Spain, Desperate to get us back !

[gus-lopez]

I can't see that foreign second home owners have been treated any differently to spanish second/third/fourth home owners who also haven't been allowed any access ,unless it was actually in there province /region?

UK citizens / residents were allowed in up until 22nd December.

If in a motorhome/vehicle any time afterwards as well because regional border closures could not be legally enforced by regional governments on foreigners as they do not have the authority .Only central government does . Germans I know came down through France via La Jonquera whilst all the catalan , Valencian, Murcian borders were closed to locals without being stopped by anyone & overnighted in various places whilst doing it? Plenty have arrived by boat having managed to leave Uk without being stopped.

 

[gus-lopez]

it's not stopping other Brits buying (unseen) on our resort.

We've got them in person,going arond with estate agents?? My mate said yesterday that when we saw it a few days ago , it was something we had not seen since the crisis started in latter part of 2008??

 

[jumar]

UK citizens / residents were allowed in up until 22nd December.

You haven't missed much.....not been a great winter, lots of restrictions for citizens and residents.....only last week we have been allowed out of regions....some folk near where we live lost jobs, being supported by neighbours...might get back to New Normal in time.....

 

[jumar]

So Covid restrictions get lifted (hopefully soon). Anyone visiting Schengen will probably need a tourist visa, which is probably going to be easier than getting one for the US. What are people hoping will change after that?

What's a tourist visa....the WA agreed Brits could come to Schengen without applying for a visa...that's what 90/180 is....visa free travel with agreed time restrictions....

 

[jumartoo]

UK citizens / residents were allowed in up until 22nd December.

Maybe so but a lot of the owners on our resort didn't feel it right so most haven't been for over a year.

The same as we didn't visit the UK last year either, and stayed closer to home.

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[jumartoo]

We've got them in person,going arond with estate agents?? My mate said yesterday that when we saw it a few days ago , it was something we had not seen since the crisis started in latter part of 2008??

Have you got a sign up?? Or are you staying put now?

 

[busby]

Perhaps the point is she wasn't attempting to enter the UK illegally, she had an offer of employment. Citizens of EU countries are allowed to enter the UK not only if they have a job offer but also to look for work prior to applying for a visa.

EU citizens arriving in UK being locked up and expelled

Europeans with job interviews tell of detentions and expulsions despite rules allowing non-visa holders to attend interviews

www.theguardian.com

Would raise suspicion the employer being her cousin,BUSBY.

 

[Littlewheels]

There's nothing to stop people buying a house is there? As in "holiday home". The problems start when they want to ignore the 90/180 rule?

The simple fact is that the purchase of a holiday home is for holidays in the short term with a view to retirement long term in order to avoid the winter in the UK, you cannot avoid the winter with the 90/180 rule if it had been 180/365 all might have been well.

 

[Littlewheels]

The simple fact is that the purchase of a holiday home is for holidays in the short term with a view to retirement long term in order to avoid the winter in the UK, you cannot avoid the winter with the 90/180 rule if it had been 180/365 all might have been well.

Should have ended this with. This removes the incentive to invest in overseas property.
Who would seriously accept the current situation in making a purchase from £50k to £5million and having no control as to when you can stay or visit.

 

[Coolcats]

Should have ended this with. This removes the incentive to invest in overseas property.
Who would seriously accept the current situation in making a purchase from £50k to £5million and having no control as to when you can stay or visit.

If you have £5M to spend, getting residency would be simples, the rich are not affected it’s just the average Jo and Joe who are.

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[Littlewheels]

If you have £5M to spend, getting residency would be simples, the rich are not affected it’s just the average Jo and Joe who are.

Residencia is not a problem for me and many others it’s the “declaration of world wide assets“ that’s the problem and the tax implications.

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

Should have ended this with. This removes the incentive to invest in overseas property.
Who would seriously accept the current situation in making a purchase from £50k to £5million and having no control as to when you can stay or visit.

As stated by gus-lopez people are still investing….plus they do have control - anytime within the 90/180 ruling or become residents

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

Residencia is not a problem for me and many others it’s the “declaration of world wide assets“

In conjunction with the double taxation agreement for some / most average Jo’es it’s not a problem

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

If you have £5M to spend, getting residency would be simples, the rich are not affected it’s just the average Jo and Joe who are.

A 500,000 spend on a property secures residency

 

[gus-lopez]

Have you got a sign up?? Or are you staying put now?

Us? No ours isn't up for sale anymore although we have someone local who wants to buy it at the moment but we're undecided about selling .

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[Coolcats]

A 500,000 spend on a property secures residency

And an independent income to support themselves. I have no issue with this but again for the masses moving to Spain is no longer possible only for those who have the financial means of a certain level.

 

[Garfields]

And an independent income to support themselves. I have no issue with this but again for the masses moving to Spain is no longer possible only for those who have the financial means of a certain level.

Spliting hair's but if you don't have the financial means why would you be moving anyway

 

[Coolcats]

Spliting hair's but if you don't have the financial means why would you be moving anyway

Because pre the EU split anyone could travel live and build a life in Spain, some have. Now it’s only easy for those with means. For our youngsters to live and work overseas has been made much harder.

What about the youngsters who could spend more than 90 days working in Ibiza or ski resorts? Whilst it is not impossible it is much harder for them to do so. If your family has means it’s much easier to do so.

