Tam and Toby ~~ Hunting Zorba .....Take two.

[Scotch mist]

Yep... good for greasy hands but boy does it find the little cuts if you have any...

or was that your intention ....

Shoosh

 

[Northernraider]

Finally after an exhaust, rear brakes , lambda sensor, welding , spark plugs , ht leads and the full underside painted i got the suzuki past its mot today ....but still not all done as its now developed a fault where its idling at 2000rpm and when driven and stopped the revs are fluctuating which makes it sound like a boy racer at the traffic lights ...bloody annoying but as it isnt causing the EML to come on or registering a code on the system i cant find the cause of the problem. But at least its mot'd i just have to mess around with it till i find the cause.

Nothing new with the bus as yet as im still waiting on parts coming .... which im hoping arrive soon or ill have to postpone mot again

 

[mitzimad]

when i had an alternator fail one symptom was high tick over

 

[Northernraider]

when i had an alternator fail one symptom was high tick over

Nah its not the alternator..im pretty much convinced its the idle air speed sensor but because its not putting the EML on its a guess at best. ..i think ill remove it tomorrow and see if i can clean inside it ...some you can others you can't .

 

[Al-Di]

stepper motor on speed sensor , give a good dose of carb cleaner,

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[gus-lopez]

EU rules are that I MUSN’T spend more than 90 Days in rolling 180 and Greek Rsidential rules are that I MUST spend at least 6 months in Greece otherwise I lose my Greek residential status after 5 years...

With a Greek residencial card the 90 in 180 does not apply to you.

es but will they still have to work out the days left by totting them all up and then counting backwards 180 days or will they sit there with their phone and a little app and put all the dates in and then in my case and maybe other people’s cases subtract the days I have spent in Greece because I have residential status there.
How will they do that because Greece is in Schengen but they don’t stamp my passport when I enter from outside Schengen because of my EU Biometric Greek residential card (tested that already)...I could say I have spent any amount of time in Greece....unless they record each entry and exit point individually for each country I travel to....so if for instance I turned up at the French border and they see I have spent 4 months in Schengen and I say yes but 3 months of it was in Greece and show my Greek Biometric card what will they do.

No they won't when you enter schengen at the first point , I assume France, you show the residencial card FIRST ; then offer the passport. That is the correct way. Nothing then gets stamped. If it does drag them out the window & punch them out as they aren't paying attention & get them to correct it both on computer & stamping it out again.Then punch them out again.Any time after you are asked for ID you produce the residential card ONLY unless they then ask for the passport but they shouldn't as the card covers you anywhere in schengen.

 

[Hymerbell]

With a Greek residencial card the 90 in 180 does not apply to you.

No they won't when you enter schengen at the first point , I assume France, you show the residencial card FIRST ; then offer the passport. That is the correct way. Nothing then gets stamped. If it does drag them out the window & punch them out as they aren't paying attention & get them to correct it both on computer & stamping it out again.Then punch them out again.Any time after you are asked for ID you produce the residential card ONLY unless they then ask for the passport but they shouldn't as the card covers you anywhere in schengen.

Ah thanks...very interesting....I know others aren’t interested in my petty 90 in 180 days dilemma as much as they are in welding techniques but as it isn’t my thread that’s fair enough so I won’t be posing anymore Schengen problems here again..however it seems one needs to be reasonably forceful and challenge the border guard. I got off a plane from Uk to Greece and presented the guy with both residential card AND passport and he didn’t stamp my passport and we discussed Schengen complications with regards this. He seemed to imply that none would know how long as had spent in Greece therefore I could stay In Schengen as long as I liked as well...However a lady got off before me and had same residential card and passport and even a piece of paper translated into Greek explaining her situation and he just stamped her passport. Anyway back to wiper blades and indicator stalks....

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

It's gone a bit quiet, have I missed something?

 

[monzer]

It's gone a bit quiet, have I missed something?

 

[StephandJohn]

Still quiet.
It's not natural!!!!!!

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[Northernraider]

Not much happening ....progress on bus is slow ... can't mot till i get wiper motor...been doing small jobs on it here and there but not much to report as anything i do thats noisy mum is complaining. Been round a few industrial estates and farms trying to find a shed but no luck so far.

Car is MOT now and started back working fri night

 

[Northernraider]

Bit of gutter preservation today....lot of surface rust on the rear gutters so sanded and primed to stop them getting worse before roof is painted .

 

[Northernraider]

Im starting to think that the gods ( im not religious) or the planets ( im not in to that either ) but something is trying to give me hints that this bus build just isnt meant to happen. So after buying the wiper switch that didn't fix the problem i ordered a new motor that a few folk reckoned would be the problem ....that eventually arrived today and isnt the problem in fact the problem is now worse in the fact the wipers just blow the fuse now and still dont park etc ...im now at a loss as to what the problem is ....the van is in bits ....it cant be driven as no mot tax or insurance and the mobile auto spark i knew is no longer in business ....i also have a new wiper motor and switch that i didn't need

As ive said many times electrics are not my strongpoint and im lost as to what is now the problem

 

[CazPaul]

There must be another auto electrician in your area Tam, at least it would then be sorted and save on buying more parts.

