So what is the law on gatherings?

[Boris7]

None of it makes any sense, why do you need face masks in an empty shop, but not in a busy pub?

Why do restaurant staff wear face shields and pub serving staff don’t ?

Supermarket staff obviously have some immunity as they no longer wear masks while stacking shelves of doing customers on line shopping.

Garage forecourts have no rules, or if they do they all seem to ignore them.

Children and teenagers mix in large numbers on the village green and play football etc, but can’t visit each others houses.

I visited the hospital in the week and because it’s a no smoking area patients and staff from all areas gather together outside the grounds in a large group (40+) to smoke, before returning to their beds /jobs.

Hospital toilets have no hand soap, paper towels or sanitiser and the hand dryers are turned off.

 

[gus-lopez]

Hospital toilets have no hand soap, paper towels or sanitiser and the hand dryers are turned off.

Amazing!. Here the one thing even before the virus appeared was that a spanish hospital,& its toilets, when cleaned took your breath away with the chlorine.

 

[Jim]

when cleaned took your breath away with the chlorine.

If ever I forget what a toilet smells like and want to remember, I just think of Spain's streets in high summer

 

[LilacSea]

We came back from Scotland last week. We stayed on an independent campsite no visitors were allowed form outside.
I asked the CMC what they were doing in Scotland ( grandchildren live up there) they said no visitors allowed to their club sites, but Cl owners could decide for themselves and we might find places where we could all meet up but still only outside I think.

 

[Lenny HB]

OK so you can have 50 people in a restaurant 1m apart from 25 households in a confined space but you can only have 6 people in your garden which is 5 times the size of the restaurant and its in the open air.
Just barmy it should be the other way round, it would be much safer.

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[Barclaybasher]

Amazing!. Here the one thing even before the virus appeared was that a spanish hospital,& its toilets, when cleaned took your breath away with the chlorine.

On the ferry last night (Spanish) went to the cafeteria - tried the hand gel at the entrance - nada

So many had a drink just so they could sit without a mask - me included

Social distancing? - hardly any

....it didn't bother me but was surprised on a Spanish ferry

 

[Catchic]

The one thing this virus has definitely killed is logic. Particularly of those in parliament.
maybe the asymptomatic really do have symptoms? It's addled their brains.

 

[Potty]

What about meeting people from other households indoors?
From 10 July limited indoor gatherings will also be permitted. A maximum of 8 people, from up to 3 different households can meet indoors. That comprises the household whose house the gathering is in and people from two additional households. We know that some individual households comprise more than 8 people, but it is nevertheless important to restrict the number of people meeting within enclosed spaces, which is why we are advising that only 8 people should meet at a time. As long as physical distancing between different households is maintained, this can include overnight stays. Individuals from different households are advised to keep 2 metres apart, be careful to clean surfaces if you touch them and wash your hands regularly, including when you enter someone’s house. You should not meet with people from any more than 4 different households in total in any single day, whether indoors or outdoors.

This is the rule in Scotland. How many houses would be able to accommodate that number of people and maintain social distancing between groups? Children under 11 aren’t required to SD, so could be going between groups, hugging and kissing.

 

[Taran_Las]

As MotorHomeFun is my adopted family I can eat and drink with up to 30 of you at a time.

How spiffing ​

 

[Jim]

As MotorHomeFun is my adopted family I can eat and drink with up to 30 of you at a time.

How spiffing ​

But only if we all live in one of just two households.

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[Barclaybasher]

What about meeting people from other households indoors?
From 10 July limited indoor gatherings will also be permitted. A maximum of 8 people, from up to 3 different households can meet indoors. That comprises the household whose house the gathering is in and people from two additional households. We know that some individual households comprise more than 8 people, but it is nevertheless important to restrict the number of people meeting within enclosed spaces, which is why we are advising that only 8 people should meet at a time. As long as physical distancing between different households is maintained, this can include overnight stays. Individuals from different households are advised to keep 2 metres apart, be careful to clean surfaces if you touch them and wash your hands regularly, including when you enter someone’s house. You should not meet with people from any more than 4 different households in total in any single day, whether indoors or outdoors.

This is the rule in Scotland. How many houses would be able to accommodate that number of people and maintain social distancing between groups? Children under 11 aren’t required to SD, so could be going between groups, hugging and kissing.

Can someone explain how they come up with these SO precise rules?

 

[SpeedyDux]

No.although iit was linked in many articles it was for charity and voluntary services etc.

Charity and voluntary services etc is a handy excuse for PR photo opps for our Royals.

We are not fooled. It is the people the Royals meet who do the actual charity and voluntary services work, not them. Arrangements for a Royal flying visit are a massive extra burden.

 

[Larrynwin]

The complexity of the rules no doubt make it confusing but to use that or the apparent behaviour of others as an excuse to do as you please and ignore what is basic common sense is purely selfish.
It’s coming back because of that selfish attitude

 

[g3cwi]

Can someone explain how they come up with these SO precise rules?

I cannot but there has been much criticism of unclear guidance so perhaps they are aiming for greater clarity?

 

[Just smiffy]

Listen you load of pheasants its because I’m an unelected important person that is considerably richer than thou.....
Do as I say and not as I do..... dam pheasants....