The haves and the have nots gap just got a little wider. Whilst I have the means to live abroad I do feel for those who will find it far more difficult or impossible to do so.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Fears loom in Spanish tourism industry as restrictions in Britain, Germany threaten summer rebound -
https://english.elpais.com/economy_...-britain-germany-threaten-summer-rebound.html

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

Fears loom in Spanish tourism industry as restrictions in Britain, Germany threaten summer rebound -
https://english.elpais.com/economy_...-britain-germany-threaten-summer-rebound.html

An interesting read, but, is a 3 billion euro loss ‘catastrophic’ against Spain’s typical 1244 billion GDP - less than 1%.

Without a doubt, very painful for some working class people and their family - and tourism as a trade, from hotel owners to cleaners, will unfortunately suffer.

However, against the wider Spainish recovery, in conjunction with the pain of seeing rival countries, such as the Portuguese get that footfall and spend, the British / German spend will be missed but I’d challenge ‘catastrophic’.

The Swedes’, Finn’s, Danish and Vikings in general, coupled with many Belgium and French will keep things afloat - they seem to be spending well in our area of Alicante.

Plus other industry sectors are also likely to recover and lift the heavy weight of Spain’s recovery.

The Brit’s will be missed and welcomed back (not so sure by the Guardia/ local policia ) but I still scratch my head on why the over egging on how important the British spend is compared to other tourists.

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[Vipar]

Do you think that Spain might apply to leave the EU over this?

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

Do you think that Spain might apply to leave the EU over this?

I think the French and Italians are first in that que….

 

[jumar]

Do you think that Spain might apply to leave the EU over this?

Shouldn't think so...we live here....

 

[Coolcats]

An interesting read, but, is a 3 billion euro loss ‘catastrophic’ against Spain’s typical 1244 billion GDP - less than 1%.

Without a doubt, very painful for some working class people and their family - and tourism as a trade, from hotel owners to cleaners, will unfortunately suffer.

However, against the wider Spainish recovery, in conjunction with the pain of seeing rival countries, such as the Portuguese get that footfall and spend, the British / German spend will be missed but I’d challenge ‘catastrophic’.

The Swedes’, Finn’s, Danish and Vikings in general, coupled with many Belgium and French will keep things afloat - they seem to be spending well in our area of Alicante.

Plus other industry sectors are also likely to recover and lift the heavy weight of Spain’s recovery.

The Brit’s will be missed and welcomed back (not so sure by the Guardia/ local policia ) but I still scratch my head on why the over egging on how important the British spend is compared to other tourists.

spot on

 

[gus-lopez]

I doubt that the Germans will take any notice of their governments not wishing them to travel. They didn't last time & left in the 000's

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[EuroTrotters]

An interesting read, but, is a 3 billion euro loss ‘catastrophic’ against Spain’s typical 1244 billion GDP - less than 1%.

Without a doubt, very painful for some working class people and their family - and tourism as a trade, from hotel owners to cleaners, will unfortunately suffer.

However, against the wider Spainish recovery, in conjunction with the pain of seeing rival countries, such as the Portuguese get that footfall and spend, the British / German spend will be missed but I’d challenge ‘catastrophic’.

The Swedes’, Finn’s, Danish and Vikings in general, coupled with many Belgium and French will keep things afloat - they seem to be spending well in our area of Alicante.

Plus other industry sectors are also likely to recover and lift the heavy weight of Spain’s recovery.

The Brit’s will be missed and welcomed back (not so sure by the Guardia/ local policia ) but I still scratch my head on why the over egging on how important the British spend is compared to other tourists.

(not so sure by the Guardia/ local policia )

Why do you say that ?

 

[EuroTrotters]

I think the French and Italians are first in that que….

I would have thought ...Nexit!

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

(not so sure by the Guardia/ local policia )

Why do you say that ?

An off the cuff personal comment / observation driven by no sound data only by general media coverage of poorly behaved Brits in areas such as Benidorm ( where copious amounts of well behaved Brits also holiday).

The press seem to latch onto - as recent pre lockdown coverage of Brits in pools abusing COVID rules and running groups of Brits telling the Guardia that they have COVID and will do what they like.

Byass reporting? other nations have just as bad thugs?

Either way the local, Guardia and national police - as in other countries- have better things to do than manage mushroom drunk persons being a law unto themselves.

We were all young once and not all of us were angels, I guess

 

[Barclaybasher]

An off the cuff personal comment / observation driven by no sound data only by general media coverage of poorly behaved Brits in areas such as Benidorm ( where copious amounts of well behaved Brits also holiday).

The press seem to latch onto - as recent pre lockdown coverage of Brits in pools abusing COVID rules and running groups of Brits telling the Guardia that they have COVID and will do what they like.

Byass reporting? other nations have just as bad thugs?

Either way the local, Guardia and national police - as in other countries- have better things to do than manage mushroom drunk persons being a law unto themselves.

We were all young once and not all of us were angels, I guess

So without any personal experience you as a Brit are happy to run down your own countrymen/women - Why?

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

As stated in my ‘run down’, there are copious amounts of Brits who are well behaved and are other nations as bad?

But to counter your post, and in the spirit of rule one to not personalise, the press does like to latch on to highlighting poor Brit behaviour - as stated.

How true it is remains to be quantified…

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