Travel to Spain and Portugal for 6 months

[woodstock]

I do not understand why spanish people can come to uk for 6 months and we can only do 3 months crazy.

 

[jumartoo]

Just out of interest, if you had a 90 day limit, less travelling time, which months would you choose?
Personally I would do Jan, Feb, and a bit of March.
Phil

You could do Jan, Feb and the whole of March carefully counting to 90. Leap years might need a bit of adjustment).

If I still lived in the UK and wanted to travel in the EU (not wanting Xmas and New Year with family)., I'd do mid December to mid March.

Put up with some bad weather before I left, and then go home to spring

 

[jumartoo]

I do not understand why spanish people can come to uk for 6 months and we can only do 3 months crazy.

Because the British government could ALWAYS make their own rules!!

 

[spitfire]

It would mean treating the UK differently to all other countries. They won’t do that because they’re annoyed we left and it would set precedents

Not because they are annoyed but as you said every other country would want the same .

 

[jumartoo]

Not because they are annoyed but as you said every other country would want the same .

Exactly. These rules have been in place for almost 30 years for all other third countries. The UK have now slotted themselves into their space as a third country as was voted for

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[VXman]

Whats Morroco like for motorhoming? being twice to Fez and Marrakesh but not out of the cities. The wife hated Marrakesh because of the unwanted attention and hassle of market/street sellers.

Is it safe? Are there lots of campsites or is is just wild camping? Are they used to Europeans travelling the countryside?

 

[gus-lopez]

I do not understand why spanish people can come to uk for 6 months and we can only do 3 months crazy.

It has been explained countless times. The UK when in the EU took the easy way out in not wanting to 'register' people for residency after 3 months(90 consecutive days) so under EU rules offered 180 days as 'tourists' which as it offered 'greater benefits' to the citizen it was/is allowed. When brexit was enacted the UK was stuck with what they had offered previously.

 

[tonka]

Whats Morroco like for motorhoming? being twice to Fez and Marrakesh but not out of the cities. The wife hated Marrakesh because of the unwanted attention and hassle of market/street sellers.

Is it safe? Are there lots of campsites or is is just wild camping? Are they used to Europeans travelling the countryside?

Go read the threads that Fun members have posted on here about their annual trips.

We went in 2013/14. Enjoyed it thoroughly. The big places like Fez and Marrakesh are just big tourist traps, like someone going to London and saying they dont like England. Some of our best memories are in some of the small villages and away from the cities.

Bit of real life video watching here from a former member RIP Mr Motorhome.

https://www.youtube.com/user/mrandrewmanson/videos

 

[busby]

Whats Morroco like for motorhoming? being twice to Fez and Marrakesh but not out of the cities. The wife hated Marrakesh because of the unwanted attention and hassle of market/street sellers.

Is it safe? Are there lots of campsites or is is just wild camping? Are they used to Europeans travelling the countryside?

Safer than UK,,BUSBY.

 

[jumar]

Try and explain to our Spanish neighbours that you poor souls in the UK cannot come to Spain for 6 months anymore, and are restricted to only three months...they would fall about laughing.....no problem they would say....the Germans, French, Dutch and Scandinavian visitors can still come....most of them have loads of Euros to spend....

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[gradyp]

I've never been to Morroco and I love the idea of a couple of months France/Spain then a couple of months Morroco but I don't have the confidence of travelling through Morroco on my own.
I think there was a "Tour" of Morroco of like minded people a year or so back. Is there any interest of doing something like this for next winter , with hopefully experienced Morroco travels to give confidence to us virgin Morroco travellers ?
There maybe interested people

 

[Jenben]

By chance do either if you have parents who are from Ireland. If you do you are by birth Irish citizens and you can apply for an Irish passport. Straight forward and only cost me £90. If one of you have the other can apply for citizenship through marriage Hope that helps

I can easily apply for an Irish passport (as I have an Irish parent ) but my husband can only then apply for a passport through marriage if we legally reside in Ireland for a number of years before he applies.

 

[PJGWiltshire]

I've never been to Morroco and I love the idea of a couple of months France/Spain then a couple of months Morroco but I don't have the confidence of travelling through Morroco on my own.
I think there was a "Tour" of Morroco of like minded people a year or so back. Is there any interest of doing something like this for next winter , with hopefully experienced Morroco travels to give confidence to us virgin Morroco travellers ?
There maybe interested people

We have looked to go over and hope to get something together for 2Jan 2022. Read through the various posts around going. TerryL, a frequent visitor gives some great info and advice. From past observations it appears total newbies who want some assistance have tagged along with a few vans over the first few days/week. It appears very soon their degree of confidence gets up and the set off around on the own and in general bump into their fellow travellers later.

