Tam and Toby ~~ Hunting Zorba .....Take two.

jongood said:
Quite agree people get far too fixated on MPG, the only figure that matters is can you afford to do what you re doing in it. the difference of a few mpg on a motorhome is

have you worked out what you would spend in a year? somewhere between 5-10,00 pa at 17mpg or 25mpg, its not as much as you might think.

Lets go for 7500 ( We did a lot, 4 Morocco trips, lots of Spain, Italy, Czech Islands etc and still averaged this.

7500 at 25mpg =300 gallons -1255 litres at an average of £1.15 ( less if you go to Morocco etc) £1443 pa

7500 at 17mpg = 441 litres = 2007 litres = £2308 - difference of £865. Less than a years depreciation for most people.
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Yeah to be honest as i dont use campsites etc my 2 biggest expenses is fuel and food so i can't complain.

Not decided what ill be replacing toby with yet ....ive plenty time to decide as not home for months yet ...but mpg wont be the deciding factor
 
jongood said:
Quite agree people get far too fixated on MPG, the only figure that matters is can you afford to do what you re doing in it. the difference of a few mpg on a motorhome is

have you worked out what you would spend in a year? somewhere between 5-10,00 pa at 17mpg or 25mpg, its not as much as you might think.

Lets go for 7500 ( We did a lot, 4 Morocco trips, lots of Spain, Italy, Czech Islands etc and still averaged this.

7500 at 25mpg =300 gallons -1255 litres at an average of £1.15 ( less if you go to Morocco etc) £1443 pa

7500 at 17mpg = 441 litres = 2007 litres = £2308 - difference of £865. Less than a years depreciation for most people.
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We used to average 3miles per litre in ours on a good day. =13,62mpg.o_O Not a problem when someone is paying for it (y) Not good if paying yourself.
If you are going to run something with that consumption then you need a reasonable sized fuel tank.
I've run 2 vehicles with high & very high consumption & unfortunately both only had 45 litre tanks .The Mitsubishi mpv that I drove down here averaged 17mpg & within 1 hour of filling you had to start looking for fuel as it would empty the tank every 2 hours.

I don't think I can go back to low mpg figures after this van doing high 30's early 40's.
 
Its not as simple as initial mpg difference as when I was running my Damon RV (14mpg) I used to also calculate gallons per ton/mile , which makes quite a difference ! :) I would also save on sightseeing as being able to carry a large scooter on rear i could travel around an area some distance away quite cheaply .
Saved money on not needing laundromat as it had a full size washer dryer .
 
jongood said:
have you worked out what you would spend in a year? somewhere between 5-10,00 pa at 17mpg or 25mpg, its not as much as you might think.

Lets go for 7500 ( We did a lot, 4 Morocco trips, lots of Spain, Italy, Czech Islands etc and still averaged this.

7500 at 25mpg =300 gallons -1255 litres at an average of £1.15 ( less if you go to Morocco etc) £1443 pa

7500 at 17mpg = 441 litres = 2007 litres = £2308 - difference of £865. Less than a years depreciation for most people.
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Whilst some folk are in a position not to worry about the odd £865, there are others that is the difference between going away or staying at home

You cannot compare on going running cost with with depreciation on money already spent.. I could afford to but a pretty derelict old manor house .. I could over time proly make it quite liveable .. But I could not afford to actually live in it !
Living cost/ running costs are not the same as a lump sum outlay as lump sum outlays are made when they can be afforded and are not an absolute must
Having a van that does low mpg would mean not using it much.. I would really love a decent sized RV, but could never afford the running costs, even though the purchase would be cheaper than our present van

Most folk buy their vans when they felt they could afford them, and I would guess the vast majority buy 2nd hand so the depreciation is markedly lower any way

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Jaws said:
Whilst some folk are in a position not to worry about the odd £865, there are others that is the difference between going away or staying at home

You cannot compare on going running cost with with depreciation on money already spent.. I could afford to but a pretty derelict old manor house .. I could over time proly make it quite liveable .. But I could not afford to actually live in it !
Living cost/ running costs are not the same as a lump sum outlay as lump sum outlays are made when they can be afforded and are not an absolute must
Having a van that does low mpg would mean not using it much.. I would really love a decent sized RV, but could never afford the running costs, even though the purchase would be cheaper than our present van

Most folk buy their vans when they felt they could afford them, and I would guess the vast majority buy 2nd hand so the depreciation is markedly lower any way
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There is also the environment to consider! Old polluting engines with very low mpg isn't great and possibility of being restricted with where you can go in them...
 
