Starlink ordered… I feel it’s the only sensible option now..

[MisterB]

in my case as an early adopter, i only paid £99 for each starlink, so im not complaining ..... i also did recognise and believe that prices would increase and am willing to accept the new pricing strategy, mobile use also actually benefits me .....

 

[Fragle]

Imagine being in Luxembourg , Malta, San Marino etc.....surely not

That’s the exact reason why this is wrong.

It would create an enormous problem for Musk if he told Americans state only.

Along with the fact that we also pay more than anyone else per month

I’m almost as p****d off as Carpmart. That takes some serious effort on this subject

 

[Vansflyer]

Thanks Fred… never say never but it’s $200 flat fee applied to my account if I transfer countries with a dishy.

Isn't that for ones purchased in another region eg USA and then activated in Europe, again for example.

 

[Carpmart]

Isn't that for ones purchased in another region eg USA and then activated in Europe, again for example.



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Yes but we’ve been discussing for the last two days how Europe doesn’t exist as a regional concept to Starlink anymore. I can’t see how a dishy purchased in the UK as a home country won’t have the $200 tax applied when I connect it in Spain!

 

[Vansflyer]

Yes but we’ve been discussing for the last two days how Europe doesn’t exist as a regional concept to Starlink anymore. I can’t see how a dishy purchased in the UK as a home country won’t have the $200 tax applied when I connect it in Spain!

I guess we have to ask them then?

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[StillGoing]

Am I missing something?

You are on holiday in a foreign land exploring the riches to behold. Most are of an age where old books and guides such as 'all the aires', 'camperstop' etc from the pre smart phone/satellite link era and are probably collecting dust as we old blokes don't throw things away in case we need them in the future.

As we do when driving in unknown places, get to a junction with no idea 'turn left' and see where it takes us. Have found many roads untravelled in countries around the world.

So don't get het up about a bit of tech some greedy bar steward wants to get greedier on, take a leap of faith.

Next we'll hear of blokes showering and shaving every day, ironing shirts. Good heavens you're on holiday, not a timetable.

HTH

You’re not self employed then!

My wife is and she has to keep up with work while on holiday, including taking calls and video conferencing.

We all have different needs. One size doesn’t fit all.

 

[KASPAR]

You’re not self employed then!

My wife is and she has to keep up with work while on holiday, including taking calls and video conferencing.

We all have different needs. One size doesn’t fit all.

Used to be, when I was oft away from home Sun to Fri for approx 9 months a year, then take a month to go travel to far off destinations with no communications, no e-mail, no mobile phone after once being plagued with communications trying to get me to start another project whilst on holiday in Florida. The idea of not being connected whilst on holiday was most appealing

I did spend nearly 30 years living to work always away from home in different parts of the world for 91 nights at a time. Anyone who did that will understand the significance of the number of nights. Means to an end and very fortunate to have seen and done so much. Very few would do that, as you say we all have different needs and wants.

On my last 11 months afore retirement wfh, 4 days/week, behind a screen on teams/zoom most days. Looking forward to doing lots of MH trips, but not permanently connected. A simpler way of life, hopefully.

 

[Carpmart]

I guess we have to ask them then?

How… would love to speak to them!!!

 

[fred_jb]

No, and the T&Cs that you subsequently posted confirms this.

Not sure if your subsequent post is acknowledging this or not.

Ian

Of course although that addresses the start of a trip, there is still an issue if you arrive back only a week or two into your billing cycle because you have already paid for the whole month.

 

[Vansflyer]

How… would love to speak to them!!!

Raise a ticket is the only way as far as I know.
"Hi, I am a very upset user from the UK considering relocation to Spain as your tariff is cheaper there, can you please advise if there is a cost to relocation? BTW if you hadn't screwed us over on changing "roaming" I wouldn't be doing this".... last bit may need editing

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[Peter and Julie]

Raise a ticket is the only way as far as I know.
"Hi, I am a very upset user from the UK considering relocation to Spain as your tariff is cheaper there, can you please advise if there is a cost to relocation? BTW if you hadn't screwed us over on changing "roaming" I wouldn't be doing this".... last bit may need editing

You would think they might have honoured existing contracts for roaming? Like many others, whether I was in France (home location for dishy) or back in the UK I never paused service. I will now though!

 

[bigtwin]

there is still an issue if you arrive back only a week or two into your billing cycle because you have already paid for the whole month.

