Google) the sports club does not hold a caravan site licence and has not been appointed as a CL by an exempted organisation. Presumably, therefore, S5 of the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 can not apply because it deals with licence conditions.

However, given that there is no licence/exemption, using a motorhome for the purposes of human habitation on the land is only legal if it is done in compliance with the provisions of the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960, most specifically paragraph 2 (or 3 depending on the size of the land) of Schedule 1.
Usage outside of those provisions would make the landowner and the motorhome owner liable to action for breach of the Act, just as it is with any other land (e.g. a "pub stop" where no licence/exemption is held).

If damage from a fire were to happen, especially if it were caused/exacerbated by lack of spacing, the insurance companies covering the landowner and the motorhome owner would presumably take a view on the extent of their liability.

As far as motorhome owners are concerned, it's the same as using any unlicensed land to stay overnight - Do you want to risk it?
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Good informative info but a question.

If, G*d forbid, a fire started in one motorhome/campervan (A) and spread to the adjacent units (B & C) which insurance would B & C claim on? Their own or A's?

If A, B & C's insurers all adopt a "no cover" approach could / would B & C have a right for a civil claim against A?

OK, my counting ain't very good so more than one question which, with all respect, you may not have legal expertise to answer but it may prompt some thoughts for those who are currently comfortable with this overnighting approach.

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I am comfortable in the same way I am comfortable in driving the motorhome, which I would say is very much more of a risk of an accident, than parking close to other motorhomes.
 
The problem with giving 6m in between vans in a car park like this is someone will park in between you, I guarantee if you left your van to go a walk the space would be filled so better to leave a save space that nobody can fit in.
 
Paul. said:
Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't there supposed to be a minimum 6m gap between each vehicle.
Paul
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I've used a few Overnight stop bays in car parks in Scotland which had motorhome sized bays. The rule for overnighting was one empty bay between vans. Needless to say some idiots parked in the empty bays.
 
Gellyneck said:
Good informative info but a question.

If, G*d forbid, a fire started in one motorhome/campervan (A) and spread to the adjacent units (B & C) which insurance would B & C claim on? Their own or A's?

If A, B & C's insurers all adopt a "no cover" approach could / would B & C have a right for a civil claim against A?

OK, my counting ain't very good so more than one question which, with all respect, you may not have legal expertise to answer but it may prompt some thoughts for those who are currently comfortable with this overnighting approach.
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Nice question :LOL:
Presumably the chance of success would depend on the specific circumstances and actions of A. B and C :)

As you say, though, it is something which people need to think about. Certainly that people need to be aware of because I expect that in many cases it never occurs to them.
 
olley said:
I am comfortable in the same way I am comfortable in driving the motorhome, which I would say is very much more of a risk of an accident, than parking close to other motorhomes.
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but are you insured for an accident, albeit perhaps, unlikely when overnighting?

Not decrying your acceptance of cheek by jowl overnight parking but it ain't for us. Each to their own.

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