The DVSA/VOSA have agreed to exempt the vehile from a Tacho or/and speed limiter.But wheel trims are to be removed !!.

[triky]

SO ,,at last i have my Mo=Ho legal !! As of 21/6/22. Having been turned away from my normal class 4 MOT on the 19th of may ,due to the", NEW LEGISLATION " being inducted into vehicle tests .I was informed that now ,any vehicle over 3.500Kgs, that has a " Garage Space " or space that could/can be used as carrying a Car/Motorcycle/Shetland Pony !! ?? ?? etc ,MUST now apply for HGV status !! The application forms " VTG1 " five pages can be downloaded from the DVSA website in Swansea ,or sent to you by post.The cost for those is £91.00. After sending in to Swansea ( with photo's ) of the vehicle and , space ,and after considerable time ,they will advise you as to an approved testing station in your area ,for you to book an" HGV1/TGV1 "test.My test centre charged £141.16 including 'Lane Fee !! Be prepared for numerous phone calls (on hold) and emails too with no doubt answers to your queries, which in my case went through five different departments (DVLA/DVSA/VOSA .)SO,,,in all around £250.00 !! Unfortunately ,if you want an additional mode of mobility ,you have to comply !!

 

[jongood]

Hi Jongood. Maybe when your next test comes up ,they could catch you also ?? As this is NEW LEGISLATION !! As for CPC ,i have everything on my licence including HGV1 (C1e/Ce/D1e/De.There are only 3 items left off A1/A2/&De.
As a retired MOT-ADI & IAM member ,been driving since i was 12 (private land ) First time pass at 17,i don't think i need any more qualifications at my age .On my forth Mo-Ho since 1972 & and the " Concorde" is probably my last .So,,whatever it takes to keep me in my own space ,in my own time ,,,so be it !!

No thoughts that you should ask a different tester then?

I also have all my HGV tickets and still work as an artic driver when I'm not away hence the driver cpc quip. As for new legislation, I've heard this before and checked it and its not for PRIVATELY operated motorhomes, if it was we would all need O licences etc., if there' a new bit why not link to it?

 

[pappajohn]

As already said, VOSA is the enforcement agency while DVLA is the registration agency.
VOSA are there to uphold/enforce the law that DVLA produce.
If DVLA decide to register a motorbike as a bus there's nothing VOSA can do about it

 

[gus-lopez]

Round and round in circles !!!

The previous yhread was the same. VTG1 isn't new legislation. It is first application for an hgv test. As you were told on your previous thread you should have fronted them up, refused and insisted on class 4 same as everyone else + used another testing station.

 

[triky]

Round and round in circles !!!

Yes ,round & round in circles .that's what i 've been doing for over a month. Trying to get the problem sorted !!
My apologies for only posting what info' i have BUT ,BUT if any of you " keyboard Warriors " can get into the DVSA to once & for all clarify the situation ,then please do !! With my limited computer skills i apologise ,but had to go with their say so .

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[Langtoftlad]

Yes ,round & round in circles .that's what i 've been doing for over a month. Trying to get the problem sorted !!
My apologies for only posting what info' i have BUT ,BUT if any of you " keyboard Warriors " can get into the DVSA to once & for all clarify the situation ,then please do !! With my limited computer skills i apologise ,but had to go with their say so .

Sorry, we don't need to clarify anything as most of us are happy to have a class 4 test.

 

[RedFrame]

Yes ,round & round in circles .that's what i 've been doing for over a month. Trying to get the problem sorted !!
My apologies for only posting what info' i have BUT ,BUT if any of you " keyboard Warriors " can get into the DVSA to once & for all clarify the situation ,then please do !! With my limited computer skills i apologise ,but had to go with their say so .

Not entirely sure this is true.

You could have asked the question here  before you spoke to the DVSA and went down that Rabbit hole.

You may like to call us "Keyboard Warriors" ( I find that offensive by the way), but there is a lot of collective knowledge here and it's given freely.

Personally I'll take my van ( 3850Kg Garage and all) to Keith in September, he'll inspect it and nothing will change.

You however seem to have created an issue for yourself when you come to sell your van as you will have to declare to a potential buyer it's status.

Cheers
Red.