 

[DBK]

If its blowing the fuse this suggests a wiring fault somewhere or the wires have got muddled up somehow. You could see what happens if you leave the motor disconnected. If the fuse blows then the fault isn't the motor.

A traditional wiper motor has two feeds going to it. One is permanently live when the ignition is on, this is the one which does the parking. The other feed is the switched one which you use to turn them on and off. There may be another switched feed if it has two speeds and possibly a return wire. With a multimeter you could see if you can find these wires and see if they are doing what they should.

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[Onemanandhisdog]

Time

 

[Val 3 dogs]

Hard luck Tam. You are at a distinct disadvantage being a big, strong, bloke
at times like this it is very useful to be able to put the helpless, little woman cloak on. but stick with it- I'm sure DBK will get you sufficiently tutored in tbe end.
Then just imagine the sense of satisfaction you will get.
Take a deep breath, go and do something else- it will be good to teach you more patience too and come back to it another time.
Sorry Tam, I know that you are finding this very frustrating but life is a long learning experience, once you have mastered this particular lesson, (either tbe impatience or the electrics or both)! you will be a happier and better person and able to gallop ahead at a good pace.
Go and have a coffee break, breathe deeply, you will ultimately get it sorted.

 

[Northernraider]

Ok heres the weird thing ...the new wiper motor is noisy and blowing the fuse. The old wiper motor is quiet and doesn't blow the fuse.....and will happily work away on both speeds no problem for ages ... won't work on intermittent unfortunately and ive no idea if it will park as its the new one currently fitted

It looks like the new motor is faulty

 

[pagey]

I think you are right

 

[chaser]

Hope this doesn't sound daft but why not just switch them off when they are in the parked position like we always used to do?

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[Northernraider]

Hope this doesn't sound daft but why not just switch them off when they are in the parked position like we always used to do?

Because they run on after you turn the switch off and stop in random places.

Waiting on my mate turning up so we can refit the old motor ( needs 2 people one inside one out ) and then im going to see if i can get them to park ....im not sure tye old motor is faulty

All trial and error at present

 

[mitzimad]

Have you worked out what each wire is /does how many wires ?usually 5 for two speed wipers speed 1
Sped two
Earth
2 wires to parking switch?

 

[Ditcha]

Is the bus 24v or 12v just thinking aloud?

Toby must be putting the kiss of death on his rival

 

[Northernraider]

Have you worked out what each wire is /does how many wires ?usually 5 for two speed wipers speed 1
Sped two
Earth
2 wires to parking switch?

Yes there's 5 wires ..

I have brown/black live with ignition
Black/grey live with speed 1
Black/white/red live with speed 2
Brown ...i think earth
And black/purple. No idea so i assume parking switch

 

[Mikey RV]

Between you and your mate and two motors you must be able to get something working.

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[berni109]

Here u go tam

Hth - I found it informative as had no idea before I looked.
Assume there must be contacts in the motor that are either made or open when the motor reaches the park position just need to check continuity as you manually turn motor away from vehicle without power.
Of course that could be a complete load of b0l0cks!

 

[Northernraider]

Between you and your mate and two motors you must be able to get something working.

You would think so ...but not so far

 

[Northernraider]

Here u go tam

Hth - I found it informative as had no idea before I looked.
Assume there must be contacts in the motor that are either made or open when the motor reaches the park position just need to check continuity as you manually turn motor away from vehicle without power.
Of course that could be a complete load of b0l0cks!

Yeah i have power to all those cables
But despite it having power at the cable he states will park the motor ....the motor aint parking . Nor is it working on the intermittent setting which means the fault should be in the motor ....i just cant see what it is.

 

[fat haggis]

Yeah i have power to all those cables
But despite it having power at the cable he states will park the motor ....the motor aint parking . Nor is it working on the intermittent setting which means the fault should be in the motor ....i just cant see what it is.

 

[Northernraider]

Ok so having tested all the wires and getting the power i should be getting apparently ive taken the motor apart again checked all the connections etc ....from what i can see the park is simply provided by a gap in the steel ring

Heres photos of inside the motor etc and the plug
The wires to the plug are as follows
Brown / black live from ignition
Black/grey. Speed 1
Black/white/red speed 2
Brown ...earth i assume as all other earths are plain brown.

Black/purple ...this wire goes to a plug in the back of the fuse box ...not sure what its for but dont seem to get any reading from it


The plain brown goes to the inside prong
Brown black to the middle prong
Purple/ to the outside prong
Black/grey and the black/white/red go to the red and green wires which go to the motor for the speeds.

So from that it looks like the park switch is the outside of the metal ring


Now these pics show inside the new motor which is a cheap copy compared to the original motor ...on that theres a big section out the ring.



I do wonder what the black/purple wire is meant to do though

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