It’s always been like that though and, well, that’s a judgement call as to whether you pause early and lose a few days service or pay full whack for those days.

Ian

 

[Carpmart]

FCC boss starts bringing up Musk's Starlink dominance, antitrust concerns

SpaceX broadband network now accounts for nearly two-thirds of all active satellites in orbit

www.theregister.com

FCC not happy with Starlink Monopoly…

Like utilities and cellular, it would make sense for the world to force Elon to not necessarily own the end customer. A service provider layer between the infrastructure owner/operator and us customers would create competition.

 

[Mr Mousy]

Reply from Starlink…and a further question from me.

 

[Mr Mousy]

A super fast reply from Starlink.

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[Fragle]

Starlink are replying fast today by the looks of it. So definitely country of registration only. But you can take it to the USA if you want
I have pointed out the restrictions compared to the USA and ask this to be raised at a higher level. Suppose we will just have to wait and see what happens

 

[MisterB]

Even then it might be cost effective for some, but I now see why you would much rather buy a Spanish one in the first place.

What I am thinking is buying another Gen 2 and not actuating it until 14 days after my other ones 'contract' date, so I can stagger their 'pause' option. Of course it would prob be easier just to swap the dish with someone so both parties can do it, knowing they're getting a working dishy and not a faulty one. My two currently have contracts on the 6th and 13th of each month, I assume that one 'purchased' second hand would have it's new contract date set when reactivated...

We have two accounts, one in my name the other in SWMS's name. Two separate bank accounts. If I stopped one of the accounts for a period and then opened another starlink account using a different starlink and different bank account from the other two, then I believe it will commence from the date of actuation...

I could be in the market for another Gen 2 but would prefer to do a swap for my other non modded Gen 2 rather than buy one and then sell my original. it might work for the other person aswell if they're thinking of using two, with 15 days between contract dates. Having 15 days between also allows someone to activate their dish and pay for just the 15 days or even a potentially shorter period as you are charged proportional to the next contract date, so long as you pause as soon as you restart the period. Great if you go away for just a week or potentially even just a few days ...

Further to my meandering yesterday I contacted starlink (bot) and asked (summarised questions and responses, but I have saved screenshots of the full responses)

Q - If I buy a second hand starlink, will the actuation date for the contract be the same as when originally activated?

A - no it will commence from the date when you activate the account

Q - can I sell my starlink to someone at the same address that it is already registered to

A - yes

Q - is there a cost incurred when transferring ownership

A - No


So, I'm now considering just 'selling' the one registered to SWMS to me, then I can change the contract date to 15 days between them both. I can then just activate either of them for a 'half month' period (15 days)

 

[MisterB]

This is from the App


How does pause service work?


The option to pause service is available only to Mobile (Regional/Global) and Mobile Priority service plans. Other service plans have the option to cancel service, and in most areas can be reactivated later.

It states pause is only available for Regional/Global ...... So Regions must still exist .... ???

 

[Fragle]

Further to my meandering yesterday I contacted starlink (bot) and asked (summarised questions and responses, but I have saved screenshots of the full responses)

Q - If I buy a second hand starlink, will the actuation date for the contract be the same as when originally activated?

A - no it will commence from the date when you activate the account

Q - can I sell my starlink to someone at the same address that it is already registered to

A - yes

Q - is there a cost incurred when transferring ownership

A - No


So, I'm now considering just 'selling' the one registered to SWMS to me, then I can change the contract date to 15 days between them both. I can then just activate either of them for a 'half month' period (15 days)

Just a thought.

Can 2 people have accounts on the same Starlink address?

Not sure if this has been asked. Because you could use one for 2 months close and activate second account.

Correct me if I’m wrong

 

[Carpmart]

The whole thing is more than a tad confusing!

Look at the message Fragle got and you see epic contradiction in just one reply!

Mr Mousy received responses are equally unclear.

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[Fragle]

This is from the App


How does pause service work?


The option to pause service is available only to Mobile (Regional/Global) and Mobile Priority service plans. Other service plans have the option to cancel service, and in most areas can be reactivated later.

It states pause is only available for Regional/Global ...... So Regions must still exist .... ???

They obviously do. This from my earlier post

Yes, the 2-month limit applies to using Starlink in a different country
outside of the one you signed up for.
You can travel unrestricted within European regions

Again they say 2 months limit then state you can travel in European regions unrestricted.