Helen Ariel said:
There is also the environment to consider! Old polluting engines with very low mpg isn't great and possibility of being restricted with where you can go in them...
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Usually only restricted for cities which i rarely go to.

I will always buy older vehicles than newer ones as they are better built.

Whilst they still produce modern cars with big gas guzzling engines mostly used by the people in power telling us we should all be more conscious i dont see their arguments for polution to be fair.
 
I’ve been taking on board your remarks regarding vans , looks like I’m now looking for a new van after constant comformattic problems , going to downsize to 7.5m L & 3m H
 
Scotch mist said:
I’ve been taking on board your remarks regarding vans , looks like I’m now looking for a new van after constant comformattic problems , going to downsize to 7.5m L & 3m H
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Yeah i find 7 metre perfect length .....i quite fancied an auto but not sure i want the problems of one.

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Jaws said:
Whilst some folk are in a position not to worry about the odd £865, there are others that is the difference between going away or staying at home

You cannot compare on going running cost with with depreciation on money already spent.. I could afford to but a pretty derelict old manor house .. I could over time proly make it quite liveable .. But I could not afford to actually live in it !
Living cost/ running costs are not the same as a lump sum outlay as lump sum outlays are made when they can be afforded and are not an absolute must
Having a van that does low mpg would mean not using it much.. I would really love a decent sized RV, but could never afford the running costs, even though the purchase would be cheaper than our present van

Most folk buy their vans when they felt they could afford them, and I would guess the vast majority buy 2nd hand so the depreciation is markedly lower any way
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Run an Rv on lpg?
 
tacr2man said:
Its not as simple as initial mpg difference as when I was running my Damon RV (14mpg) I used to also calculate gallons per ton/mile , which makes quite a difference ! :) I would also save on sightseeing as being able to carry a large scooter on rear i could travel around an area some distance away quite cheaply .
Saved money on not needing laundromat as it had a full size washer dryer .
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What is the van you have now?
Is it the truck in your avatar?
 
Northernraider said:
Usually only restricted for cities which i rarely go to.

I will always buy older vehicles than newer ones as they are better built.

Whilst they still produce modern cars with big gas guzzling engines mostly used by the people in power telling us we should all be more conscious i dont see their arguments for polution to be fair.
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I think that's rather cynical. Modern cars are being made cleaner and more efficient all the time and passing mots with polluting engines gets harder. Things are changing like it or not so better to get on board with it now and future proof. It's so noticeable when you are stuck driving behind an old vehicle now as even with cabin filters the stench is dreadful. Air pollution is a big killer so worth trying to do your best to avoid adding to it. Saying that i did have a 1971 vw camper for a while in my 20's!
 
Helen Ariel said:
I think that's rather cynical. Modern cars are being made cleaner and more efficient all the time and passing mots with polluting engines gets harder. Things are changing like it or not so better to get on board with it now and future proof. It's so noticeable when you are stuck driving behind an old vehicle now as even with cabin filters the stench is dreadful. Air pollution is a big killer so worth trying to do your best to avoid adding to it. Saying that i did have a 1971 vw camper for a while in my 20's!
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Cynical perhaps but im of the belief that these days theres absolutely no need for a 5 litre diesel engine in an audi or indeed for all these yuppy SUV type 4x4 that will never see off road.

Till all that stops ill remain cynical im afraid.

IF they really wanted to stop pollution they would simply ban production of these .....as it stands they simply make them more expensive to run which has zero effect on people who can afford to run them.

Also it seems the uk is one of the only countries within the EU where diesel is more expensive than petrol

I wouldn't for instance buy an american rv with a 6 litre diesel engine when i can buy every bit as good a van on a euro 3 litre diesel engine
But if i decide to buy a 4x4 truck its because i want to use it places a 2 wheel drive motor home cant go

Ive had many 4x4 in the past but i used them off road ....as soon as i didnt they were sold


My current 2004 hymer gets better mpg than my 2008 frankia got yet is apparently more polluting .....despite using less fuel to cover the same distance.


Theres also the argument of the oldest most polluting vehicles being excempt from mot and ved because they are classed as historic


Really it just doesn't make a lot of sense in my book.
 
Northernraider said:
Cynical perhaps but im of the belief that these days theres absolutely no need for a 5 litre diesel engine in an audi or indeed for all these yuppy SUV type 4x4 that will never see off road.

