Stopped by the police

[David and Sally]

But where I live it's hard to travel far indeed without driving past a fixed anpr camera looking on the road you are driving on

How do you know it is anpr? Quite possibly traffic flow monitors of cctv. Of course some are anpr but making them visible would maybe defeat the object.

 

[suavecarve]

How do you know it is anpr? Quite possibly traffic flow monitors of cctv. Of course some are anpr but making them visible would maybe defeat the object.

Posted for enlighting others as to how few there actually are.
There are probably more campsites under a fiver than ANPR cameras

Having checked the detail, there are a number more than appear on the map. There are 25 in Cornwall according to the up to date highways agency. (there certainly isnt 25 campsites for under a fiver there !)

ANPR Spy Camera Locations in the UK - Google My Maps

**All locations listed on this map are genuine and verifiable, with many viewable in street-view** If you know of a location not already included and would like to have it listed then you can use the contact page in the website listed below. www.bigbrotheriswatching.co.uk * 788...

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[TM59]

Good to see the boys and girls in blue not wasting time and energy on assaults, burglaries, petty theft and making their presence felt in our towns and villages.

Comments like this always amaze me. Armchair critics Words fail me.

 

[Stealaway]

I know my Fiat Ducato is built to carry a load of 3850kg and deemed by the factory to be safe up to that amount.
The reason I won't be legal is because I'm 73 now and no longer worthy of a C1 license without repeated medicals.

 

[Tonks]

They don’t call it the Thin Blue Line for nothing.

Been there, got the t-shirt, got the injuries…….and I’ve done my bit…..obviously not good enough for some.

Good enough for, and appreciated by me.
Todays Police have to do more with less every year, in regularly dangerous situations and often alone.

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[David and Sally]

Posted for enlighting others as to how few there actually are.
There are probably more campsites under a fiver than ANPR cameras

Having checked the detail, there are a number more than appear on the map. There are 25 in Cornwall according to the up to date highways agency. (there certainly isnt 25 campsites for under a fiver there !)

ANPR Spy Camera Locations in the UK - Google My Maps

**All locations listed on this map are genuine and verifiable, with many viewable in street-view** If you know of a location not already included and would like to have it listed then you can use the contact page in the website listed below. www.bigbrotheriswatching.co.uk * 788...

www.google.com

Interesting the title is spy cameras. The should be called felon cameras or ‘ if you are up to no good we’ll get you’ cameras.

 

[JockandRita]

All the relative agencies were on both carriageways of the A47 yesterday, on the dual carriageway sections between Thorney and Thorney Toll.
Those pulled that I could see, weren't HGV/LGVs, but vans and towed trailers.

TBH, I'm all for it, and wouldn't have had a problem if we had been pulled. I do get cross though that, (as serving/retired officers have pointed out above), your average law abiding Joe Public seem to be getting the raw end of the deal, as a result of underfunding and recruiting over the last decade or so. The same underfunding has been applied to the Fire Services, and Ambulance Services, the latter of which is in a state of collapse.

Jock.

 

[mofurt]

Todays Police have to do more with less every year, in regularly dangerous situations and often alone.

And whatever they do, it's wrong. Try to calm traffic in a village - why aren't you catching villains? Spend time tracing villains - why do we never see police on our streets? Break up a fight in the street - why are you assaulting the poor drunk lad? etc. etc.
I couldn't do that job. Under-resourced, under-paid, not respected or protected, first to be thrown under the bus when things go wrong.

 

[suavecarve]

And just as this discussion was under way a friend and ex colleague won one of the National Bravery Awards.

 

[1ten]

You ve proved St3v3 case there; You could have left it at 3.5t and taken your chances but because you ve chosen to pay a few quid and get the paperwork changed then you re legal.

Too many motorhomes are downplated to a weight where they don't actually work so they can sell them to people without a C1 and those people sometimes knowingly - sometimes not drive them illegally.

I think I miss understood St3v3 post.
I thought he was suggesting that the vans shouldn't be up plated without any extra work being done to them and people just spent a bit of cash with to get the V5 changed.

My mistake.

I would still rather get the plate changed and know I am legal even if it is a bit nonsensical as the van can carry the extra weight anyway.