Nearer to the Autumn a Morocco post is generated and everyone dips in and from my reading end up meeting in Spain just before the off to get ferry tickets and from their plans are made.

So if you are interested in the trip get yourselves ready around vehicle insurance, health cover breakdown cover and th like.
I have been researching and have already found that Comfort Insurance are no longer providing 'Green Cards' for Morocco. Now have had a good quote from SAGA which does include Morocco Green card.

 

[PJGWiltshire]

I can easily apply for an Irish passport (as I have an Irish parent ) but my husband can only then apply for a passport through marriage if we legally reside in Ireland for a number of years before he applies.

I can only state that I was informed that obtaining citizenship through marriage would not be an issue. I did not need to follow up in detail as my wife holds an EU passport so it was not necessary so I never went into great detail on that point.

 

[The general]

I wonder how many people voted for Brexit and didn’t see this coming ?

There were more important things to think about than 90 days limit

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[busby]

Try and explain to our Spanish neighbours that you poor souls in the UK cannot come to Spain for 6 months anymore, and are restricted to only three months...they would fall about laughing.....no problem they would say....the Germans, French, Dutch and Scandinavian visitors can still come....most of them have loads of Euros to spend....

But they are all tight arses and don't spend like Brits BUSBY.

 

[spitfire]

But they are all tight arses and don't spend like Brits BUSBY.

Now how does that fit in with the FLT boasters on the forum ? Lol

 

[busby]

Now how does that fit in with the FLT boasters on the forum ? Lol

They are in a minorityBusby.

 

[Lynne Roy]

I've never been to Morroco and I love the idea of a couple of months France/Spain then a couple of months Morroco but I don't have the confidence of travelling through Morroco on my own.
I think there was a "Tour" of Morroco of like minded people a year or so back. Is there any interest of doing something like this for next winter , with hopefully experienced Morroco travels to give confidence to us virgin Morroco travellers ?
There maybe interested people

We feel the same so hope that we find company to go with the first time.

 

[gus-lopez]

I can easily apply for an Irish passport (as I have an Irish parent ) but my husband can only then apply for a passport through marriage if we legally reside in Ireland for a number of years before he applies.

Just for travel over 90 days he wouldn't Need anything just ok as spouse of an EU citizen if you get an Irish passport

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[Red Sonja]

By chance do either if you have parents who are from Ireland. If you do you are by birth Irish citizens and you can apply for an Irish passport. Straight forward and only cost me £90. If one of you have the other can apply for citizenship through marriage Hope that helps

We both have Irish passports as both our Fathers were Irish.

To get Irish citizenship through marriage isn't that easy. You have to be resident in Ireland for a certain period of time.

Both our children will be applying for irsh citizenship as well. This is a more costly solution as they have to register themselves as a foreign birth.

 

[DerryW]

By chance do either if you have parents who are from Ireland. If you do you are by birth Irish citizens and you can apply for an Irish passport. Straight forward and only cost me £90. If one of you have the other can apply for citizenship through marriage Hope that helps

Hi PJGW are you able to put a bit more meat on the bones regarding the process the "citizenship"

Thanks

 

[PJGWiltshire]

If either of your parents were born in Ireland (including Northern Ireland) by default you are an Irish citizen. You only need one of your parents Irish/ NI birth certificate, the marriage certificate (if appropriate) and your birth certificate to apply for a passport. You do not need to apply for citizenship.
You apply on line taking your own photo.Pay the fee then print off the form generated through the online process. You then get your identity documents certified along with the application form . You then send in original birth certificates/ marriage certificate with the certified forms.

Presently the Irish passport office do not want original documents sent prior to 4th April when it is anticipated that their lockdown will drop to stage 4. Then the passport office will reopen and process the passport.

When making enquires some time ago I was informed that if married your spouse could apply. I never researched this part as my wife holds an EU.
It appears that in this case there is mention that to go down this part of application you are required to have some time in residence in Northern Ireland or the State of Ireland

 

[deleted79651]

Good afternoon,
Having spoken to many like minded motorhomers over the years, now we have retired, we are wanting to travel to Spain and Portugal for 6 months from September for the winter period.
I do not understand the new rules since we removed ourselves from the EU.
Is there a way round this.
How can we simply do this.

