The DVSA/VOSA have agreed to exempt the vehile from a Tacho or/and speed limiter.But wheel trims are to be removed !!.

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SO ,,at last i have my Mo=Ho legal !! As of 21/6/22. Having been turned away from my normal class 4 MOT on the 19th of may ,due to the", NEW LEGISLATION " being inducted into vehicle tests .I was informed that now ,any vehicle over 3.500Kgs, that has a " Garage Space " or space that could/can be used as carrying a Car/Motorcycle/Shetland Pony !! ?? ?? etc ,MUST now apply for HGV status !! The application forms " VTG1 " five pages can be downloaded from the DVSA website in Swansea ,or sent to you by post.The cost for those is £91.00. After sending in to Swansea ( with photo's ) of the vehicle and , space ,and after considerable time ,they will advise you as to an approved testing station in your area ,for you to book an" HGV1/TGV1 "test.My test centre charged £141.16 including 'Lane Fee !! Be prepared for numerous phone calls (on hold) and emails too with no doubt answers to your queries, which in my case went through five different departments (DVLA/DVSA/VOSA .)SO,,,in all around £250.00 !! Unfortunately ,if you want an additional mode of mobility ,you have to comply !!
 
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triky said:
Concorde Charisma two with Smart . 7.2 ton DVSA ---- <HGVTech@dvsa.gov.uk.
classed as a " live in" vehicle & subject to VTG1 test
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But it would only be classed as a "Live in Vehicle" if the Smart was being used for commercial purposes.
Failing that why not just take the car out for the MOT.
 
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triky said:
Concorde Charisma two with Smart . 7.2 ton DVSA ---- <HGVTech@dvsa.gov.uk.
classed as a " live in" vehicle & subject to VTG1 test
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If I read the information correctly if you admit to carrying goods?🤔
Nice bit of kit bye the way👍 Bit to long for my driveway though😂
 
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Lenny HB said:
But it would only be classed as a "Live in Vehicle" if the Smart was being used for commercial purposes.
Failing that why not just take the car out for the MOT.
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Exactly, I have seen issues where bikes, motorbikes have resulted in refusal. I don’t have a garage on mine but lots of external storage including one locker I could stand a motorcycle up in (not that I could lift one in or want one on end) but none of my lockers have ever been opened on MOT. Do you not have to tell them you are carrying a vehicle or have it on display for them to know? I thought at most they ask and you say you only carry what you need in the van?

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Ah,it all becomes clear now,maybe you should have put that photo in your first post,well as clear as the DVSA ever can be 🙂
 
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But as I see it the OP's statement of "I was informed that now ,any vehicle over 3.500Kgs, that has a " Garage Space " or space that could/can be used as carrying a Car/Motorcycle/Shetland Pony !! ?? ?? etc ,MUST now apply for HGV status !!" is garbage unless you transporting goods for business purposes. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Two on Tour said:
But as I see it the OP's statement of "I was informed that now ,any vehicle over 3.500Kgs, that has a " Garage Space " or space that could/can be used as carrying a Car/Motorcycle/Shetland Pony !! ?? ?? etc ,MUST now apply for HGV status !!" is garbage unless you transporting goods for business purposes. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Most of us with vans over 3500kg already have PHGV status I believe🤔
 
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Lenny HB said:
But it would only be classed as a "Live in Vehicle" if the Smart was being used for commercial purposes.
Failing that why not just take the car out for the MOT.
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Not according to section 192 rta 😠

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Speve said:
According to his avatar he has a Concord Charisma11🤔
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And looking at the pictures he provided, my suspicion that it is more like a racetruck than a motorhome as we would envision it was confirmed.

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triky said:
:unsure:Concorde Charisma two with Smart . 7.2 ton DVSA ---- <HGVTech@dvsa.gov.uk.
classed as a " live in" vehicle & subject to VTG1 test
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You re still wrong, its not really your fault, the legislation is a little fuzzy and your tester has interpretted it incorrectly.

Mines over a tonne heavier with a scooter garage and a tacho but still Class 4 and no requirement to use the tacho or fit a limiter as theses are required only for hire or reward.

