It's the whole of Schengen that the 90/180 applies.....what percentage of Brits come to Schengen for more than 90 days....and what percentage of Brits come to Schengen for one.two or three week holidays in the summer..
Phil
OK....all except the French.Get a Frenchman to spendpull the other one,,BUSBY.
And you've been here long enough to know there are rules about being smart arse.It was a genuine question that didn't need your injection of remainer/leaver/referendum rubbish. Please desist. Thanks
Haha, you should work for a government agency with your back of a fag packet, wildly inaccurate guesstimate .Last May I suggested some figures, showing that restricting motorhomers to 90 days MIGHT reduce Spain's economy by €30M pa (compared to their GDP of €95 000 000M). [ie 0.000032%]
Those figures RELY on 10 000Brits EACH spending €100 per day.
I don't know 10 000 British motorhomers who spend 90 days in Spain, let alone more than 90 days.
I don't know any British motorhomers who spend €100 per day in Spain, every day for 4 months.
So please get realistic: the size of the dent is minuscule based on my figures.
If someone can offer more accurate figures then please supply them so that we can see how important we are.
Gordon
Lets imagine that 10 000 Brit MHs normally go to Spain for the winter and spend €100 per day [is this stretching the imagination?]. That amounts to €1M per day.
Say they normally stay for 4 months = 120 days.
WHEN restricted to 90 days, Spain loses €30M.
In 2019 Spain's GDP was approx $1.4trillion. [approx €95 000 000M]
WHO thinks that amount will be significant, even given the loss to the economy caused by Covid-19?
For those who do, will it be sufficiently significant to go against every other Schengen country (except perhaps Portugal) and allow Brits to stay longer than every other third-country resident?
Reality needs to make an appearance at some point!
Gordon
Let’s be really accurate, my guess is 11 or more , but less than 999990.How do you know that it is wildly inaccurate?
I'm fairly sure that there are more than 100 but not as many as 100 000: do you agree?
Feel free to put any number you want into the calculation.
I suspect most will pay more than €10 per day: two of us averaged €20 (inc fuel & food) in 2018 but we spent most nights on aires. I don't imagine that very many spend €100 per day but perhaps some do.
BUT there is this belief that our value to the Spanish economy is significant and they will bend their rules in order to allow us to stay over 90 days. So I stuck in what I considered to be generous figures and got the numbers which I quoted. ie 0.000032% of GDP.
Last year I was criticised for being overly generous: clearly if we spend less than I have suggested then we have an even smaller effect!
Hopefully realism will dawn at some point.
Gordon
Perhaps July...
Enter your planned dates and previous stays in the Schengen calculator and it generates the 90 and 180 days automatically. If you travel jointly with an EU national [Irish Passport?], then ignore any stays when you are both together because they don't count for the purposes of the 90 and 180 days calulation.
Turkey,,Fab country,, look at Tread the Globe on You Tube...Visited a couple of times but watching Tread the Globe who have been stuck there for a year now shows what a beautiful country and how friendly the people are and if your into history and ruins well it will blow your mind. BUSBY.
Thank you.
The french go on holiday in July, That's why I said, June.
Spent three years in Turkey. Fabulous country for sailing. Great sightseeing. Generous people. And, I would think, almost unlimited opportunities for wild camping.
There was never any intention to suggest that you do not visit Turkey! The more visitors, the better it will be observed.
they are on holiday they spend money. 
I'm afraid your wrong. 
Bob.
Nothing at all rose tinted about my view of Turkey or of Mexico for that matter. I understand all of the above and accept that there isn't a lot I can do about it. But, as I said, and all I said, is that it wouldn't stop me from visiting, nor will it stop me from living in Mexico along with a couple million other expats despite all of the human rights issues in this country. It didn't stop me from visiting South Africa, Egypt, Sudan, Eritrea Yemen or a host of other places where human rights are not necessarily a top priority. In my view, it's always better to engage than disengage with questionable regimes.
But those sites and restaurants that stay open in the winter don't do it to provide a service ,,,they obviously make some money or they would not bother..When I was in haulage back load rates were terrible but every little helped, We snowbirds don't spend anywhere as much as those on their annual two week holiday but we do spend over a much longer period at a time when without us resorts and sites would be empty.. BUSBYBeing someone that lives in Spain and rents an apartment out for holiday rental, the people that spend money are here for a week or two, working people when times precious normally with a young family
Being a motorhomer since 2007 I can tell you that most motorhomers are a different breed, the ones that come long stay do not pay the premium prices for campsites in summer months, eat and drink out every day in restaurants when prices are high and so on.
If you feel winter discount campsites, cheap motorhome stops or free camping along with menu del dia and euro bars is spending money,
A lot of bars and restaurants don't even bother opening in the quite times, just like holiday rental is it really worth renting out in winter for €600 a month, when you can get more than that a week in low period.
When we stay here in summer we have to go somewhere cheaper, no way would we spend a fortune stopping on the coast in campsites or camperstops, you need more than a flexible friend to eat out without heading in land.
In the past the sites that have been Open have been full, and the restaurants those that make the effort are providing a service and yes great for us, but often think what you charge you can't make any money and just cover the overheads it keeps the staff, family run don't bother they open when money can be made.
it's not as if has that pitch is left empty for 3 months because your not there, you leave someone else comes and continue to do what you would have done. Snowbirds come in many nationalities. I think BUSBY. Bob.
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