Toll roads

[68c]

Don't think the little box needs a window.

 

[gus-lopez]

Don't think the little box needs a window.

Piece of lead sheet. Job done

 

[pappajohn]

Mark my words..... VED will be added to electric cars once ICE car production is discontinued.
Future governments will be no different to today's government...... Anything goes when it comes to raising revenue.

 

[Northernraider]

A load of explosives under Westminster would be the best way forward.

 

[raysalaugh]

A load of explosives under Westminster would be the best way forward.

Have you got a guy in mind?.

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[Pausim]

Have you got a guy in mind?.

There is probably a computer the size of Wembley Stadium under GCHQ which pinged twice when #64 registered on the internet and they might very well have a guy in mind for an early morning visit.

 

[raysalaugh]

There is probably a computer the size of Wembley Stadium under GCHQ which pinged twice when #64 registered on the internet and they might very well have a guy in mind for an early morning visit.

Well Tam wont give a Fawkes about that.

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

Still no guarantee than anything more than 25% of the current take on road fund licence actually ending up repairing our disintegrating road network. It's still more to do with charging, just, below the threshold of what would get the popular red top press hot under the collar. But, the rate on hover boards will remain lower for the foreseeable "back to the future".
Mike

 

[bobnick]

Have you got a guy in mind?.

The only guy for transport Minister is our good friend Mr Jeremy Clarkson

 

[BILL 875]

l believe the Hull Ferry has gone or it’s going.

Only the Zeebrugge ferry Rotterdam will stay i believe.

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[SpeedyDux]

Still no guarantee than anything more than 25% of the current take on road fund licence actually ending up repairing our disintegrating road network. It's still more to do with charging, just, below the threshold of what would get the popular red top press hot under the collar. But, the rate on hover boards will remain lower for the foreseeable "back to the future".
Mike

I am beginning to think that road pricing / tolls is part of a pattern of policies intended to force people to make fewer and shorter private car journeys. Banning the sale of new ICE cars from 2030 (2035 for hybrids) likewise will lead to an eventual steep drop in private car ownership as old ICE cars get scrapped. Few of those on low incomes, and country dwellers, who today drive more miles than urban dwellers, and can only afford to drive ICE bangers, will be able to afford an EV. These marginal motorists will lose their transport autonomy and would depend on bicycles and buses. The divide between haves and have-nots will widen.

EVs as the people's car of the future is a propaganda con trick similar to the original Volkswagen beetle one pulled on the Germans in the 1930s by Hitler, because very few Germans ever managed to own one and getting one was like a lottery win. EVs will effectively be the transport of the better off social classes, and the disabled.

There has been comparatively little investment by the State in road infrastructure since the 1980s. The current road network is at higher traffic capacity than it was designed for. One benefit of a shift to taxation by road pricing, and banning sales of new ICE cars, would be a declining demand for road investment and maintenance despite the rise in population especially in South East England. HM Treasury is hoping for that saving.

Look at the trends and political direction of travel. This includes more Smart Motorways. Working from home. Overcrowded commuter trains and tubes despite Covid. Newbuilds with Planning restrictions that mean fewer parking spaces than dwellings. Other measures such as very high parking charges in towns and cities, blanket 20 mph zones, LEZ andd ULEZ, Residents Parking Zones with expensive Permits, choke points on approach roads to create congestion; all are designed to deter private car journeys into towns and cities.

Finally: beware The Great Reset and Building Back Better. Find out what they really mean for you, behind that PR slogan.

 

[joe and sue]

I am beginning to think that road pricing / tolls is part of a pattern of policies intended to force people to make fewer and shorter private car journeys. Banning the sale of new ICE cars from 2030 (2035 for hybrids) likewise will lead to an eventual steep drop in private car ownership as old ICE cars get scrapped. Few of those on low incomes, and country dwellers, who today drive more miles than urban dwellers, and can only afford to drive ICE bangers, will be able to afford an EV. These marginal motorists will lose their transport autonomy and would depend on bicycles and buses. The divide between haves and have-nots will widen.

EVs as the people's car of the future is a propaganda con trick similar to the original Volkswagen beetle one pulled on the Germans in the 1930s by Hitler, because very few Germans ever managed to own one and getting one was like a lottery win. EVs will effectively be the transport of the better off social classes, and the disabled.

There has been comparatively little investment by the State in road infrastructure since the 1980s. The current road network is at higher traffic capacity than it was designed for. One benefit of a shift to taxation by road pricing, and banning sales of new ICE cars, would be a declining demand for road investment and maintenance despite the rise in population especially in South East England. HM Treasury is hoping for that saving.