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[Nigel P]

And whatever they do, it's wrong. Try to calm traffic in a village - why aren't you catching villains? Spend time tracing villains - why do we never see police on our streets? Break up a fight in the street - why are you assaulting the poor drunk lad? etc. etc.
I couldn't do that job. Under-resourced, under-paid, not respected or protected, first to be thrown under the bus when things go wrong.

Take the time to walk a mile in his moccasins.”

Judge Softly~ by Mary T. Lathrap, 1895

This is the last line of a poem by Mary Lathrap, some of the police bashers on here could do to read the whole thing!​

 

[gus-lopez]

Those other agencies do not record collision data to assist any relevant prosecutions or inform relevant highway authorities about causes or contributory factors with regards to the collisions. Ambulance/fire have no training or equipment to put on a lane three closure to deal with a motorway collision. The point of having specialisms is quite self evident, same reason dentists don't do much heart surgery.

And none of that is of any interest to me if I call for medical or fire assistance. Thectosd will already be shut if I'm there using my vehicle

If they wish to turn up and apportion blame that is up to them. Medical and fire assistance is what is required first not someone to shut the road for 12 hours whilst they have a ponce around.

 

[David and Sally]

And none of that is of any interest to me if I call for medical or fire assistance. Thectosd will already be shut if I'm there using my vehicle

If they wish to turn up and apportion blame that is up to them. Medical and fire assistance is what is required first not someone to shut the road for 12 hours whilst they have a ponce around.

I agree life-saving is the first priority, including scene safety for the crews and the public. If that is poncing around then it is. As is also investigating the incident for the purposes of informing those involved and their families and advising the highways agency as to any improvements that can be made to minimise future events. Maybe that is also poncing round.

Then there is the investigation of any offences. Maybe that is also poncing around.

Then possibly visiting and continued contact with the bereaved. Is that poncing around?

 

[Nigel P]

And none of that is of any interest to me if I call for medical or fire assistance. Thectosd will already be shut if I'm there using my vehicle

If they wish to turn up and apportion blame that is up to them. Medical and fire assistance is what is required first not someone to shut the road for 12 hours whilst they have a ponce around.

Perhaps you mis-understood my post. There would be no ambulance! They will quite rightly not put themselves in danger until the scene is safe to work at, this is achieved by police. What an individual does or does not want will not alter the scene management priorities. Same rules apply to firearms incidents, no ambulance until scene secured by armed response units.

 

[busby]

I agree life-saving is the first priority, including scene safety for the crews and the public. If that is poncing around then it is. As is also investigating the incident for the purposes of informing those involved and their families and advising the highways agency as to any improvements that can be made to minimise future events. Maybe that is also poncing round.

Then there is the investigation of any offences. Maybe that is also poncing around.

Then possibly visiting and continued contact with the bereaved. Is that poncing around?

Most traffic police are well trained in first aid and they need to be at the traffic scene to manage traffic as so many drivers would dangerously squeeze past accidents especially on motorways...BUSBY.

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[EuroTrotters]

 

[Nanniemate]

You ve proved St3v3 case there; You could have left it at 3.5t and taken your chances but because you ve chosen to pay a few quid and get the paperwork changed then you re legal.

Too many motorhomes are downplated to a weight where they don't actually work so they can sell them to people without a C1 and those people sometimes knowingly - sometimes not drive them illegally.

If they were not down plated and the person driving did not have a C1 gotcha.

 

[Paulypaul]

I got tugged by the police and escorted to a police check point. Not one DVSA opo in sight.

One copper downloaded my tacho while 2 others were trying to measure the width of my load by using a plumb line and the measure, on a windy February morning. I kid you not! They got a third copper involved to try and hold spirit level along the plumb line to get an accurate mesurement

One of them then asked for my abnormal load notification and then duly told me my load was 3cm too wide?? Inside I was chuckling like f**k cause I was imagining the RHA legal representation asking the old bill how they calibrated their plumb line and tape measure that morning?

They also said that they "liked" the wide load marker boards to protrude the edge of the load. I questioned this and suggested that surely I would then definitely be over width? "That's how we like it" I was told. I obliged and moved them out 6 inches so the load was now 12' wide?

One of the other coppers then decided to get involved and said I didn't have enough amber lights. He only saw one? "Didn't see the 6 strobes on the front, light bar on the roof and 2 strobes on rear cab light bar?" He just walked off.

You couldn't make this stuff up, the ineptitude was just mind boggling. However, as it turns out, they let me go without any action being taken and only wasted 55 minutes of my time.

