Track and trace yes or no

[Langtoftlad]

They do that every time they update OS. But the claim was a covid tracker has been installed without your permission. It hasn't but the OS has had capabilities added to it to enable such a tracker to work - if and when one is added by you later. If you don't want to load the app then don't.

It was done outwith the normal update schedule, when you agree to the t&c's.
I'm well aware it's not an "app" but it is a global alteration to the OS for government purposes... Ive never heard of such a covert software change before.
I'm not saying it's bad... just possibly unique.

 

[The Coops]

Trace and track is complete Bollo*ks every time you use your phone you are traced as to where you are , even if you press all the right buttons it makes sod all difference to you. Like it or not if the *Govt* or any other interested party want to know they can tell you, where you have been. what you looked at , who you e mailed and even how fast you were driving on the road,! What they don't tell you is that they have the ability to do that! Even if you go *incognito* they know where you are .................How do you think you get bombarded with spoof calls or enquiries along the lines of * I noticed you were looking at ?* Every single thing you do via a mobile is trackable. Use landlines and accept that you are being monitored, if you don't believe me try tigger words such as ..thinmgs do do woith bumbs and exerplosions extera ( spealy wrong on purpose! ) they are re directed to the GCHQ or CIA ( things to do with,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,) And I am well aware that someone in GCHQ may e looking at this !

 

[sweetie]

At Dobbies garden centre Huntingdon when using restaurant just ask if you mind giving phone number so if covid is reported when you have been there you can be informed and should isolate. No problem

 

[barsteward]

I have nothing to hide, but do object to the fact that the government ordered all phone companies to send out an update to the operating system that includes a Covid tracker a few weeks back. I prefer to opt in or even an option to opt out, but that has not been offered

Unfortunately the human race being what it is you find some parts of all generations have no conception of their neighbours well being so I suspect it falls upon the state to enforce it in anyway that they deem necessary.
I too feel I have nothing to hide apart from my financial information so would have no fear indeed I would welcome a track and trace app if there was a working one available

 

[GWAYGWAY]

Just turn off the bloody thing unless you want to use it.

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[barsteward]

You can't do anything about it. It is part of the OS.

Unless its an opensource operating system such as Linage which gives you the option to turn off tracking unless the app is in use, of course I can only take the developers word for that as I am not at all clever so I may be led up the garden path.

i do however believe that these collaborative open source organisations are far more trustworthy than the likes of Google , Amazon and Microsoft.

 

[MattR]

Unless its an opensource operating system such as Linage which gives you the option to turn off tracking unless the app is in use, of course I can only take the developers word for that as I am not at all clever so I may be led up the garden path.

i do however believe that these collaborative open source organisations are far more trustworthy than the likes of Google and Amazon and Microsoft.

I wouldn't worry about it.

Location services can be restricted with Android devices. Most of the apps I use have location allowed for when the app is in use only.

 

[barsteward]

I wouldn't worry about it.

Location services can be restricted with Android devices. Most of the apps I use have location allowed for when the app is in use only.

I don't mate I've got nothing left to steal the successive governments have managed to do that for me over the last 53 years.

 

[Spriddler]

It was very simple and quick in an I O Wight pub last week. Just one person of our bubble of three was required to text the landlord's mobile in case future follow-up would be necessary.
No ledgers or shared biros etc. to be sanitised.

 

[steve 6644]

I always leave my name and address at home.

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[Deep Owl]

One pub in Charmouth wrote down our name and address (the wife gave him our real one), the other one had a notice saying please download such and such an app or similar. Everyone I saw walked straight past it!

Anyway, if asked, I will be William Foster - Michael Douglas in Falling Down.

And I didn’t wear a mask initially in Tesco on Saturday, but put it on 20 yards into the shop, having written “1984” on it. The earnest young woman at the door was very keen to tell me the police could fine me £100 as it was mandatory. I thought, if they only give my street a crime number when 5 houses had the lead ripped off our bay windows.... But then again, it would be easier to arrest me than a pie-key.

 

[olley]

As I understand it all the time your phone is on they can estimate your position by triangulation between masts, even if your in the back of beyond and there's only one mast that still gives a radius of where your likely to be.

 

[Rosemary1]

Unfortunately the human race being what it is you find some parts of all generations have no conception of their neighbours well being so I suspect it falls upon the state to enforce it in anyway that they deem necessary.
I too feel I have nothing to hide apart from my financial information so would have no fear indeed I would welcome a track and trace app if there was a working one available

I think that is the point to me - if an effective working one was available. If it actually was confirmed that the cases were all followed up properly. If it definitely was safe and secure from hacking and was not used for anything else, then I too would be more than happy to download it.

At the moment I will just keep to the strict rules, wear my mask and leave details whenever required but understand different people have different ideas and you could argue neither is right or wrong

 

[gus-lopez]

if an effective working one was available. If it actually was confirmed that the cases were all followed up properly. If it definitely was safe and secure from hacking and was not used for anything else, then I too would be more than happy to download it.

You don't want much ,do you ?

 

[GerTee]

I am an NHS Test and Trace clinician and there is no official government app to download. Just give your details at the pub/restaurant as is now required. They will keep your details for 21 days only.

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[Mr porky]

I am an NHS Test and Trace clinician and there is no official government app to download. Just give your details at the pub/restaurant as is now required. They will keep your details for 21 days only.

So what did the staff mean I had to download an app. Very confused. im more than happy to give my details but I’m just not trusting an app I dont know about from a third party source.