Look at the trends and political direction of travel. This includes more Smart Motorways. Working from home. Overcrowded commuter trains and tubes despite Covid. Newbuilds with Planning restrictions that mean fewer parking spaces than dwellings. Other measures such as very high parking charges in towns and cities, blanket 20 mph zones, LEZ andd ULEZ, Residents Parking Zones with expensive Permits, choke points on approach roads to create congestion; all are designed to deter private car journeys into towns and cities.

Finally: beware The Great Reset and Building Back Better. Find out what they really mean for you, behind that PR slogan.

That all paints a picture in my mind of the Chinese way of life !!

 

[2x2camper]

Mark my words..... VED will be added to electric cars once ICE car production is discontinued.
Future governments will be no different to today's government...... Anything goes when it comes to raising revenue.

Have you got any better ways of raising revenue? Cause we are going to need it

 

[2x2camper]

I am beginning to think that road pricing / tolls is part of a pattern of policies intended to force people to make fewer and shorter private car journeys. Banning the sale of new ICE cars from 2030 (2035 for hybrids) likewise will lead to an eventual steep drop in private car ownership as old ICE cars get scrapped. Few of those on low incomes, and country dwellers, who today drive more miles than urban dwellers, and can only afford to drive ICE bangers, will be able to afford an EV. These marginal motorists will lose their transport autonomy and would depend on bicycles and buses. The divide between haves and have-nots will widen.

EVs as the people's car of the future is a propaganda con trick similar to the original Volkswagen beetle one pulled on the Germans in the 1930s by Hitler, because very few Germans ever managed to own one and getting one was like a lottery win. EVs will effectively be the transport of the better off social classes, and the disabled.

There has been comparatively little investment by the State in road infrastructure since the 1980s. The current road network is at higher traffic capacity than it was designed for. One benefit of a shift to taxation by road pricing, and banning sales of new ICE cars, would be a declining demand for road investment and maintenance despite the rise in population especially in South East England. HM Treasury is hoping for that saving.

Look at the trends and political direction of travel. This includes more Smart Motorways. Working from home. Overcrowded commuter trains and tubes despite Covid. Newbuilds with Planning restrictions that mean fewer parking spaces than dwellings. Other measures such as very high parking charges in towns and cities, blanket 20 mph zones, LEZ andd ULEZ, Residents Parking Zones with expensive Permits, choke points on approach roads to create congestion; all are designed to deter private car journeys into towns and cities.

Finally: beware The Great Reset and Building Back Better. Find out what they really mean for you, behind that PR slogan.

Surely making more journeys under your own steam is better then using up the earths resources. There are far too many short journeys because it is too easy to jump into a car to go a few hundred yards to a shop.

How would you lose your transport autonomy just because you can't drive a where you want, you link bikes and public transport to wealth, rather than choice.

There should be less investment in roads and more funds pumped into other means of transport, big road schemes should be the thing of the past as they just encourage more vehicles onto the roads.

 

[joe and sue]

Have you got any better ways of raising revenue? Cause we are going to need it

The point i was making is that there is currently no VED on electrics to entice people to buy them, then when most people have them suddenly there will be VED as well as road charging / tolls,
Revenue needs to be raised from al areas like the tax exiles and companies who evade it every opportunity. not just the easy targets like motorists and the general working people whose income is taxed at source, not years later after every loophole has been exploited.

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[2x2camper]

The point i was making is that there is currently no VED on electrics to entice people to buy them, then when most people have them suddenly there will be VED as well as road charging / tolls,
Revenue needs to be raised from al areas like the tax exiles and companies who evade it every opportunity. not just the easy targets like motorists and the general working people whose income is taxed at source, not years later after every loophole has been exploited.

Well of course there will be taxes on electric vehicles as they will be almost the only ones eventually.

Of course really we need to travel less, or at least not use powered transport.

Do companies evade tax or is it just the tax system. I work for a company that does not pay corporation tax in other countries quite legally as that is the way the world tax system is set up. You have to ask, do we gain more than we loose by the system, its not just about the big boys.

 

[nicholsong]

Do companies evade tax or is it just the tax system. I work for a company that does not pay corporation tax in other countries quite legally as that is the way the world tax system is set up. You have to ask, do we gain more than we loose by the system, its not just about the big boys.

Not only companies but individuals also.

I do not pay tax in Poland. I evade it because I pay all my tax in UK.

Why do I evade it? Because the UK government says I must pay tax in UK because of the type of income it is, and they can get to the assets more easily than the Polish government.

That is an example of the way the international tax system works as 2x2 says.

As a result I pay less tax and I am evading tax by the laws that each country works by, as do other people and companies.

Anybody who does not agree with the world tax system is welcome to try to change it.

Geoff

 

[SpeedyDux]

Surely making more journeys under your own steam is better then using up the earths resources. There are far too many short journeys because it is too easy to jump into a car to go a few hundred yards to a shop.

