Train weight !

[confused.com]

Any advice here is appreciated.

Looking to buy a motorhome 3.5 T but with something that has an overall train weight north of 6 tonne.

Unfortunately I have the new style cornflake licence.

 

[chaser]

Don't know if it's been said as I haven't read it all, but I gave up my 7.5 licence whatever it's called when I was 70 but I can still drive a 3.5 ton motor and pull another 3.5 trailer, so in effect 7 tonne providing the trailer weight is up to it.

 

[RandallC]

Don't know if it's been said as I haven't read it all, but I gave up my 7.5 licence whatever it's called when I was 70 but I can still drive a 3.5 ton motor and pull another 3.5 trailer, so in effect 7 tonne providing the trailer weight is up to it.

Perhaps you might like to consider the NFU view.

https://www.nfuonline.com/cross-sec...-news/driving-after-70-what-you-need-to-know/

or

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/travel-hobbies/driving/

or

check what your entitled to drive.

https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence

 

[Mikeco]

Don't know if it's been said as I haven't read it all, but I gave up my 7.5 licence whatever it's called when I was 70 but I can still drive a 3.5 ton motor and pull another 3.5 trailer, so in effect 7 tonne providing the trailer weight is up to it.

This is correct except that you can tow any size trailer as long as its within the towing vehicle limits.

 

[chaser]

Perhaps you might like to consider the NFU view.

https://www.nfuonline.com/cross-sec...-news/driving-after-70-what-you-need-to-know/

or

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/travel-hobbies/driving/

or

check what your entitled to drive.

https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence

Don't see anything to stop me there, nfu know how old I am but still insure me for 10 tractors

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[chaser]

Don't see anything to stop me there, nfu know how old I am but still insure me for 10 tractors

Plus I don't think the 3.5 ton trailer comes into it with a tractor.

 

[RandallC]

Plus I don't think the 3.5 ton trailer comes into it with a tractor.

Ok so have you checked on the gov website what your licence actually says you can drive?

NFU will insure your tractors for use on your land once you are on a public highway that's another thing don't you think?

 

[chaser]

Ok so have you checked on the gov website what your licence actually says you can drive?

NFU will insure your tractors for use on your land once you are on a public highway that's another thing don't you think?

All it says is fill the form in that they send you, which I have done, what more can I do?

 

[chaser]

Why do folks on here look for problems that don't exist, do they think everyone else is an idiot

 

[2657]

Why do folks on here look for problems that don't exist, do they think everyone else is an idiot

Because mostly they are..... except for me

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[RandallC]

Because mostly they are..... except for me

Some folks are reluctant want to hear answers and comments that don't fit with their view.

Sorry obviously wrongly assumed we were having a reasonable discussion on the why's and wherefores.

Oh well!

 

[2657]

Some folks are reluctant want to hear answers and comments that don't fit with their view.

Sorry obviously wrongly assumed we were having a reasonable discussion on the why's and wherefores.

Oh well!

Have you had a sense of humour removal?
A reasonable discussion usually involves a certain level of knowledge about the topic being discussed.

 

[RandallC]

Have you had a sense of humour removal?
A reasonable discussion usually involves a certain level of knowledge about the topic being discussed.

I rest my case.

Thank you.

 

[tacr2man]

Bit slow out of the traps there see post#5

Just trying to get back to proper answer , due some of the inaccuracy that was creeping in

 

[denisejoe]

Train weight doesn’t come into it unless he wants to tow a trailer which he hasn’t said but if he did he could only tow 750 kg or lower the motorhome weight and add the difference to the trailer but any motorhome that is 3.5 tons and over 6ton train weight would have no capacity for anyth other than a driver it sounds like a motorhome has been downrated

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[gus-lopez]

Don't know if it's been said as I haven't read it all, but I gave up my 7.5 licence whatever it's called when I was 70 but I can still drive a 3.5 ton motor and pull another 3.5 trailer, so in effect 7 tonne providing the trailer weight is up to it.

No you can't ,Once C1 has been given up you are B+E vehidle up to 3,5T + 750 kg trailer OR a trailer over 750kgs but then the towing vehicle & train weight is a maximum of 3,5T total train weight.
nothing to do with tractors they come under agricultural vehicles

 

[Jamesh]

No you can't ,Once C1 has been given up you are B+E vehidle up to 3,5T + 750 kg trailer OR a trailer over 750kgs but then the towing vehicle & train weight is a maximum of 3,5T total train weight.
nothing to do with tractors they come under agricultural vehicles

B+E allows 3.5t +3.5t 7t gtw.

B allows 3.5t gtw.

Which does 70+ give you?

