trippled jabbed but still anxious we wont be allowed out or in.

[deleted79651]

England has removed the 11 African nations that were on the Red List wef 4am tomorrow, because Omicron is already surging in UK. Hotel quarantine is also being ended, possibly for political advantage/placation of disgruntled MPs in today's debate, and there a 'sympathetic ear' for WM Government reimbursing the hotel quarantine costs of those currently in hotels, but that opens up a can of worms for those who exited quarantine a few days ago etc

Steve

 

[WillH]

My son and his family live in France, he's cancelled his plans to return to the UK for Christmas. His feeling is that travel conditions and requirements can change swiftly and he doesn't want to get stranded.

 

[gus-lopez]

it'd be selfish to ruin it for the youngsters just for our own enjoyment.

He is a youngster.

 

[Skez]

My thinking is that we should spread the defence if we want to travel.
We are being selfish (understandably) by grabbing what we can.

Again, I don't necessarily disagree with that.

What I would like to see is poorer / developing nations provided with the vaccine - or the means to produce it - but it costs someone doesn't it??

In my naivety I think that us wealthy nations of the western developed world ought to see the 'human' benefit in doing this. We'd all be better off and safer.

Sadly politics, national agendas, and pharma-financials all take precedence.

 

[Neil S]

England has removed the 11 African nations that were on the Red List wef 4am tomorrow, because Omicron is already surging in UK. Hotel quarantine is also being ended, possibly for political advantage/placation of disgruntled MPs in today's debate, and there a 'sympathetic ear' for WM Government reimbursing the hotel quarantine costs of those currently in hotels, but that opens up a can of worms for those who exited quarantine a few days ago etc

Steve

If the 10 day Hotel quarantine is being ended
Will you be allowed to quarantine at home instead

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[pandas]

You are right to be anxious but am pretty sure there will not be many - sorry any, on this forum that has any more informed information than you have about what the rules will be.

 

[deleted79651]

If the 10 day Hotel quarantine is being ended
Will you be allowed to quarantine at home instead

That appears to what's being 'proposed'/offered at present, Neil; much of the updates appear to be from the Parliamentary debate so the final form will not be known until after the vote. and, just to add complications, Government backbench MPs who had promised to rebel are now making statements of support for the Government, suggesting that tweaks and concessions are being made on the fly but the Health Secretary's Quarantine cessation seems to have been the biggest announcement. 'Watch this space' appears to be the best option at present.

Steve

 

[The Wino]

Again, I don't necessarily disagree with that.

What I would like to see is poorer / developing nations provided with the vaccine - or the means to produce it - but it costs someone doesn't it??

In my naivety I think that us wealthy nations of the western developed world ought to see the 'human' benefit in doing this. We'd all be better off and safer.

Sadly politics, national agendas, and pharma-financials all take precedence.

I think it's true in lots of other ways. The problem is there are a lot who would vote for a government that spent a lot on trying to reduce covid, migration and terrorism by military spending and tightening up borders but don't fancy humanitarian spending aimed at the same targets.

 

[The Wino]

That appears to what's being 'proposed'/offered at present, Neil; much of the updates appear to be from the Parliamentary debate so the final form willnot be known until after the vote. and, just to add complications, Government backbench MPs who had promised to rebel are now making statements of support for the Government, suggesting that tweaks and concessions are being made on the fly but the Health Secretary's Quarantine cessation seems to have been the biggest announcement. 'Watch this space' appears to be the best option at present.

Steve

I think there's been a face saving dodgy deal done quite likely to avoid the government measures being saved by opposition votes.

 

[deleted79651]

Again, I don't necessarily disagree with that.

What I would like to see is poorer / developing nations provided with the vaccine - or the means to produce it - but it costs someone doesn't it??

In my naivety I think that us wealthy nations of the western developed world ought to see the 'human' benefit in doing this. We'd all be better off and safer.

Sadly politics, national agendas, and pharma-financials all take precedence.

The Booster vaccines are reported to be costing UK Gov £5 billion which is small beer compared against other COVID expenditures, and the £5 billion is after price increases of, IIRC, 25% by Pfizer and 10% by Moderna in response to 'market demand'. If there is 'no such thing as a free lunch', then the UK and other Governments could have saved money and lives [in that order], had they followed the operational and academic medics advice to get the vaccines out to the developing world, because as one Doctor said on Twitter about 3 months ago, 'If you were planning a campaign to produce multiple strands of a virus, you couldn't do better than follow the Developed World's example of hoarding the vaccines whilst giving free rein to the Virus to broaden its range of offerings for widespread killing and infection', as near to verbatim as I can recall his Tweet. Easy with hindsight, but that 'generosity' of vaccine donation would have repaid itself very quickly by the national economies remaining open and in near full production

Steve

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[kimndon]

I am 67, my father died at 89 still with most of his mental faculties but, obviously getting frail. So I might have another 10 motorhome fun years left. I will take responsibility for my own health and that of others - jabbed, masked, social distancing. I will not spend the next weeks, months, years hunkered down worried about a virus which is here to stay and the scientist are reducing it’s severity as I type.

 

[Mikeco]

We were due out on the Portsmouth Cherbourg ferry on Boxing Day but now thinking about changing it to early January, we have the Brittany Ferries flexible tickets so it can be changed to within 4 hours of the ferry time. The return is also booked for the end of March but that can be changed to suit as well. Just keeping an eye on the situation and if it seems okay we will go. Last January was the first in the UK for around 12 years and it’s cold.