How would you lose your transport autonomy just because you can't drive a where you want, you link bikes and public transport to wealth, rather than choice.

There should be less investment in roads and more funds pumped into other means of transport, big road schemes should be the thing of the past as they just encourage more vehicles onto the roads.

1. Easy for you to walk to a shop perhaps, but presumably you don't have physical impairments and won't struggle to bring heavy shopping bags home. Do you want to scrap the Blue Badge scheme and Motability while you are at it?

2. My point was about the medium to long term future and the regressive impact of current green transport policy on individual freedom. Obviously the low income segments of society will be the ones to do the CO2 emission reductions so the elites won't have to. Did you see the speech by HRH Charles to the World Economic Forum in Davos? He is totally on board with The Great Reset because it preserves the privileged position of the House of Windsor. Meanwhile the rest of the UK will be going in the opposite direction to China which is currently progressing from a bicycling society to mass car ownership.

3. Unless your aim is to stop ordinary working people from walking further than the next village without a pass from their local Kommisar, there is a crying need to invest in better road infrastructure for the future. EVs and 3rd world roads are not the solution. The UK's population is probably at least 80 million today and has to use roads that were designed for a population of about 50 million. It has been suggested that the UK can accommodate 180 million people as part of the NWO. How exactly is that going to work ... ?

 

[bobnick]

Population of GB at the mo is nearer 65 mil.

For decades them in #10 have known public transport and our roads systems are abysmal and they should invest more in them.
Decades from now we will be saying the exact same thing............nothing changes, they cannot, read will not keep pace.

 

[2x2camper]

1. Easy for you to walk to a shop perhaps, but presumably you don't have physical impairments and won't struggle to bring heavy shopping bags home. Do you want to scrap the Blue Badge scheme and Motability while you are at it?

2. My point was about the medium to long term future and the regressive impact of current green transport policy on individual freedom. Obviously the low income segments of society will be the ones to do the CO2 emission reductions so the elites won't have to. Did you see the speech by HRH Charles to the World Economic Forum in Davos? He is totally on board with The Great Reset because it preserves the privileged position of the House of Windsor. Meanwhile the rest of the UK will be going in the opposite direction to China which is currently progressing from a bicycling society to mass car ownership.

3. Unless your aim is to stop ordinary working people from walking further than the next village without a pass from their local Kommisar, there is a crying need to invest in better road infrastructure for the future. EVs and 3rd world roads are not the solution. The UK's population is probably at least 80 million today and has to use roads that were designed for a population of about 50 million. It has been suggested that the UK can accommodate 180 million people as part of the NWO. How exactly is that going to work ... ?

Of allowance have to be made for people who genuinely can't managed under their own steam, but we should not get side tracked by it.

The last thing we need is more roads, it just attracts more traffic.

What we need is schemes to get traffic off the roads.

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[SpeedyDux]

Population of GB at the mo is nearer 65 mil.

For decades them in #10 have known public transport and our roads systems are abysmal and they should invest more in them.
Decades from now we will be saying the exact same thing............nothing changes, they cannot, read will not keep pace.

66 million was the ONS estimate for June 2017, but the fact is that even the ONS doesn't really know because the Government stopped keeping track of the numbers coming in and out of the UK. The information on net migration nowadays is based on small sample surveys at airports.

If you go by new NI numbers issued, as well as estimates made by major supermarkets as the basis for their forward planning as given to the HoC Select Committee, the better view becomes a UK population figure in the mid-to-high 80 millions. By 2030 that number could be closer to 100 million.

I concur with your other points.

 

[joe and sue]

Of allowance have to be made for people who genuinely can't managed under their own steam, but we should not get side tracked by it.

The last thing we need is more roads, it just attracts more traffic.

What we need is schemes to get traffic off the roads.

So show some commitment, get rid of your camper and / or car, motor bike,
Please let us all know how you get on, and what type of holidays you will be taking, because flying is not eco friendly and trains / busses will not get those of us who enjoy the MH way of life to the places we like to be .

 

[2x2camper]

So show some commitment, get rid of your camper and / or car, motor bike,
Please let us all know how you get on, and what type of holidays you will be taking, because flying is not eco friendly and trains / busses will not get those of us who enjoy the MH way of life to the places we like to be .

Oh I am quite aware that its a bit hypocritical, but I could get rid of the Motorhome and continue with the cycling holidays we have done for the past few years.

In reality it not the motorhome journeys that are the real problem but the 30 mile commute I used to do each way before Covid. I would love to be able to live close enough to work to be able to cycle.

The thing about planning is not to let your owning bias get in the way of doing the right thing. As a society we need to reduce motor vehicle use as we will end up tarmacing over even more large areas of the countryside.

 

[BILL 875]

I would just love to have tarmac on some of the roads we already have then more roads after that.