 

[Burstnerite]

Visited a local church weekend before last and was asked for my name and address which I gave. It wasn't until I got home I realized no note was made of when I arrived and left. This has happened to us now at several other places. So if someone is identified positive, how can anyone know I hadn't been and gone before they'd even arrived ? Have I missed something or what ?

 

[MattR]

So what did the staff mean I had to download an app. Very confused. im more than happy to give my details but I’m just not trusting an app I dont know about from a third party source.

Apps like this are being used by hospitality venues to facilitate communication with guests if they need to check warned about possible infections. A bit like a time stamped guest book that will register guests and allow the administrator to contact all guests that were there within a time frame.

Eg.

http://covid-alert.co.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAjw9vn4BRBaEiwAh0muDLyGxdG3y6mUOzTkv9r2cVv27kD587sU7dEWEFCrpt4WoQci5YyljhoCInMQAvD_BwE

They are not the same as apps that track your close contact with others

 

[Mr porky]

Apps like this are being used by hospitality venues to facilitate communication with guests if they need to check warned about possible infections. A bit like a time stamped guest book that will register guests and allow the administrator to contact all guests that were there within a time frame.

Eg.

http://covid-alert.co.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAjw9vn4BRBaEiwAh0muDLyGxdG3y6mUOzTkv9r2cVv27kD587sU7dEWEFCrpt4WoQci5YyljhoCInMQAvD_BwE

They are not the same as apps that track your close contact with others

Thank you. It just goes to show how a simple Miscommunication between a staff member and a customer can lose business.
what they were offering is a digital pen and paper system.
makes sense now.

 

[Molly A]

Funny, how the word 'track' has got in to the lexicon, when the Government's scheme is called 'Test and Trace' .

And if it's a Government recommended app, I wouldn't have any hesitation using it. Whilst I don't want my personal financial security compromised, I don't have anything else particularly significant to hide...

Then you won't mind all your personal data being given to the likes of Cambridge Analytica , or your health details being given to American healthcare companies when the NHS is dismantled. Good luck with that.

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[Molly A]

From the outset it was 'Test,track & trace' They dropped the track part as they couldn't get it to work.

Given the total inefficiency of the test and trace bit too, they will struggle to find a new name for it!

 

[mikebeaches]

Then you won't mind all your personal data being given to the likes of Cambridge Analytica , or your health details being given to American healthcare companies when the NHS is dismantled. Good luck with that.

Why would I?

What is it that they are going to do with any information that should be such a concern to me?

I genuinely do not understand what the hang-up is?

But I'm ready to be enlightened...

 

[hblewett]

If you have nothing to hide why would you worry about being tracked and traced?

Why would you not want to help to minimise the chances of this virus breaking out across the country/world and hopefully avoid further lockdowns?

Why do you think the authorities don’t know what you’re up to anyway? If you have a phone and a bank card you can forget any ideas of being under the radar.

Try watching the series ‘Hunted’ - no doubt available on catchup - that will show you how easily you can be traced if they really want to find you.

 

[Ian Bosman]

All Joking apart about "paranoia". I too would be wary of any Tracking, but then I have had a bad experience with a Tracking App. Finished up getting all sorts of Advertising CRAP. So now it is permanently turned OFF. I rarely load a new app but when/if I do the first thing I do is turn any location Off. Only put it on IF I use said app. On i-phone there is a facilty to only turn tracking on when the app is in use?

The point about track and trace is that the NHS can contact you if you unknowingly have been in contact with a Covid19 infected person by phone. A matter of which would you rather have?

 

[Ian Bosman]

The point about track and trace is that the NHS can contact you if you unknowingly have been in contact with a Covid19 infected person by phone. A matter of which would you rather have?

Having just completed the Risk Assessment of opening our church, you would be politely asked to leave if you refused to leave us your contact details as it protects not only you but us also - ie it is a two way thing.

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[mikebeaches]

Molly A said:

Then you won't mind all your personal data being given to the likes of Cambridge Analytica , or your health details being given to American healthcare companies when the NHS is dismantled. Good luck with that.

Why would I?

What is it that they are going to do with any information that should be such a concern to me?

I genuinely do not understand what the hang-up is?

But I'm ready to be enlightened...

More than 24 hours on and the response is deafening?

I really would appreciate further insight as to exactly why I should be concerned about my information being available, with the exception of personal financial security.

What is the big fear?

 

[gus-lopez]

Why would I?

What is it that they are going to do with any information that should be such a concern to me?

I genuinely do not understand what the hang-up is?

But I'm ready to be enlightened...

would you want scum like this having all sorts of personal details?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica

If you have nothing to hide why would you worry about being tracked and traced?

Edward Snowden: "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." "When you say, ‘I have nothing to hide,’ you’re saying, ‘I don’t care about this right.’ You’re saying, ‘I don’t have this right, because I’ve got to the point where I have to justify it.’ The way rights work is, the government has to justify its intrusion into your rights.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

 

[Ian Bosman]

I domwonder where the likes of MollyA gets this about the NHS being dismantled. I think that if you wanted a full scale revolution in the UK that would trigger it. Track and Trace is name and phone number which all we at our church will require.

 

[ShaKen]

The app the pub was referring to might not be a Gov. app.

I was at a bistro last week and they wanted everyone to log contact details on a website (instead of them writing it down on a bit of paper).

 

[mikebeaches]

would you want scum like this having all sorts of personal details?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica

I'm afraid Cambridge Analytica (the story of which I followed in the media at the time), or any other such organisation doesn't cause me PERSONAL concern.

I read the info in the Wiki link, and I accept their business practices were highly questionable.

But it hasn't been explained WHY it should be a worry to me if they have my information?

I hope I'm not being unduly thick...

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