 

[Bluemooner]

We were due to get Ferry to Santander on the 6th but house sale has been delayed so will have to change it to later one, we went December last year and stayed 4 months

 

[pandas]

We were due out on the Portsmouth Cherbourg ferry on Boxing Day but now thinking about changing it to early January, we have the Brittany Ferries flexible tickets so it can be changed to within 4 hours of the ferry time. The return is also booked for the end of March but that can be changed to suit as well. Just keeping an eye on the situation and if it seems okay we will go. Last January was the first in the UK for around 12 years and it’s cold.

Some are saying that this will get worse in January particularly after the Christmas family gatherings.

 

[pandas]

The Booster vaccines are reported to be costing UK Gov £5 billion which is small beer compared against other COVID expenditures, and the £5 billion is after price increases of, IIRC, 25% by Pfizer and 10% by Moderna in response to 'market demand'. If there is 'no such thing as a free lunch', then the UK and other Governments could have saved money and lives [in that order], had they followed the operational and academic medics advice to get the vaccines out to the developing world, because as one Doctor said on Twitter about 3 months ago, 'If you were planning a campaign to produce multiple strands of a virus, you couldn't do better than follow the Developed World's example of hoarding the vaccines whilst giving free rein to the Virus to broaden its range of offerings for widespread killing and infection', as near to verbatim as I can recall his Tweet. Easy with hindsight, but that 'generosity' of vaccine donation would have repaid itself very quickly by the national economies remaining open and in near full production

Steve

Ahh another doctor tweeting

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[pandas]

Again, I don't necessarily disagree with that.

What I would like to see is poorer / developing nations provided with the vaccine - or the means to produce it - but it costs someone doesn't it??

In my naivety I think that us wealthy nations of the western developed world ought to see the 'human' benefit in doing this. We'd all be better off and safer.

Sadly politics, national agendas, and pharma-financials all take precedence.

I believe it is high on the UK Government and the World Health body agenda acknowledges that until everybody gets vaccinated w are never going to see a manageable reduction in the virus

 

[deleted79651]

I believe it is high on the UK Government and the World Health body agenda acknowledges that until everybody gets vaccinated w are never going to see a manageable reduction in the virus

Which is what I said in my post #40 which you quoted in Post #45 without really adding anything to the discussion

 

[pandas]

Which is what I said in my post #40 which you quoted in Post #45 without really adding anything to the discussion

As long as I have irritated you that’s good enough for me

 

[pandas]

As long as I have irritated you that’s good enough for me

Actually a bit harsh and I apologize maybe I just don’t like smart arse

 

[Kozikot]

Some are saying that this will get worse in January particularly after the Christmas family gatherings.

Don't listen to some, make your own assumptions, the same as the rest...too much he said/she said 3rd,4th,5th Party Scare mongering...

From someone who spent 4 months in Spain last Winter, and 89 Days this Winter, as I don't listen to some or All, but listen to my own mind, it's called being sensible and using a little common sense, it's that Simple...

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[autorouter]

The omicron variant currently has an R of just over 3. With previous restrictions it was doubling every couple of days. The current restrictions won't be enough to bring it back to 1, so further restrictions are on the cards. It depends on people taking precautions seriously and masking whenever there's possible contact. Not much chance of that happening, I reckon.

 

[ceejayt]

Is there any check when entering Spain by road from France?

 

[Bucket]

Regarding the original post, my view is we motorhomers are lucky, we are by definition isolated and if the worst happens we have a home on wheels to help us deal with the issue (assuming it's not serious of course). Our age range means we have all been double/triple jabbed (unless a refusnik or some reason not to be). Moreover, many of us are flexible on time frames so we will not have to return urgently if the rules change; or we can simply travel to a more convenient country if needs be.
We are determined to resume travelling next year, and will go whatever unless we are barred from all the places we want to enjoy (which is pretty well all of Europe). If the rules change when we are away we will deal with that as it happens.

 

[Clipgate]

Ever considered that testing has helped to spread a virus, look at the Japanese example.
Fear and control is our model, however the worm will turn when it becomes clearer and fear does not work.
Interesting times with history sprinkled with examples

 

[Ditcha]

Is there any check when entering Spain by road from France?

No none at the minute

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[The Wino]

I think the way the numbers changed today all travel plans are provisional

 

[jongood]

I think the way the numbers changed today all travel plans are provisional

I've been saying for ages that it isn't going away do we just need to learn to live with it. Hence I'm jabbed up, tested, documented and on my way to Spain. Yep some degree of lockdown is inevitable but whatever.

 

[PJGWiltshire]

we came back from Spain on the 10th November after 14 weeks away for our boosters then intended to return via Santander on the 7th December to see friends in Portugal for Christmas. Once the new strain broke we put back the sailing until 16th, Now have cancelled as its clear that the whole of Europe is going to have this tidle wave of covid over the coming weeks. What it will lead to with regard to any lock downs in Spain /Portugal mid January who knows? All i do know is that we are triple jabbed and we do not want to commit ourselves to visit friends then find out we are locked down on the Algarve in a motorhome for a few weeks with the option of paying through the nose to get back to UK. So all trips are off until we can see the outcome in three weeks or so. Hope everyone makes a balanced decision around being on the road over the coming weeks.

 

[Garfields]

I think the way the numbers changed today all travel plans are provisional

Not due to go for a month yet so should know more by then
Either we will be in lockdown or the effects of boosters and the new variant will be better than expected and things will be opening
I'm not doing any packing anytime soon though

 

[pampam]

if i had a motorhome (and no commitments)id be off to spain like a shot, in nice fresh air, occasional sunshine , in my own little isolation pod, mask wearing is compulsary (no shilly shallying) away from gloomy damp uk, id certainly feel safer : if you crave the sun then i would go for it, just keep yourself safe :and do what feels right for you,because the song entitled"enjoy yourself its later than you think" applies to me and probably a few others on here:
altho i must admit nearly all my life i thought it was referring to last orders at the bar lol

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