 

[Two on Tour]

Yes ,round & round in circles .that's what i 've been doing for over a month. Trying to get the problem sorted !!
My apologies for only posting what info' i have BUT ,BUT if any of you " keyboard Warriors " can get into the DVSA to once & for all clarify the situation ,then please do !! With my limited computer skills i apologise ,but had to go with their say so .

I don't see any keyboard warriors, but what I do see is quite rightly, Funsters questioning someone who appears to come across as scaremongering with a claim that they can not back up with evidence and was more than a little shy on the background in their opening post. I also see that you were less than convincing with your attempt at the same on the CAMC forum the other day.

 

[nicholsong]

Yes ,round & round in circles .that's what i 've been doing for over a month. Trying to get the problem sorted !!
My apologies for only posting what info' i have BUT ,BUT if any of you " keyboard Warriors " can get into the DVSA to once & for all clarify the situation ,then please do !! With my limited computer skills i apologise ,but had to go with their say so .

DVLA and DVSA are both agencies of Dft, their sponsoring Government Department.

Write to the Minister for Transport and copy in Legal Department at 2 Marsham St. Also copy in your MP.

 

[pappajohn]

Yes ,round & round in circles .that's what i 've been doing for over a month. Trying to get the problem sorted !!
My apologies for only posting what info' i have BUT ,BUT if any of you " keyboard Warriors " can get into the DVSA to once & for all clarify the situation ,then please do !! With my limited computer skills i apologise ,but had to go with their say so .

If DVSA (VOSA) are anything like DVLA you'll get 10 different answers from 10 different desk jockeys.

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[peterc10]

Sorry, we don't need to clarify anything as most of us are happy to have a class 4 test.

Yep. My 4500kg motorhome has been MOT tested as class 4 by different testing stations and in each time there was a scooter in the garage. The latest tester (who also serviced it) must have known about the scooter given that they watched me unload it from the garage so that they could give it an MOT test as well.

BTW neither DVLA or VOSA can enact new legislation. All they can do is abide by the relevant legislation.

 

[tacr2man]

No new legislation Its all down to interpretation , Carrying a car in a vehicle over 3500kg (so HGV ) falls foul of s192 RTA 88 probably pushed the envelope too far so HGV test as is classed as a "living van" . CPC only needed for hire and reward. Living van normally requires Tacho , and limiter , many such vehicles used by fairground types .
PS VOSA became DVSA several years back 2013 when DSA and VOSA merged .

 

[jongood]

Yes ,round & round in circles .that's what i 've been doing for over a month. Trying to get the problem sorted !!
My apologies for only posting what info' i have BUT ,BUT if any of you " keyboard Warriors " can get into the DVSA to once & for all clarify the situation ,then please do !! With my limited computer skills i apologise ,but had to go with their say so .

I gain a lot from this forum but to be able to benefit from this kind of forum you need to be capable of accepting help and perhaps questioning yourself not just others.

 

[olley]

My RV passed Mot class 4 two weeks ago, 9.3 tons. No problem.

 

[RedFrame]

No new legislation Its all down to interpretation , Carrying a car in a vehicle over 3500kg (so HGV ) falls foul of s192 RTA 88 probably pushed the envelope too far so HGV test as is classed as a "living van" . CPC only needed for hire and reward. Living van normally requires Tacho , and limiter , many such vehicles used by fairground types .

So, if it's classed as a "living van", would the insurance need to reflect this... I.e. "full time"???

Cheers
Red

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[tacr2man]

So, if it's classed as a "living van", would the insurance need to reflect this... I.e. "full time"???

Cheers
Red

AFAIK there is no occupancy duration requirement in definition of living van .

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Yes ,round & round in circles .that's what i 've been doing for over a month. Trying to get the problem sorted !!
My apologies for only posting what info' i have BUT ,BUT if any of you " keyboard Warriors " can get into the DVSA to once & for all clarify the situation ,then please do !! With my limited computer skills i apologise ,but had to go with their say so .

my van with a large garage was tested as a class 4 by the Mercedes Truck and van place a couple of weeks ago. No mention of this new legislation then either

 

[gus-lopez]

You could have asked the question here  before you spoke to the DVSA and went down that Rabbit hole.

