Sick of fake motorhome awards that deceive the public?

maison said:
While a great idea I share some of Kannon Fodda reservations.

If there are 500 owners of Motorhomes A, of whom 105 express satisfaction, and only 15 owners of Motorhome B who all express satisfaction, how would that be recorded?

It would appear that 105 like one m/h and only 15 like the other. The dissatisfied would not be represented.

Also, with a vote of, say 100 satisfied customers, it would be meaningless without knowing how many members actually own that marque. Is it only 100 or 1000? It would skew the results.

If those problems can be resolved it is great idea and I would fully support it.
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Valid points.

It is impossible to know how many members own what because many do not declare what they own, at least not other than e.g. A Class.

Are MHs, dealers and servicing experience back to 2000 to be included.

Some Continental models would not get a look in because so few are owned by UK Members.

Nice thought Jim to counter the biased awards, but I think the problems are difficult.

Maybe ask statisticians for their views.
 
Most flimsiest fly screen.....?
 
Jim said:
Then that would win as it would be the most popular among us. It's how any awards work.
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Precisely.

Vehicle A

105 liked the vehicle
485 didn’t.

Vehicle B
All 15 owners liked the vehicle
0 owners disliked it

According to the voting, counting only the total of satisfied people, a vehicle that approx 80% of people didn’t like, wins while a vehicle that 100% of owners like comes way down the list.

Without knowing how many people own the model, then the number of satisfied/dissatisfied doesn’t give enough information on vehicle reliability etc.

Because of this I am not sure that the results would have any validity for people looking for advice on what is good and what isn’t.

If this can be resolved then the resource would be better than magazine published results. If not, I am not sure it adds a great deal of useful information.
 
maison said:
105 liked the vehicle
485 didn’t.
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How would we know 485 had any experience of the motorhome. :doh: We'll be asking people to vote for their favourite motorhome in a shortlist from a particular category? Or maybe you'd like every maker to get an award much like the way the magazines do it?

Jim said:
We also need to draw up some shortlists for vans for us to vote on, things like

Best MH under 6m
Best Family van
Best PVC
Best Luxury
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Jim said:
How would we know 485 had any experience of the motorhome. :doh: We'll be asking people to vote for their favourite motorhome in a shortlist from a particular category? Or maybe you'd like every maker to get an award much like the way the magazines do it?
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No not at all.

I have made my comments, you don’t agree that it’s a problem.

Fair enough.

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To answer the question in post title.

Sick of fake motorhome awards that deceive the public?​


Not really - as I would not pay them much attention.

And I'm not sure adding a whole load more
"MHF Awards 2025" would make any difference to me.

Clearly someone, somewhere will have to spend a load of time collating & publicising them.

However, this could potentially be good for the MHF brand, I suppose.
 
Obviously the idea is to influence companies and locations to improve, so can we broaden the scope to include campsites and parking?

Most MH friendly council
Least MH friendly council
Best Aire in UK
Best value for money campsite
Worst value for money campsite
 
maison said:
have made my comments, you don’t agree that it’s a problem.
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It's not that I don't agree, I don't understand where you are coming from

5 motorhomes in a category. ABCDE. Which one gets your vote. Why are you trying to complicate that?.
 
steve69 said:
Problem is, most on here won't have had enough experience of "other vans" as opposed to the ones they have tried.
I've only ever owned my one Elddis, so who else could I vote for?
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Yes agree, it becomes a sort of echo chamber to say “what a great choice i made” ?

Ive only had three, and they are all much of a muchness - Bessacar, Burstner and Rapido.

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enark said:
Yes agree, it becomes a sort of echo chamber to say “what a great choice i made” ?
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Getting the nominees for each category will be the difficult bit. That will be open voting and the echo chamber could play it's part. But we need to get to a meaningful set of nominees, we can't just foist the nominees on the members.

Then armed with a paragraph or two about why it was chosen, and members can vote, and we should get a fair representation of what are the Funsters favourites.
 
Salesman you least/most want to strangle with his own tie.
Vaguest warranty conditions.
"Ryan Air" award for the worst T&C's around what's included ("Sure, a pint is 40p. Oh, you want it in a glass? That'll be £17...")
 
Jim said:
It's not that I don't agree, I don't understand where you are coming from

5 motorhomes in a category. ABCDE. Which one gets your vote. Why are you trying to complicate that?.
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Maybe my explanations are inadequate or I don’t fully understand what you are trying to achieve.

I fully accept your proposal but can’t see that it adds anything to what is currently available.

If I understand it what you are proposing is

MHF Forum provides a list of motorhome manufacturers/converters for members to peruse and vote for their favourite. This is then published on MHF and/or elsewhere.

My concern:-

Without a way for Members to express dissatisfaction with a brand it does not help anyone to make an “informed” choice. It simply gives an idea of the availability of a particular model. Eg there will probably be more votes for, say, Hymer than for WildAx, as there are many more of the former about. People are likely to vote for their existing unit, unless they have experienced problems.



