Self levelling system price?

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We’re picking up our Burstner Elegance soon and I was thinking of getting a self levelling system put on, but have just been told that because it’s tag axel and 5 tonnes, it’ll be about £6k! Has anybody got experience and is that about right? Thanks
 
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Littlewheels said:
I do not doubt your footplates weight -2kg, however, the one l have seen and turned down weighed considerably more and l have no knowledge of your set up of a Jack and Ramps in addition the OP made no mention of these.
l added a comment in the hope of assisting the OP and l don’t want you hiding behind a keyboard telling me my contribution is Rubbish.
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The footplate cover being referred to are ones shown and discussed in this thread, so it would probable have been wise for to have referenced the considerably heavier footplate rather than just come out with your statement which is totally wrong for the footplate cover being referred to in this thread.

I would have though it would have been fairly obvious that the need to carry around now redundant levelling ramps with you after a self levelling system being fitted would offset the weight along with the no longer needed jack as demonstrated earlier in this thread.

As for your " l don’t want you hiding behind a keyboard telling me my contribution is Rubbish." comment, that would appear to be exactly what you are doing with that jibe.
 
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Two on Tour said:
The footplate cover being referred to are ones shown and discussed in this thread, so it would probable have been wise for to have referenced the considerably heavier footplate rather than just come out with your statement which is totally wrong for the footplate cover being referred to in this thread.

I would have though it would have been fairly obvious that the need to carry around now redundant levelling ramps with you after a self levelling system being fitted would offset the weight along with the no longer needed jack as demonstrated earlier in this thread.

As for your " l don’t want you hiding behind a keyboard telling me my contribution is Rubbish." comment, that would appear to be exactly what you are doing with that jibe.
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Keep digging your defence is pathetic.

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Two on Tour said:
but don't forget that you deduct from that the 8Kg for the jack and the 6Kg for the levelling ramps you no longer need.
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That's only if you take them out. I have a lovely jack + handle, along with some tool that allows lowering of the spare wheel & triangles all in a footwell compartment. I haven't used a jack supplied with a vehicle ever. I carry a trolley jack & my own triangles also. I really should throw all the other stuff in the bin but don't
 
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gus-lopez said:
That's only if you take them out. I have a lovely jack + handle, along with some tool that allows lowering of the spare wheel & triangles all in a footwell compartment. I haven't used a jack supplied with a vehicle ever. I carry a trolley jack & my own triangles also. I really should throw all the other stuff in the bin but don't
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Are, but do you have a self levelling system along with these prized and much cared for items to assist you ?
I held onto the jack handle as it doubles up as a wheel brace and spare wheel lowering tool on our van.
I never considered the OEM supplied jack with our MH as fit for purpose and I'm very wary of these types of jacks after one gave way and slipped on my some years ago trapping a finger between the jack and a trailer carrying a car and the finger is still flat and wide to this day, as a result, as you a trolley jack was what I carried in previous vans.
 
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If forums, or even the internet were about in 1980, I wonder if folk would be arguing over electric water pumps verses a hand / foot pump for their cold water. Self levelling jacks are an asset by making life easier. We could all live without them, and many do. I certainly did. Plus they are very expensive. Now that I have them, I would never have a van without them again. Any more than I would have cold, hand pumped water now.
 
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Two on Tour said:
It will probably be these. Just fitted a set on ours a couple of weeks ago.

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I did look at these, was offered them at Morelo for €99 when I collected the Motorhome. I did read a few reports on the German forums of them cracking so opted for SnapPads instead. They are made from recycled tyres, so no chance of cracking and provide a larger overall footprint. I am more than happy with them.

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Garry - June said:
I'm sure they were.... but is this the reason you had the system fitted....which is my point.. ;-)
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I had it fitted for various reasons as follows;

1/ Level and stable on site.

2/ Safe and stable jacking for tyre changing and maintenance issues,

3/ Ability to lift wheels in a muddy field and self rescue with bread crates etc.

I have used all three of the above,

Last thing I would say is that it also increases the saleability of the van when you are ready to move on ;) but that not a primary benefit.
 
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The Lb’s said:
We’re picking up our Burstner Elegance soon and I was thinking of getting a self levelling system put on, but have just been told that because it’s tag axel and 5 tonnes, it’ll be about £6k! Has anybody got experience and is that about right? Thanks
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It’s worth checking around for a price, you never know if the weight/tag axle thing is being used as an excuse to bump the price up.
Our HPC system was <£5k fitted by AS Suspension in Warrington, though a shorter lighter vehicle it can’t make that much difference, as it’s only using different grade jacks, it would be well worth checking this out with Cath and Phil at AS.
A lot is made of the price of these systems versus plastic ramps but if you’re willing to pay it really is a very useful upgrade. Levelling is only part of it and it can achieve that much better than any ramps, stability is the greatest bonus, no swaying about when walking or in the wind, saving your tyres while in storage, fridge working properly every time because it’s level, draining the waste tank fully, getting you off muddy fields because your tyres haven’t sunk in while parked up, changing wheels, maintenance.
If we were changing motorhome now I would factor in the price so we had it again, wouldn’t be without it now.
Either E&P or HPC you won’t regret it.

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The Lb’s said:
We’re picking up our Burstner Elegance soon and I was thinking of getting a self levelling system put on, but have just been told that because it’s tag axel and 5 tonnes, it’ll be about £6k! Has anybody got experience and is that about right? Thanks
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I have just been quoted £5700 to have them fitted to our 4250kg Pilote.