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[Steve and Denise]

By all accounts the Asians have the largest family’s.
I have just been sent a video of an Asian gathering but will not post it on here as a lot on here would not cope with the increase BLOOD PRESSURE

 

[Larrynwin]

By all accounts the Asians have the largest family’s.
I have just been sent a video of an Asian gathering but will not post it on here as a lot on here would not cope with the increase BLOOD PRESSURE ☹

Oh go on you know it makes sense

 

[Steve and Denise]

Ok then some swearing !

 

[Steve and Denise]

Not sure how to but I can email or wats app 07770 996726

 

[gus-lopez]

So many had a drink just so they could sit without a mask - me included

Well from the outset that was the general thought that once you entered you could take the mask off ,eat,drink,smoke whilst sat at the table. If you got up to use toilets, go to bar mask had to be put on.
In most regions now ,including here, & after fines dished out in their 000's ,it has now been agreed that you can only remove the mask whilst eating or drinking. So you sit there want a mouthful,lift mask put food in mask down ,chomp, drink, lift mask drink mask down etc;etc;etc, or pay 100€ if caught.
Smoking is in no way allowed as an excuse to remove/lift mask.

it didn't bother me but was surprised on a Spanish ferry

surprises me also?

You should.
Ocean farming is destroying the 'harvest'.
Fish farms are appallingly polluting and habitat-destructive. Approx 20-25% premature death from disease, lice etc, with lorry-loads being shipped away from the fish farms to landfill. River or sea bed beneath turned barren from the uneaten rotting food, dead fish, and defecation.
Fish are living creatures, as are chickens etc - why should we think we have the right to destroy a life - unpleasantly - for a very short-term, non-essential bit of 'pleasure' in eating it?
And from a selfish-humanity perspective, the fish population is now horribly polluted by our waste - who'd want to eat it?

Did you see the report on the chinese fishing fleet yesterday? So large ,300miles wide, it can be seen from space & hoovers up everything. Then there is the waste & plastic dumped overboard

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[mitzimad]

As heir to the throne everyone is part of his all inclusive family, remember were all in it together

 

[Riverbankannie]

I read up on it yesterday and decided that the bit that I have put in bold applies to us for the meet.

Gathering in larger groups
You should only be socialising in groups of up to 2 households (including your support bubble) indoors and outdoors or up to 6 people from different households when outdoors.

More generally, you can continue to meet in larger groups if necessary for work, voluntary or charitable services, education, childcare or training, elite sporting competition or training, to fulfil legal obligations, to provide emergency assistance, or to enable someone to avoid illness, injury or risk of harm.

You can also meet in larger groups for weddings (from 1 August this will include sit-down wedding receptions), funerals, religious ceremonies and services, community activities and support groups - which should be limited to no more than 30 people and subject to COVID-19 secure guidelines.

 

[Jim]

I read up on it yesterday and decided that the bit that I have put in bold applies to us for the meet.

Except I think they rescinded that when they took a step beck yesterday. Try not to worry, I will have a definitive procedure in place by Wednesday.

 

[Langtoftlad]

The complexity of the rules no doubt make it confusing but to use that or the apparent behaviour of others as an excuse to do as you please and ignore what is basic common sense is purely selfish.
It’s coming back because of that selfish attitude

The human being, as are all animals, is at it's core selfish.
It's why the mask/face covering is such a mess & ineffectual... because the main message is that wearing one doesn't protect you, it's to protect others.
Mention a shortage & there's panic buying.
My time is more important than your time.
Etc etc.

Yes, we've developed societal rules to help us live in close proximity, but they don't override instinct & genetics when push comes to shove

 

[carolyn]

I read the whole of irnbru post plus the gov.uk website and if we class ourselves as a club then I would read it that we could meet in a group no larger than 30 in a venue , be it a field or hall but would need to practice SD. If you socialiased in one another’s Motorhomes though you would need to choose your bubble perhaps to reduce your risk. If it was a hall you’d have to provide hand sanitizers , toilets, cleaning but not in a field.

A club I belong to is restarting in a hall on the 10th and there’s about 15 of us.
I was so slow I’ve just seen what Jim’s written so it may be changed.

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[Jim]

The first thing we need to do is know what constitutes a gathering. If a number of people all separated1m+ is a gathering then my village is one big illegal gathering. Is a gathering a group of people ignoring social distancing?

 

[Janine]

If the query is regarding the Funster meet, can't it be classed as a pop-up campsite or does that only apply to C&CC?

 

[scousebird]

We are on a THS atm and no social gatherings are allowed apart from upto 6 people outside and socially distanced. The THS is classed as a temporary campsite. It has been made clear that there are to be no gatherings in MHs/caravans or awnings.

 

[Potty]

The first thing we need to do is know what constitutes a gathering. If a number of people all separated1m+ is a gathering then my village is one big illegal gathering. Is a gathering a group of people ignoring social distancing?

Same here and has been since the beginning. Does stopping to talk to a friend when walking the dog (SD observed) count as meeting them? Or chatting while queuing outside a shop?

 

[The Wino]

Like most people I now have no idea what the rules are, I just try to be sensible and hope for the best. Having had covid, I hope we have some immunity, but don't count on it.

Have you had an antibody test just wondered as I recall your antigen test was negative.

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