Norfolk and Suffolk police have apparently just undergone training regarding abnormal load movements but in the meantime how much time and resources have thy wasted.

 

[Pausim]

Posted for enlighting others as to how few there actually are.
There are probably more campsites under a fiver than ANPR cameras

Having checked the detail, there are a number more than appear on the map. There are 25 in Cornwall according to the up to date highways agency. (there certainly isnt 25 campsites for under a fiver there !)

ANPR Spy Camera Locations in the UK - Google My Maps

**All locations listed on this map are genuine and verifiable, with many viewable in street-view** If you know of a location not already included and would like to have it listed then you can use the contact page in the website listed below. www.bigbrotheriswatching.co.uk * 788...

www.google.com

I have been wondering what type of cameras they are on the A29 at the bottom of Bury Hill and now I know, ANPR.

 

[jongood]

If they were not down plated and the person driving did not have a C1 gotcha.

Holding the conversation to mh's:- the drivers going to get fined but whose fault is it? If Mr and mrs Joe average walks into local mh dealer and states that they want a motorhome, should the dealer check what licences they have? When they then says that its mostly for them but they are thinking of taking their grandchildren ocassionally, should the dealer think to check what the overall weight might be. We ve long had conversation about the motorhome manufactureres being very creative with stated payloads, are they at fault? And then the acessories guy who sells them a scooter rack for the back of it, should they be chevking?

And at the end of the day, how often does it all go wrong? because Joe has got a motor that has been designed for 4t and weights 4t but is registered at 3.5t and he doesnt have C1?

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[Pausim]

And at the end of the day, how often does it all go wrong? because Joe has got a motor that has been designed for 4t and weights 4t but is registered at 3.5t and he doesnt have C1?

From the original post we know it could “all go wrong”. If it is registered at 3.5t he would be open to a fine for overloading. If it was registered over 3.5t then Joe without a C1 license would be guilty of the far more serious offences of driving without a license and not being insured.

 

[TM59]

Holding the conversation to mh's:- the drivers going to get fined but whose fault is it? If Mr and mrs Joe average walks into local mh dealer and states that they want a motorhome, should the dealer check what licences they have? When they then says that its mostly for them but they are thinking of taking their grandchildren ocassionally, should the dealer think to check what the overall weight might be. We ve long had conversation about the motorhome manufactureres being very creative with stated payloads, are they at fault? And then the acessories guy who sells them a scooter rack for the back of it, should they be chevking?

And at the end of the day, how often does it all go wrong? because Joe has got a motor that has been designed for 4t and weights 4t but is registered at 3.5t and he doesnt have C1?

What is severely lacking in today’s society, personal responsibility. We love to blame others for our short coming’s.

 

[jongood]

From the original post we know it could “all go wrong”. If it is registered at 3.5t he would be open to a fine for overloading. If it was registered over 3.5t then Joe without a C1 license would be guilty of the far more serious offences of driving without a license and not being insured.

What I mean by "go wrong" is someone being killed or injured or at risk of by an overweight motorhome?

I'm not trying to absolve anyone of responsibility TM59 just questioning how big a problem it is?

 

[JoshnPen]

After reading this thread yesterday, we took ours to a weighbridge in Biggleswade, the only items not on board which we would usually take were clothes, toiletries, food and wine! Pleased to say we have a massive amount of kg's capacity - definitely way more than we can eat and drink, so happy days!!!!

 

[Minxy]

You are absolutely right except in the case of some PVCs , and I presume others but I only know about PVCs, to up-plate to 4250 it’s purely a paper exercise. So one day my van is safe at 3500 and then the next day it’s safe with 750kg more stuff in it just because of a bit of paper. Some rules are silly but I am very law abiding and stick to them.

Only if it has the heavy chassis.

I don't follow your logic, the van was always safe at 4250kgs just not labelled as such.

Yes but not legal.

This only applies to SOME PVCs. Our Ducatto on a Maxi chassis and 16" wheels would need no mods to be up-plated, this is not the case with all Ducatto based conversions.

Must be on the heavy chassis.

My PVC that I used to have had a maxi chassis and had to have air suspension to the rear axle to update to 4250kg

Shouldn't have needed that unless wanting to up the rear axle capacity too.

SV Tech I presume? Maxi Chassis with 16 inch alloys can go to 4.5t with no mods.

