Road Tax

[sfrain145]

Hi guys I wanted to start a threat to see the thoughts on this government and how they are looking after us.
We have a little Citroen c1. With zero road tax. And it looks like it’s going up to £195 give or take a year from April.
We have a motorhome and it’s currently £135 per year but it seems as it’s less than three years old and over £40k in values will be hit with the £600 per year tax and then the road tax is going to £105 I think so if my sums are right we are going from £135 per year for both to £1000 a year. Not a bad way of looking after the normal person paying into this system for over 40years. Oh and the electric car we lease will go from zero tax to £195 but that’s not in our budget.

 

[chaser]

Sorry but don't agree, these are the sort of things that should be taxed hard. Anything that can be managed without rather than taxing people for working hard and trying to save a bit for their retirement.
Fags, beer, holidays, petrol and diesel but claimable back for haulage, anything you can choose to manage without but reducing income tax and rates, electric, water, heating so you have more to spend on what you want.

 

[Figaro]

Hi guys I wanted to start a threat to see the thoughts on this government and how they are looking after us.
We have a little Citroen c1. With zero road tax. And it looks like it’s going up to £195 give or take a year from April.
We have a motorhome and it’s currently £135 per year but it seems as it’s less than three years old and over £40k in values will be hit with the £600 per year tax and then the road tax is going to £105 I think so if my sums are right we are going from £135 per year for both to £1000 a year. Not a bad way of looking after the normal person paying into this system for over 40years. Oh and the electric car we lease will go from zero tax to £195 but that’s not in our budget.

Do you have a link to road fund tax proposals ?
I've not read or heard anything about it

 

[Hettie's Crew]

We have a little Citroen c1. With zero road tax. And it looks like it’s going up to £195 give or take a year from April.

We have a 2017 Citroen C4 that’s free road tax and I’ve looked at the VED changes from April 25 and it’ll be going up to £20, because they’ve deleted the £0 band.
Where do you get that your C1 will be £195?

 

[The Wino]

I don't see someone leasing a new electric car plus having a second car and a motorhome less than 3 years old as hard up or most likely representing a strong case where taxation shouldn't be increased. How does the need not to increase road tax compare to those on the 2 child cap for benefits?

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[Landy Andy]

If people can’t afford to have children then they shouldn’t have them. That’s very different to being to your tax on a vehicle is X only to then later move the goal posts, and increase that amount. Typical UK government.

 

[The Wino]

Just for some balance here's an article on how our tax regeme pre budget encouraged polluting vehicles

UK government creating “a tax haven” for large, luxury cars

The UK is not properly taxing larger, luxury, more-polluting vehicles which is leading to a flood of oversized cars entering the market

www.transportenvironment.org

 

[The Wino]

If people can’t afford to have children then they shouldn’t have them. That’s very different to being to your tax on a vehicle is X only to then later move the goal posts, and increase that amount. Typical UK government.

Are you saying people shouldn't have children unless they have enough saved to pay for the rest of their childhood if they lose their job or have illness that stops them working? You could equally say that people who had children before the changes in child benefit planned under the old system so should continue to receive it.

 

[Landy Andy]

Are you saying people shouldn't have children unless they have enough saved to pay for the rest of their childhood if they lose their job or have illness that stops them working? You could equally say that people who had children before the changes in child benefit planned under the old system so should continue to receive it.

yes. That is what I’m saying. Before having children you need to know you are financially stable enough to bring them up properly and not rely on others. They don’t need to have it saved, but need to know they earn enough and are secure.

But this discussion isn’t about children.

 

[sfrain145]

I don't see someone leasing a new electric car plus having a second car and a motorhome less than 3 years old as hard up or most likely representing a strong case where taxation shouldn't be increased. How does the need not to increase road tax compare to those on the 2 child cap for

We have a 2017 Citroen C4 that’s free road tax and I’ve looked at the VED changes from April 25 and it’ll be going up to £20, because they’ve deleted the £0 band.
Where do you get that your C1 will be £195?

I will find it and fire it over lots of stuff on YouTube also. It’s just anoying as this should be to maintain the roads not to pay a Conservative Party debt

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[sfrain145]

If people can’t afford to have children then they shouldn’t have them. That’s very different to being to your tax on a vehicle is X only to then later move the goal posts, and increase that amount. Typical UK government.

Good one mate I didn’t mention anything about kids as they cost a fortune as we now have gran kids but never asked the Government to help us. Even when was in the military we skimpy and scraped but got through it lol

 

[Spriddler]

I don't see someone leasing a new electric car plus having a second car and a motorhome less than 3 years old as hard up..........

It depends upon how the vehicles and the rest of their lives are financed. I have two acquaintances who display all the trappings of wealth but have little disposable income.
(One of my biker chums, 'Thrifty Peter', is highly skilled in having just an inch of beer left in his glass whenever I greet him at the bar and I'm pretty sure it's because he spots me coming in).

 

[sfrain145]

It depends upon how the vehicles and the rest of their lives are financed. I have two acquaintances who display all the trappings of wealth but have little disposable income.

Saved up to by my dream van the car is an old ish car and the lease car is a family car. We are of the age when we need to be able to use our savings to live to a ripe old age. Deffo not wealthy just sensible hence my gripe on this Government’s choices to us the working class

 

[Hettie's Crew]

I will find it and fire it over lots of stuff on YouTube also. It’s just anoying as this should be to maintain the roads not to pay a Conservative Party debt

Didn’t understand a word of that so thought I’d copy this which shows our March 2017 car goes from £0 to £20.