I firmly believe they have no f****g idea

 

[MisterB]

Just a thought.

Can 2 people have accounts on the same Starlink address?

Not sure if this has been asked. Because you could use one for 2 months close and activate second account.

Correct me if I’m wrong

Yes, we do! I have one and SWMS has one. Your suggestion was my workaround if needed and by changing actuation dates by selling/buying I would be able to just do 15 days or less at any one time ....

As I mentioned earlier, anyone with two dishes on different contracts could take just one router, leads etc and two dishes to get four months, which I know wouldn't suit everyone but it might help others


I also believe this will all be resolved when they look at it properly.

As we don't usually use starlink in the UK AND if it costs nothing to change registered address, it seems to make sense to reregister in a country with lower fees ....

 

[Fragle]

Yes, we do! I have one and SWMS has one. Your suggestion was my workaround if needed and by changing actuation dates by selling/buying I would be able to just do 15 days or less at any one time ....

As I mentioned earlier, anyone with two dishes on different contracts could take just one router, leads etc and two dishes to get four months, which I know wouldn't suit everyone but it might help others


I also believe this will all be resolved when they look at it properly.

As we don't usually use starlink in the UK AND if it costs nothing to change registered address, it seems to make sense to reregister in a country with lower fees ....

Ok so I now understand what you are thinking.

I was thinking on one dish though. Not got the room for 2

Another question is how the reset works. If you’re in Europe and you’re cut off. Does that mean you get back to uk and have to pay £96 to reset by turning it on at home and if like me you don’t use in wasted £96. ?

 

[MisterB]

Ok so I now understand what you are thinking.

I was thinking on one dish though. Not got the room for 2

Another question is how the reset works. If you’re in Europe and you’re cut off. Does that mean you get back to uk and have to pay £96 to reset by turning it on at home and if like me you don’t use in wasted £96. ?

As I have one dish already 'minimised' in size and intend doing the other, the room they take is quite small, in fact our avtex TV takes up more space than my starlink ....

Not sure re the reset and I suppose time will tell ... remember they state they 'may' require you to reregister, which if you don't use it in the UK might actually save you money !!

It's all whispers and rumours until it happens, but my head is telling me that it will all be resolved sensibly....

 

[bigtwin]

then I can change the contract date to 15 days between them both. I can then just activate either of them for a 'half month' period (15 days)

Is this strategy just aimed at minimising the charge in the month at the end of your trip when you pause the service?

The months between the first month of your trip (pro-rata cost) and the last month will still be charged at full cost.

Or am I missing the benefit that you are seeking?

Ian

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[StillGoing]

Having read the Starlink replies, I think they are saying that if your Starlink is registered in the UK, you can tour around the EU for as long as you want so long as you don’t spend more than 2 months continuously in any one EU country.

They don’t address why the UK is being ripped off on the monthly subscription. I guess that comes down to supply and demand.

 

[MisterB]

Is this strategy just aimed at minimising the charge in the month at the end of your trip when you pause the service?

The months between the first month of your trip (pro-rata cost) and the last month will still be charged at full cost.

Or am I missing the benefit that you are seeking?

Ian

Dish 1 - contract date 13th

Dish 2 - contract date 28th

Just an example of the flexibility ...

Unpause Dish 1 on the 28th, immediately pause - payment is for 15 days only

Unpause Dish 2 on the 13th, immediately pause - payment is for 15 days only

And it is aimed at minimising costs and actually allows me to only pay for a max of 15 days, preferably less if I needed to activate for a short period. There are far too many different configurations and permeations to explain in full. Of course you can also get away with only paying for 1 days use if you only have 1 dish aswell, it's about timing (and the fact that I bought two dishes when they were £99)

 

[Mr Mousy]

More messages from SL about changing the ‘service address’.
Much hassle and a $200 fee.

 

[RowleyBirkinQC]

I know Elon likes being a disruptor, but…

 

[Carpmart]

They really don’t get our Region not country problem.

Imagine if the US was per state not per region… it’s all about tariff avoidance, which I completely get commercially, but they will force consequences and loss of revenue from users who want (need) to retain the service…

None of the Starlink (Space X) execs I’m second linked to on LinkedIn have accepted my connect requests yet!

HeyHo, back to my post yesterday and the two dish shuffle…

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