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With regard to the weight of the tag axle motorhome at 5 tonnes. The E&P lowest rated jacks are rated at two tonnes each, giving a total lift capacity of eight tonnes, more then enough for a 5 tonne motorhome, and remember that there is at least a 1.5 x safety margin when calculating the weight rating of the jacks if not 2 x so I cannot see why you should have to pay extra just because it's a tag axle rated at 5 tonnes.
 
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Coastal Cruiser. said:
Obviously passed out with the shock before he could finish the post😂😂
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LOL laptop kept updating it before I had finished typing - thats my excuse and I am sticking to it.
I cant believe I got approval for the purchase from Mrs Colpot, although it is she that needs to be dead level to sleep. My faffing about with ramps and spirit level over the years have obviously done the business.
 
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Has anyone with self levelling had them fail? We did on an American RV, one of the front rams would not retract so we got stuck on a site, it would extend though so in attempts to make it work we were getting higher!! I was told to take the weight off the ram to see if it would reset, the site managed to find be a trolley jack and various bits of wood as we were quite high even before this problem. Taking the weight off did nothing and then one of those gifts in life happened. The site had emptied being a Sunday and now it was late afternoon, a single caravanner appeared and set up a few pitches down. The chap had been casually watching us and after a few hours strolled over and asked if the jacks were hydraulic, yes they are I replied, he rolled up his very white shirt sleeves and slid underneath the RV. Asked for a 17mm spanner and then swapped around the hydraulic lines which then allowed the ram to be retracted on the extend setting. Stunned I queried what he did and how he knew - turned out he was a forklift engineer and it was his day off lol!
For reference, each ram on this RV had its own fluid tank, it used heavy-duty relays to control the pumps direction, one had failed so swapping the lines around we could get the ram retracted.
 
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Not had a problem but in the E&P manual there are instructions for manually retracting the jacks but it requires and electric drill.

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We have E&P jacks which we have moved from van to van, originally fitted by E&P Blackburn, then moved to next van by SAP, also serviced by E&P.

These have only faltered once, the cause was I started the engine with the Jacks down and released the hand brake ready to drive off, the jacks started to retract (which I had forgotten were down) this startled me so I very quickly put the handbrake back on and turned off the engine. Oooops, the jacks stopped and then refused to respond to the remote or the main controller, we tried with engine on, off, running etc.. no response at all, in the end we removed the fuse to the Jacks put it back in and all was good. Not had a repeat, as amazingly I learnt my lesson :clap:

Only thing that has failed completely has been the remote, so far we have had 2 replacements, the main control panel continues to work but the remote just stops working. Contact E&P explain the issue try the re-pairing etc.. works again for a day or two then fails again and refuses to operate, they eventually agree to send a replacement once the broken one is returned, last time it failed in the UK just as leaving for Europe, posted it back to them in Germany and and got the replacement sent to site in Spain. So Customer service from E&P, Blackburn was good (y)
 
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Mickey1 said:
So a saving of £300+, would take you to Doncaster with change,

Mickey.
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You are right - does the £5387.40 at SAP include the touchscreen remote pad? Rosmia quoted £5500 without.
Also convenience comes into play - I can drop it off and pick it up locally and keep the holiday days I would use going to Doncaster as I still have to work unfortunately.

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Skyway said:
20 pound levels do same job why spend 6000 ?
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How do they stop the van rocking in a force 7 gale? Hydraulic levelers do. How do they help you change a wheel faster and safer than a jack ?

We have slept through major storms while other motorhomers laid awake thinking their vans were going to blow over.
 
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Mr Colpot said:
You are right - does the £5387.40 at SAP include the touchscreen remote pad? Rosmia quoted £5500 without.
Also convenience comes into play - I can drop it off and pick it up locally and keep the holiday days I would use going to Doncaster as I still have to work unfortunately.
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I really don’t know the answer, but I thought the remote was part of it, best to give them a call. -1302 215296

Mickey
 
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hadders said:
Has anyone with self levelling had them fail? We did on an American RV, one of the front rams would not retract so we got stuck on a site, it would extend though so in attempts to make it work we were getting higher!! I was told to take the weight off the ram to see if it would reset, the site managed to find be a trolley jack and various bits of wood as we were quite high even before this problem. Taking the weight off did nothing and then one of those gifts in life happened. The site had emptied being a Sunday and now it was late afternoon, a single caravanner appeared and set up a few pitches down. The chap had been casually watching us and after a few hours strolled over and asked if the jacks were hydraulic, yes they are I replied, he rolled up his very white shirt sleeves and slid underneath the RV. Asked for a 17mm spanner and then swapped around the hydraulic lines which then allowed the ram to be retracted on the extend setting. Stunned I queried what he did and how he knew - turned out he was a forklift engineer and it was his day off lol!
For reference, each ram on this RV had its own fluid tank, it used heavy-duty relays to control the pumps direction, one had failed so swapping the lines around we could get the ram retracted.
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On my RV the rams are single acting, two large springs either side of the rams retracts them. They do stick sometimes but a bar under the sticky one sorts the problem.
 
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Reading back through, been reminded about stability in wind

I fitted mine after ‘surviving / suffering’ storm force winds in Durness, really got rocked around a lot

was reminded yesterday that maybe a diet is overdue, jacks not deployed when parked at home, leaves a slight slope on roof to keep standing water off. But had forgotten just how much it rocks when I get in and out and move around inside 😳. On top of all the other advantages mentioned, that has been by far the biggest improvement for our use 👍

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any idea on the cost to strip the installation off a MH and move to a new one (if one were to sell the original MH?
 
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