 

[sfrain145]

Didn’t understand a word of that so thought I’d copy this which shows our March 2017 car goes from £0 to £20.

Road tax is for better roads and not to fund debt

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[Spriddler]

Road tax is for better roads and not to fund debt

It matters not what any tax is called as there's only us to pay it.

 

[stevewagner]

Road tax is for better roads and not to fund debt

It’s not and hasn’t been for years

 

[chaser]

There was a lot to be said for the old purchase tax that we had before vat, tax on luxury not everything.
If you don't remember it , try Googleing it.

 

[enark]

I have not heard of the £40k additional £390 per year for 5 years applying to motorhomes?

Is that been re-introduced?

 

[sfrain145]

I have not heard of the £40k additional £390 per year for 5 years applying to motorhomes?

Is that been re-introduced?

It looks like it but nothing in concrete yet let me get the link to what I found it says £410 going up to £600 for the first five years

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[Stoosal]

I’m not sure I agree with op’s figures.

Vehicles already owned will have VED basically go up by inflation.

New car purchases will be subjected to new rates. The over £40k figures will go up but has been in place for some years now.

 

[10tenmen]

There is a proposed new first year tax on vehicles starting April 2025 so initially you pay extra for the first registration only then it reverts to the increased VED bands.

 

[BikerGraham]

Hi guys I wanted to start a threat to see the thoughts on this government and how they are looking after us.
We have a little Citroen c1. With zero road tax. And it looks like it’s going up to £195 give or take a year from April.
We have a motorhome and it’s currently £135 per year but it seems as it’s less than three years old and over £40k in values will be hit with the £600 per year tax and then the road tax is going to £105 I think so if my sums are right we are going from £135 per year for both to £1000 a year. Not a bad way of looking after the normal person paying into this system for over 40years. Oh and the electric car we lease will go from zero tax to £195 but that’s not in our budget.

From what I understand, the changes would be:-

the zero rated band (A) is being removed and you move to the next band which will be £20 for the C1.

the EV will move to the £190 from April 2025.

the luxury additional rate will apply to those vehicles registered from April 2025. It is not being retrospectively applied. It generally applies between years 2 and 6. The additional rate is £410 plus the normal band rate for that vehicle at the time. So for many £600 in total.


having said that, its always been wrong when a car can have a zero rated band but motorbikes don't. my bike is £111 a year at the moment.

 

[mikebeaches]

From what I understand, the changes would be:-

the zero rated band (A) is being removed and you move to the next band which will be £20 for the C1.

the EV will move to the £190 from April 2025.

the luxury additional rate will apply to those vehicles registered from April 2025. It is not being retrospectively applied. It generally applies between years 2 and 6. The additional rate is £410 plus the normal band rate for that vehicle at the time. So for many £600 in total.

That's pretty much as I understand the proposed taxation of vehicles from April 2025.

With the exception of EVs, the VED for vehicles already registered will increase by RPI.

 

[meanders]

yes. That is what I’m saying. Before having children you need to know you are financially stable enough to bring them up properly and not rely on others. They don’t need to have it saved, but need to know they earn enough and are secure.

But this discussion isn’t about children.

A family up our road had two boys. Within a year then father had died from cancer. Mum had given up work to bring up the children properly. Their world fell apart and she had to rely on benefits for a year until the youngest started school when she went back to teaching part-time, but still needed help for a few years.

If the dad hadn't fallen I'll they were planning to have one more child.

Please don't tell me that people should have a crystal ball into the future, or indeed should never fall onto hard times through no fault of their own. Where is the compassion that?

The children came about because you responded to a perfectly valid comparison between the opening subject and other taxes etc, with an unforgiving and uncaring statement.

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[sfrain145]

From what I understand, the changes would be:-

the zero rated band (A) is being removed and you move to the next band which will be £20 for the C1.

the EV will move to the £190 from April 2025.

the luxury additional rate will apply to those vehicles registered from April 2025. It is not being retrospectively applied. It generally applies between years 2 and 6. The additional rate is £410 plus the normal band rate for that vehicle at the time. So for many £600 in total.


having said that, its always been wrong when a car can have a zero rated band but motorbikes don't. my bike is £111 a year at the moment.

I hope you are right as that sounds better. I think I read the media that frightens us. The EV the lease company will pay for the little car I can live with and if you are right about the motorhome as we really don’t use it as much as we should. Work is a hindering issue. Cheers for the great info

 

[TrudeandDall]

having said that, its always been wrong when a car can have a zero rated band but motorbikes don't. my bike is £111 a year at the moment.
Exactly.......

 

[Hettie's Crew]

Didn’t understand a word of that so thought I’d copy this which shows our March 2017 car goes from £0 to £20.

Vehicle tax for electric and low emission vehicles

How the Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) changes from 1 April 2025 will affect your vehicle.

www.gov.uk

 

[Carpmart]

Woooaaahhh - let’s back up a little here!

Are the collective now saying that my zero road tax Aygo is now attracting some form of tax to be paid? Anyone got a source for this information? When does it get applied from?

Can you tax vehicles early for a year?

 

[Hettie's Crew]

Woooaaahhh - let’s back up a little here!

Are the collective now saying that my zero road tax Aygo is now attracting some form of tax to be paid? Anyone got a source for this information? When does it get applied from?

Can you tax vehicles early for a year?

It’s in the Gov link above.