That's my thought too, they decided that despite Fiat engineering a vehicle chassis that can go to 4.5t they know better so started insisting on additional suspension which was unnecessary.

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[Minxy]

To add to Sue's comment ref the Yorkshire Ripper, Ted Bundy was also caught due to a vehicle stop.

 

[Sapper520]

I got tugged by the police and escorted to a police check point. Not one DVSA opo in sight.

One copper downloaded my tacho while 2 others were trying to measure the width of my load by using a plumb line and the measure, on a windy February morning. I kid you not! They got a third copper involved to try and hold spirit level along the plumb line to get an accurate mesurement

One of them then asked for my abnormal load notification and then duly told me my load was 3cm too wide?? Inside I was chuckling like I have a limited vocabulary cause I was imagining the RHA legal representation asking the old bill how they calibrated their plumb line and tape measure that morning?

They also said that they "liked" the wide load marker boards to protrude the edge of the load. I questioned this and suggested that surely I would then definitely be over width? "That's how we like it" I was told. I obliged and moved them out 6 inches so the load was now 12' wide?

One of the other coppers then decided to get involved and said I didn't have enough amber lights. He only saw one? "Didn't see the 6 strobes on the front, light bar on the roof and 2 strobes on rear cab light bar?" He just walked off.

You couldn't make this stuff up, the ineptitude was just mind boggling. However, as it turns out, they let me go without any action being taken and only wasted 55 minutes of my time.

Norfolk and Suffolk police have apparently just undergone training regarding abnormal load movements but in the meantime how much time and resources have thy wasted.

Having done your job and their job I’m sure your overall knowledge far exceeds the non specialist Police Officer by far, and exceeds a Traffic Officers practical knowledge of day to day running of Abnormal Loads as well.

Although I never went on to specialise in Traffic, I did like to keep my hand in, so used to stop the odd large vehicle to have a chat.

I’d tell them that I just wanted to have a chat to keep my knowledge up to speed, asked them to show me around their wagon…..which all were more than happy to do, thanked them and went on my way.

Most I’d speak to by pulling into a carpark where they were parked up.

I think you’ll find the more helpful you can be, the more helpful they can be.

 

[PhilMary]

Its what real hero's get.

I guess you didn't qualify afterall

No. But I bet the "Management Team" got one each.

 

[Paulypaul]

Having done your job and their job I’m sure your overall knowledge far exceeds the non specialist Police Officer by far, and exceeds a Traffic Officers practical knowledge of day to day running of Abnormal Loads as well.

Although I never went on to specialise in Traffic, I did like to keep my hand in, so used to stop the odd large vehicle to have a chat.

I’d tell them that I just wanted to have a chat to keep my knowledge up to speed, asked them to show me around their wagon…..which all were more than happy to do, thanked them and went on my way.

Most I’d speak to by pulling into a carpark where they were parked up.

I think you’ll find the more helpful you can be, the more helpful they can be.

I have to admit, I make a point of not trying to inflame a situation and I always try to co-operate. The arrogance and ignorance displayed by the "lead" officer who told me I was 3cm over width didn't provoke me as I'd already guessed that even if they had decided to try to nick me it wouldn't stand up in court anyway.

My priority was to get done and get on my way. Nevertheless, it is frustrating when it's obvious they are wasting peoples time.

 

[Sapper520]

I have to admit, I make a point of not trying to inflame a situation and I always try to co-operate. The arrogance and ignorance displayed by the "lead" officer who told me I was 3cm over width didn't provoke me as I'd already guessed that even if they had decided to try to nick me it wouldn't stand up in court anyway.

My priority was to get done and get on my way. Nevertheless, it is frustrating when it's obvious they are wasting peoples time.

On one of my trips, following a couple of fatal accidents in the area involving HGV’s (Warwickshire), one being an abnormal load where the excavator fell off the side, killing a car driver travelling in the opposite direction, my escort turned up and said 12mph maximum…….fine I said.

Got to the Gloucester border and was picked up by the Gloucestershire Police who asked me, ‘How fast can you go’?

So not all Officers or Forces are the same.

Incidentally, the driver of the abnormal load tried to claim the driver who died had hit the tracks of the excavator……in his Ford Fiesta…..and knocked it off the side of his wagon.

The Police investigation proved this could not have happened, so the dead mans family (wife and some kids as I recall) could now pursue the Haulage Company.

Without the Police investigation that family would have been completely knackered.

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