I’m sorry if we are at cross purposes here but I see that as a problem if you are trying to assist people making a choice between marques.

As I said earlier, if there is a way around this then great, otherwise it adds little to what is currently out there.


If I am still not understanding your proposal properly can you please correct me. I may have totally the wrong end of the stick but I am basing my comment on my own understanding of your proposal, perhaps incorrectly.

I don’t want to get into a prolonged argument about what I think is a basically a good idea, just not totally sure how useful all that work would be.
 
maison said:
Maybe my explanations are inadequate or I don’t fully understand what you are trying to achieve.

I fully accept your proposal but can’t see that it adds anything to what is currently available.

If I understand it what you are proposing is

MHF Forum provides a list of motorhome manufacturers/converters for members to peruse and vote for their favourite. This is then published on MHF and/or elsewhere.

My concern:-

Without a way for Members to express dissatisfaction with a brand it does not help anyone to make an “informed” choice. It simply gives an idea of the availability of a particular model. Eg there will probably be more votes for, say, Hymer than for WildAx, as there are many more of the former about. People are likely to vote for their existing unit, unless they have experienced problems.



I’m sorry if we are at cross purposes here but I see that as a problem if you are trying to assist people making a choice between marques.

As I said earlier, if there is a way around this then great, otherwise it adds little to what is currently out there.


If I am still not understanding your proposal properly can you please correct me. I may have totally the wrong end of the stick but I am basing my comment on my own understanding of your proposal, perhaps incorrectly.

I don’t want to get into a prolonged argument about what I think is a basically a good idea, just not totally sure how useful all that work would be.
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Sorry, I still don't get your concerns, giving people a way to express their dissatisfaction!! Why are you trying to complicate things? It's Funsters Favourites, if they don't like something, they'll express their dissatisfaction by not voting for it.

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Jim said:
I am. It's just so annoying to continually see awards go to companies with the largest advertising budget. So I want to develop some awards of our own that we can issue annually.

I need to develop a list of categories that companies might win. Ideas so far.

Some of the more obvious

Best van Converter
Best Manufacturer
Best dealer New
Best Dealer Used
Best Motorhome sales person
The Rudest Saleperson
Best Motorhome after-sales
Most returns for warranty work
Worst PDI ?
Best/Worst Accessory

We also need to draw up some shortlists for vans for us to vote on, things like

Best MH under 6m
Best Family van
Best PVC
Best Luxury

If you can suggest some categories, and if anyone can help build the shortlists, please shout up.

Cheers
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Best value security I.e Tracker, immobilisation, alarm system,
 
Jim said:
Sorry, I still don't get your concerns, giving people a way to express their dissatisfaction!! Why are you trying to complicate things? It's Funsters Favourites, if they don't like something, they'll express their dissatisfaction by not voting for it.
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With so many very polarised opinions on this site about almost everything my view is that it would need a strict criteria on which opinions are set against otherwise it’s difficult to see how useful it will be. But not my ball and after all it is not mandatory to read it. Potentially a useful resource.
 
pandas said:
With so many very polarised opinions on this site about almost everything my view is that it would need a strict criteria on which opinions are set against otherwise it’s difficult to see how useful it will be.
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People have different opinions and express them on a forum: shock horror! '\. You mean tell people how to vote?
 
As an award winner myself, for Most effective use of IT in Utilities, Energy and Telecoms, 2005... :Grin:

...I can categorically attest to the complete pointlessness of such "industry awards" :giggler:

Of course, this doesn't mean some MHF 'our X thousand members voted for...' awards wouldn't have a little more integrity. :clap:

PS. If they were to be acknowledged by the wider MH community (which clearly also helps boost MHF's presence), I would agree a clear set of criteria would be needed to clarify the purpose of each/any award.
 
Jim said:
Sorry, I still don't get your concerns, giving people a way to express their dissatisfaction!! Why are you trying to complicate things? It's Funsters Favourites, if they don't like something, they'll express their dissatisfaction by not voting for it.
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OK, Jim.

It’s your site.
 
If its the fake awards you dont like why not as they come up ask members to vote on wether they agree or disagree and why
 
maison said:
While a great idea I share some of Kannon Fodda reservations.

If there are 500 owners of Motorhomes A, of whom 105 express satisfaction, and only 15 owners of Motorhome B who all express satisfaction, how would that be recorded?

It would appear that 105 like one m/h and only 15 like the other. The dissatisfied would not be represented.

Also, with a vote of, say 100 satisfied customers, it would be meaningless without knowing how many members actually own that marque. Is it only 100 or 1000? It would skew the results.

If those problems can be resolved it is great idea and I would fully support it.
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Probably easy enough to do on a spreadsheet and using percentages rather than actual numbers. Still won't be the best representation, but we need to start somewhere.
 

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