Maybe as you ve had the classification changed you should really consider a driver CPC? :LOL::LOL:
 
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rb62 said:
Not according to section 192 rta 😠

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Reading that it does make sense however it’s a bit of a concern that they mention Motorhomes over 3500 kg I wonder if this is going to apply to all newly registered PHGV s and hopefully not retrospectively?🤔
If you read further on that very long winded letter it does say that it is up to the owner when presenting for an MOT that it does not carry goods and that will be accepted?
Although there is a lot of ambiguity in the the script of VOSAs letter🤔
 
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nabsim said:
Just to add, while it should be tested as a Class 4 MOT you may have to search round for a test place that can accommodate the size and weight of a given vehicle
I don’t think they wee allowed to look inside closed lockers/garage but may be wrong on that. In any event remove motorcycle from vehicle before test to be safe. I once left my handcycle on the bike rack not thinking but didn’t have a problem. There has been a clause about vans carrying things before it isn’t new.
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Got that issue with the Le Voyageur. Loads of truck and van places around here with either a pit or a big enough ramp to actually carry out the MOT but only the Mercedes truck and van centre has permission to carry out class 4.
 
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rb62 said:
Not according to section 192 rta 😠

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That is not an official site & someone has got their knickers crossed. If that was the case nearly every Motorhome over 3500kg is running illegally.

Section 192 is "General interpretation of Act." nothing to do with MOT's or Live in vans.
 
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Hi Jongood. Maybe when your next test comes up ,they could catch you also ?? As this is NEW LEGISLATION !! As for CPC ,i have everything on my licence including HGV1 (C1e/Ce/D1e/De.There are only 3 items left off A1/A2/&De.
As a retired MOT-ADI & IAM member ,been driving since i was 12 (private land ) First time pass at 17,i don't think i need any more qualifications at my age .On my forth Mo-Ho since 1972 & and the " Concorde" is probably my last .So,,whatever it takes to keep me in my own space ,in my own time ,,,so be it !!

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Lenny HB said:
That is not an official site & someone has got their knickers crossed. If that was the case nearly every Motorhome over 3500kg is running illegally.

Section 192 is "General interpretation of Act." nothing to do with MOT's or Live in vans.
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It was a recored of correspondence with DVSA/VOSA,but as you say different people will interpret things in different ways and he seems to have been the only one caught out in five years!
 
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rb62 said:
It was a recored of correspondence with DVSA/VOSA,but as you say different people will interpret things in different ways and he seems to have been the only one caught out in five years!
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" NEW LEGISLATION " !!
 
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rb62 said:
It was a recored of correspondence with DVSA/VOSA,but as you say different people will interpret things in different ways and he seems to have been the only one caught out in five years!
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Or in the absence of any 'New Legislation' maybe the advice offered on the ukmotorhomes.net webpage from 2016 wasn't followed:

"It now seems that it is up to the motorhome owner to declare to the Testing Station whether their vehicle is used to carry goods. If a declaration is made that goods are not carried, then the vehicle will be accepted as a motorhome and be subject to a Class IV test every year from 3 years old."

Maybe an own goal? (Or at least an assist). :unsure:

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rb62 said:
Not according to section 192 rta 😠

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Quite a laughable interpretation really, 'goods' are generally merchantable items as opposed to personal possessions; using their interpretation carrying a mobile phone or a pair of sunglasses would fall under 'goods' as neither are necessary for the residence function of a motor caravan!
 
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Another point if it is classed as a "Live in Vehicle" it will need a test every year after the first year of registration.
 
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Lenny HB said:
Another point if it is classed as a "Live in Vehicle" it will need a test every year after the first year of registration.
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And who would want that foisted on them?

I can’t help but think that if the OP was correct in his assertion that ‘New Legislation’ was now in force for every over 3500kg van with a garage, that the trade and owners would have been busting a gasket, and the magazines full of it. Looks more likely self-inflicted aggro to me.
 
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triky said:
Hi Jongood. Maybe when your next test comes up ,they could catch you also ?? As this is NEW LEGISLATION !! As for CPC ,i have everything on my licence including HGV1 (C1e/Ce/D1e/De.There are only 3 items left off A1/A2/&De.
As a retired MOT-ADI & IAM member ,been driving since i was 12 (private land ) First time pass at 17,i don't think i need any more qualifications at my age .On my forth Mo-Ho since 1972 & and the " Concorde" is probably my last .So,,whatever it takes to keep me in my own space ,in my own time ,,,so be it !!
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Yeah..., no..., driver CPC will not show on your licence..., it's a separate card.

If driving a HGV your going to need to spend Five, boring, days in a Classroom every Five years... :unsure: :rolleyes:

Cheers
Red.
 
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The actual legislation provides a more realist description of motor caravan, it has been around since 1979.

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And Nottingham number (0115) will normally have a 9 as the next number not a 6 ???
 
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