Tourists caught emptying motorhome toilets into Loch Rannoch

[bobandjanie]

Go on thenwhat is a CLUDGIE for us southerners

Very good I like that, ? keeping it local. ? Bob.

 

[Richard the medic]

Wikipedia got it right my grandparents had a cludgie out the back had to use a torch in the night as no electricity outside. Absolutely freezing in the winter.

 

[nicholsong]

Wikipedia got it right my grandparents had a cludgie out the back had to use a torch in the night as no electricity outside. Absolutely freezing in the winter.

I rented a cottage in a lovely setting in Church Square, Rye.

It had a 'cludgie' out the back and a bath in the rafters

Well it was built in Medieval Times...
......so appropriate for the aircraft I was flying at the time.

Both f-f-f-f-. freezing for most of the year.

 

[Herbyventures]

Getting back to the thread, someone once said to me, that Travellers caravans do not have toilets. The reference therefore is they use the bushes, possibly next to the clothes lines. Does anyone know for sure or just a rumour?
Is there a difference between a Traveller and a Gypsy. I always understood that Gypsy's came from the Indian sub continent and travelling through Arabia, became nomads and Arabs. A branch or sect went to Romania, and thence the romantic, Italian singing etc of wanderer. Not so much in England, but then onto the folk singing Irish. As in 'The gypsy rover came over the hill' etc.
As a child ( probably about 1955 via the Dublin-Liverpool Ferry). I remember a very large contingent of horse drawn gypsy caravans staying on the common at Runcorn, camp fires, singing - fiddle and banjo. After a few days they had gone, and not a single sign that they had been there.
So from what era, or time does the Irish sect ( many born in England now) originate. Common sense says it must be post war. The Transit towing vans etc. Tarmaccers and shop sign painters.Is there any books on this subject, as knowledge is all, and history very helpful, in avoiding general accusations.
Finally, does Europe view Motorhomers, as a new wave of those unpaying, free loading travelling people. If so, councils have every right to protect their town folk first.
Incidentally, Belgium has by law forbidden any camping anywhere without an advanced booking.

In the Stowmarket Museum of East Anglian Life there is a room dedicated to the Travellers who used to work on East Anglian Farms seasonally. Some examples of van art etc, quite interesting. However, re Europe - from what I have seen in Scandinavia, Motorhomes are hugely popular and widely used. Everyone in Scandinavia who possibly can gets outdoors somehow in the summer, camping, hiking, staying in 'Hutte', boating etc. Motor Homes are seen as just part of the summer scene. Maybe it's similar to the attitudes to motorbikes. Still viewed as a bit suspect in the UK, but on the Continent, regarded as a respectable means of transport. In Germany they fall over themselves to welcome bikers. We stopped at a small town on the Harz mountains one day a few years ago, about 20 of us, overwhelmed their tiny cafe, but they insisted they could serve us all and did so with a smile. There is still a photo of us all in the town square with our bikes on the village website! I venture to suggest this would never happen, in the UK!