Cheers James

 

[Itsmcb]

Well if the OP wasn't confused.com before, they will be now

 

[Mikeco]

No you can't ,Once C1 has been given up you are B+E vehidle up to 3,5T + 750 kg trailer OR a trailer over 750kgs but then the towing vehicle & train weight is a maximum of 3,5T total train weight.
nothing to do with tractors they come under agricultural vehicles

Yes he can, any tuggers over 70 will be doing so with B + E , I towed my car on a trailer to Spain also on a B + E licence. It’s very clear on the gov. website .

 

[EuroTrotters]

Practically - Most 3500kgs motorhomes with a 2500kgs trailer behind would be a bit of a nightmare to drive, if you are looking to tow a big heavy trailer you either need a bigger Mh with twin RWD or a 4x4.

It might help if you stated the purpose, is it a race car or similar?

Mercedes Sprinter with 3.5t factory tow pack. I’m looking at ordering one. But no Automatic gearboxes available until 2022

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[chaser]

A bit late now but this is what you can drive.

Driving licence categories

Driving licence categories - entitlements on your licence and what vehicles you can drive - cars, motorcycles, mopeds, medium and large lorries, minibuses and buses.

www.gov.uk

 

[Peter Beeston]

There can also be some restrictions on towing with a C1E license (I got mine from pre-97). My licence has a restriction code on the C1E (79(=<8250KG)) that limits me to a maximum train weight of 8250Kg.

 

[RandallC]

Seems I was wrong and offer apologies for my mistaken understanding of the Confusing licence entitlements

Having checked against wife’s licence who hasn’t retained her C1 entitlement, she has, BE, which says when you view on the gov website your licence.

• BE, Description​

  You can drive vehicles up to 3,500kg Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) with up to 8 passenger seats and a driver with a trailer weighing up to 3,500kg.

The link posted by Chaser above shows the category entitlements. The wording in Chasers link for BE is slightly different.

Does the difference in wording re licence trailer weight dependent on issued date, mean that a licence renewed at 70 after 19/01/2013 are considered new in this respect even if your original licence was issued many years before then.

Suggest to be sure check the included categories against the list provided by Chaser or use the link below to view your licence on line.

https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence

 

[denisejoe]

Don't know if it's been said as I haven't read it all, but I gave up my 7.5 licence whatever it's called when I was 70 but I can still drive a 3.5 ton motor and pull another 3.5 trailer, so in effect 7 tonne providing the trailer weight is up to it.

At 3.5 tons you can pull 750 kgs a larger trailer with a combined vehicle and trailer combined max mass of 3.5 tons

 

[Mikeco]

At 3.5 tons you can pull 750 kgs a larger trailer with a combined vehicle and trailer combined max mass of 3.5 tons

I suggest you read the post answers otherwise we will have to start again as you are not right.

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[Peter Beeston]

Please state which category of licence you are talking about:
B : up to 3500kg vehicle with 750kg trailer or MAM 3500kg.
BE : up to 3500kg vehicle and up to 3500kg trailer.

 

[gus-lopez]

B+E allows 3.5t +3.5t 7t gtw.

B allows 3.5t gtw.

Which does 70+ give you?

Cheers James

Yes sorry I've lost the plot * sorry I htought I posted this hours ago.

 

[denisejoe]

I suggest you read the post answers otherwise we will have to start again as you are not right.

This is for a B licence which the OP Said he had,if you had a B_E licence and gave it up you go to the new b licence

 

[Peter Beeston]

There is no new B category. BE is an extension to the B category to cover towing large trailers to exceed the 3500kg limit. Are you getting confused with the C1/C1E licence, which is lost at 70, unless you request to keep it and pass a medical. The B/BE is not lost at 70.

 

[chaser]

There is no new B category. BE is an extension to the B category to cover towing large trailers to exceed the 3500kg limit. Are you getting confused with the C1/C1E licence, which is lost at 70, unless you request to keep it and pass a medical. The B/BE is not lost at 70.

Don't know how this thread can keep coming up with arguments to this.
If you have BE, you can drive anything up to 3.5 plus if your train weight on your vehicle is above this you can pull a trailer up to that weight, providing of course if your trailer is up to it.
Also applys to caravans.
That's it.
If you only have B then yes it limits you to 750 trailer.
Being over 70 makes no odds to that.

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[RandallC]

Don't know how this thread can keep coming up with arguments to this.
If you have BE, you can drive anything up to 3.5 plus if your train weight on your vehicle is above this you can pull a trailer up to that weight, providing of course if your trailer is up to it.
Also applys to caravans.
That's it.
If you only have B then yes it limits you to 750 trailer.
Being over 70 makes no odds to that.

Think the thread has legs due to the lack of clarity in the licence categories and depending on if you notice the significant difference between categories B & BE.

However how is it reconciled that a +70 (test prior to 1997) losses C1 to drive a vehicle (lets not get into how much) over 3500kg but retains a BE which allows a gross train of 7000KG?