Till all that stops ill remain cynical im afraid.

IF they really wanted to stop pollution they would simply ban production of these .....as it stands they simply make them more expensive to run which has zero effect on people who can afford to run them.

Also it seems the uk is one of the only countries within the EU where diesel is more expensive than petrol

I wouldn't for instance buy an american rv with a 6 litre diesel engine when i can buy every bit as good a van on a euro 3 litre diesel engine
But if i decide to buy a 4x4 truck its because i want to use it places a 2 wheel drive motor home cant go

Ive had many 4x4 in the past but i used them off road ....as soon as i didnt they were sold


My current 2004 hymer gets better mpg than my 2008 frankia got yet is apparently more polluting .....despite using less fuel to cover the same distance.


Theres also the argument of the oldest most polluting vehicles being excempt from mot and ved because they are classed as historic


Really it just doesn't make a lot of sense in my book.
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Well they are banning production of those. Without checking is it 2030 that cars with diesel and petrol engines will stop being produced? Also whilst it might seem unfair that the richest minority can afford to run those highly taxed cars it does massively cut down on how many people do and so has a huge affect on how many are on the streets. I think whilst the classic cars and vans might avoid tax they will become harder and harder to pass an mot on their exhaust emissions so best avoided as a daily runner. I'm not saying you shouldn't get what you want but i do think mpg and how polluting it is should at least be part of the decision process. Production of a new vehicle is also not great for the environment so that has to be weighed up against keeping an older one on the road.

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Helen Ariel said:
Well they are banning production of those. Without checking is it 2030 that cars with diesel and petrol engines will stop being produced? Also whilst it might seem unfair that the richest minority can afford to run those highly taxed cars it does massively cut down on how many people do and so has a huge affect on how many are on the streets. I think whilst the classic cars and vans might avoid tax they will become harder and harder to pass an mot on their exhaust emissions so best avoided as a daily runner. I'm not saying you shouldn't get what you want but i do think mpg and how polluting it is should at least be part of the decision process. Production of a new vehicle is also not great for the environment so that has to be weighed up against keeping an older one on the road.
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Yes they are stopping production of diesel cars from 2030 BUT they will still produce massive SUVs etc that will need nore batteries and more power to move them .....so will need more energy produced from something in order to provide that power.


I dont have the luxury of buying a new vehicle so within my driving lifetime i can say ill never own an electric vehicle.
Can't say ive any desire to anyway if truth be told .

I buy what i can afford and that does the job

To be honest i think this throw away society we have nowadays that tries to get people to buy new sofas , phones , cars etc every year causes more damage to the climate than a few old motors

Ive spent the last 3 years trying to escape that
 
Helen Ariel said:
Well they are banning production of those. Without checking is it 2030 that cars with diesel and petrol engines will stop being produced? Also whilst it might seem unfair that the richest minority can afford to run those highly taxed cars it does massively cut down on how many people do and so has a huge affect on how many are on the streets. I think whilst the classic cars and vans might avoid tax they will become harder and harder to pass an mot on their exhaust emissions so best avoided as a daily runner. I'm not saying you shouldn't get what you want but i do think mpg and how polluting it is should at least be part of the decision process. Production of a new vehicle is also not great for the environment so that has to be weighed up against keeping an older one on the road.
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Historic vehicles do not have to have a mot.
 
chaser said:
Historic vehicles do not have to have a mot.
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chaser said:
Or even tax for that matter.
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Yes that was my point above ....no mot over 40 years old and no tax

For the most polutting vehicles out there lol.

Sure maybe the majority dont get used daily but i know lots of vw owners who do
 
I will not even consider buying a vehicle that is supposedly meeting the most stringent emissions criteria until governments and those governing restrictions on geographical use stop moving the goalposts upwards.

There is now only one city in Germany where less than the Green sticker is acceptable, so there is no point in applying a sticker if one cannot get Green.

Geoff

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nicholsong said:
I will not even consider buying a vehicle that is supposedly meeting the most stringent emissions criteria until governments and those governing restrictions on geographical use stop moving the goalposts upwards.

There is now only one city in Germany where less than the Green sticker is acceptable, so there is no point in applying a sticker if one cannot get Green.

Geoff
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For what time I have left, I won't be deviating far from a good old big diesel.
 
I didn’t think you wanted tag again, or maybe just not as long as the other one.
This one looks different with the back end.
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