There was a previous thread were most of this was mentioned before dvsavosadvla were contacted

 

[nabsim]

Yes ,round & round in circles .that's what i 've been doing for over a month. Trying to get the problem sorted !!
My apologies for only posting what info' i have BUT ,BUT if any of you " keyboard Warriors " can get into the DVSA to once & for all clarify the situation ,then please do !! With my limited computer skills i apologise ,but had to go with their say so .

I went through this about 7/8 months ago with a mate. The test station were insisting his converted DAF45 horse box had to be tested as an HGV, he very nearly gave in but I kept on insisting it is a motorhome Class4. Eventually management at the test station rang DVLA (who you need for MOT info) and were told it was Class 4, the tester didn’t believe the management and spent some time on the phone. End result was my mate has a Class4 MOT and Sailsbury bus station now know better

Present as a motorhome and stick to it, change test place if necessary

 

[nicholsong]

I went through this about 7/8 months ago with a mate. The test station were insisting his converted DAF45 horse box had to be tested as an HGV, he very nearly gave in but I kept on insisting it is a motorhome Class4. Eventually management at the test station rang DVLA (who you need for MOT info) and were told it was Class 4, the tester didn’t believe the management and spent some time on the phone. End result was my mate has a Class4 MOT and Sailsbury bus station now know better

Present as a motorhome and stick to it, change test place if necessary

I suggest the test station rang DVSA not DVLA as it is DVSA who authorise and control MOT Test Syations.

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[68c]

I once had a tester refuse to MOT my motorcycle sidecar outfit as it had modified wheels to accept car tyres, more grip as of course combos do not lean. He showed me his book which clearly stated car tyres cannot be fitted to a motorcycle. A call to DVSA who agreed that only applied to a solo bike. By then I had already tested at another station without problem. Did show the DVSA reply to the original tester who did not show much interest.

 

[JockandRita]

triky. Our 6850Kgs Iveco based N+B Flair was tested at Boston HGV Testing Station as a Class 4.

There is a Concorde Charisma just 2 x pitches up from me, with a car in the rear garage, and it too is a Motorcaravan, ie, Class 4.

We can't all be wrong, and I do believe you've been had, unfortunately.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[Minxy]

There was a previous thread were most of this was mentioned before dvsavosadvla were contacted

Can you give a link please, I've got my popcorn ready.

 

[Speve]

Can you give a link please, I've got my popcorn ready.

If you put triky in the search box it will come up

 

[nicholsong]

triky

Have you read this, because it seems to have the definitive VOSA(now DVSA) quotes that you need to settle the argument

MOTs for motorhomes

Answers to many frequently asked questions about motorhomes and their use.

www.ukmotorhomes.net

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[RedFrame]

triky.
There is a Concorde Charisma just 2 x pitches up from me, with a car in the rear garage, and it too is a Motorcaravan, ie, Class 4.

We can't all be wrong, and I do believe you've been had, unfortunately.

Cheers,

Jock.

I'm not sure he has JockandRita , I'm getting the feeling that rather than the MOT station bringing the issue up, the OP did, in some way, wanting to prove he's right... Just a feeling...

Cheers
Red.

 

[triky]

triky

Have you read this, because it seems to have the definitive VOSA(now DVSA) quotes that you need to settle the argument

MOTs for motorhomes

Answers to many frequently asked questions about motorhomes and their use.

www.ukmotorhomes.net

Thanks 'Nicholsong.That all it seems is a few years back .My original .Class 4 test station brought all this up ,as refusing to test There again as RedFrame intimates ,I'm not trying to prove that I am right ,just that the situation has created an awful lot of ambiguity .Many thanks to ALL the posts on this subject from "YES or NO " .I bow to those " IN THE KNOW " ,and those who might be benefited from the posts.

 

[Minxy]

If you put triky in the search box it will come up

Tried that earlier, nothing obvious came up, giz a clue!

 

[nabsim]

I suggest the test station rang DVSA not DVLA as it is DVSA who authorise and control MOT Test Syations.

I accept that, my memory does do some funny things and it was my mate who told me who they rang. I was just pushing him to make a stand. Thank you for the correction

 

[Speve]

Minxy You need to read down a page or two but I believe this is the thread.
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[Minxy]

Minxy You need to read down a page or two but I believe this is the thread.
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Strewth, no wonder I couldn't find it with that title!