If one of you has an Irish passport, you can do the 6 months within the EU as long as the Irish passport holder is present throughout. If that person has to return to UK [e.g. family emergency] then the British passport holder only has right to stay for the balance of the 90 days, IIRC. The EU clarified the arrangements about 2 weeks ago and published the Regs, along with several very helpful examples of how to calculate your stay. Link below



Specifics on page 17 para 2.1.2

Steve [UK Passport] & Elaine [she of the Irish Passport]

 

[deleted79651]

Whats Morroco like for motorhoming? being twice to Fez and Marrakesh but not out of the cities. The wife hated Marrakesh because of the unwanted attention and hassle of market/street sellers.

Is it safe? Are there lots of campsites or is is just wild camping? Are they used to Europeans travelling the countryside?

The old 'Round the Horne' Radio Show sketch, where a street trader approaches the rather 'Plummy mouthed' Mr Horne, screaming 'Dirty postcards, dirty postcards!' and Mr Horne replies in a world weary tone, 'It was no good, I had to sell him some ...'

Steve

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[PJGWiltshire]

If one of you has an Irish passport, you can do the 6 months within the EU as long as the Irish passport holder is present throughout. If that person has to return to UK [e.g. family emergency] then the British passport holder only has right to stay for the balance of the 90 days, IIRC. The EU clarified the arrangements about 2 weeks ago and published the Regs, along with several very helpful examples of how to calculate your stay. Link below



Specifics on page 17 para 2.1.2

Steve [UK Passport] & Elaine [she of the Irish Passport]

Indeed very useful

1. 2.1.2. In the case of third-country nationals who are family members of EU, EEA and CH citizens, they have the right of residence in a Member State for a period of up to
   

three months if they are in possession of a valid passport and are accompanying or joining the EU, EEA or CH citizen, without any limitation to 90 days in a 180-day period.
To be noted that, third-country nationals who are family members of EU, EEA and CH citizens are entitled to accompany or join the EU, EEA or CH citizen for consecutive periods of up to three months per Schengen States without any conditions or formalities (except the need to have a visa for third-country nationals from a country subject to a visa requirement).
. When the family member travels on his/her own, the normal regime concerning the length of the short stay will (re)start to apply, as the conditions for benefiting from the facilitations concerning the free movement of the EU, EEA and CH citizens and their families are not met anymore.
The previous stays performed in the area without internal border controls accompanying or joining the EU, EEA or CH citizen should not be taken into account for the sake of the calculation of the compliance with the 90/180-day rule which is applicable to the short stay only.
*Examples
An Indian national married to a French citizen may accompany his French spouse to Germany for three months, Spain for two months and Italy for three months, thus staying in the area without internal border controls for a total consecutive period of eight months.
A Japanese citizen is married with an Estonian citizen and has never come to the EU before. The Japanese citizen accompanies his Estonian spouse to Italy for one month. Just after that month, the Estonian spouse leaves Italy and returns to Japan to work. The Japanese citizen can remain alone for another 90 days (the limit of 90 days in any 180-day applies).
A Chinese citizen married to a Swedish citizen spends alone, for business purposes, 15 days in Austria. The Swedish citizen then joins him and they spend one month in Portugal. Just after that month, the Swedish spouse leaves the EU. The Chinese citizen can remain alone for the remaining 75 days in the 180-day period (the limit of 90 days in any 180-day
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period applies, but the stay performed together with the EU citizen should not be counted (in this example, the one month period) when assessing the respect of the limit of 90 days in any 180-day period.).

 

[busby]

My dad was born in Liverpool,,is that close enough for me to claim Irish ancestors ? BUSBY.

 

[deleted79651]

I can easily apply for an Irish passport (as I have an Irish parent ) but my husband can only then apply for a passport through marriage if we legally reside in Ireland for a number of years before he applies.

There is another method for you & hubby, without the problems you describe. Get yourself your Irish Passport then hubby can spend 180 days as an accompanying spouse. Of course, he has to behave himself to keep you 'onside', and you have to be present in the same country, otherwise he reverts to 90 days in any 180 days entitlement.



Steve

PS Edit; I should have added that the specific part of the Regs is on Page 17 at para 2.1.2 and that PJG Wiltshire has posted the entire text #56 in reply to my earlier post #54. Apologies for any confusion.

 

[jumar]

My dad was born in Liverpool,,is that close enough for me to claim Irish ancestors ? BUSBY.

I was Born in Birmingham....perhaps I better skip this.....

 

[deleted79651]

I was Born in Birmingham....perhaps I better skip this.....

I was born in Stourbridge, and being Black Country, rather than a Brummie, I had the sense to marry a Scot who is half Irish [except when Sunday follows Friday, in which case it's Leap Year ...]. Damn; got my tongue wedged firmly in my teeth now ...

Steve

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