Right who is going to France next week?

[glenn2926]

Sorry it’s you that do not understand. Surely nobody wants to catch it. Only a very few are at home shielding due to other medical related issues. But you have made a big assumption that everybody else is cowering behind the curtains unless they are travelling across Europe prending everything is normal. Not so; we have a good quality of life and are engaging with family and friends and doing most stuff whilst being aware. Again my real point is please do not make an assumption that because we are not following your own pathway that we are all cowards. Try and be respectful of others views that maybe different to your own.

That’s going to work both ways I hope. There are some on here calling the people who are living their lives as near to normal as possible idiots and a few other choice names. Just because they are not cowering and hiding.

 

[Hymerbell]

HAL is in 2001 a space oddity, Marvin the paranoid android in Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, Robbie the robot in Lost in space and Matt Damon the half robot in Elysium.

I may not know much about Covid, but I know my robots

Red Dwarf ?

 

[Hymerbell]

So we all agree then! why are these discussions coming up each time someone posts about going to EU? respect each others ways of staying safe. Yours is to stay in uk and socialise with friends and family (which has it's own inherent risks of spreading cv but which i recon all the posters on here talking about motorhoming in Europe are fine with you doing and wouldn't put you down for) ours is to travel to Europe mostly by tunnel not leaving vehicle and then isolating with our partners whilst touring the beautiful countryside aires with perhaps the odd restaurant meal outside. I know that for me my risk of catching or spreading cv is less here than if i was at home as i live in a city and have many friends and family nearby who would be expecting me to visit them and the temptation to lapse with sd would be much higher. I would definitely be spending time in a room with my mum who is over 60 and so there would be risk to her but also she is living her life going to the gym and cinema so who knows she could be more likely to give it to me. Out here the only risk we have is around sourcing food and we would be doing that at home anyway.

So maybe it's time to draw a line under these endless bickerings and admit there is no one single right way to do this?

Well said....although touring Europe is better

 

[Janecambridge]

That’s going to work both ways I hope. There are some on here calling the people who are living their lives as near to normal as possible idiots and a few other choice names. Just because they are not cowering and hiding.

No one said “idiot”.What other names.?

Of course everyone wants to live life to the full,but our government has advised NOT travellling to certain countries.Why defy that? I’m not going to,but I’m not cowering and hiding.Im doing my best to keep my risks down.For myself,my loved ones and my patients.

 

[jonasw19]

HAL

Marvin?
Brain the size of a planet

Ok waaaay too slow..
Back to sleep
Jon

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[Sue]

I am not sure you quite understand what people are saying. Some are so polarised in their view (maybe you are in this category) - with percieved options of either hide inside or act as if there is no pandemic that they loose their compass. To be clear most would not like to be in lock-down again and the reason for the interventions/restrictions is try and prevent this from happening whilst trying to get on with our lives as best we can. Just to remind you pubs and restaurants are open, there is even a discount scheme to encourage you to go. People are going about their work with the protocols in place unless they can work from home, children will be going back to school next term. But in order to allow this to happen we cannot act as if there is no pandemic, don't to go mass events, church services, raves, wear masks, keep to social distancing etc and if we do we can manage to get to a better place than we were even before. If we don't the we will be in real lock-down again. So put your own negative views of how you believe other people are reacting and go and thrash that credit card of yours which will in some small way help the economy - but do it within the sprit of whats being asked of us. For me my credit card spend is about 15% down on what it would be normally.

Are you ‘so polarised in your view’.
It does appear that anyone with a different opinion to yours is negative, reckless (spending money is trashing a credit card?) and blind. Despite that fact that we all have the same access to the figures.....some of us see that deaths are very very low, the NHS is saved, our knowledge of treatment has improved, and people now getting the disease are largely asymptomatic.
France seems like the same pleasant place to visit and if the crazy rules don’t become even more crazy , then I am one of those who choose to go. You choose not to, my neighbour hasn’t been out for nearly 5 months because she is convinced it’s there waiting to get her, despite the fact that not one person she knows, or any of us in the area where I live knows, has had it, and the figures for deaths and hospitalisation are low. She sees it differently to me, and that perception is dictating how she lives (if that is living). She is following the rules because she feels safe by doing so, I respect that is what is right for her, it is her choice. I’m also sure, like you and many of us, her credit card spending is very much diminished, but then again, that’s a pretty grim story for many businesses.

 

[Two on Tour]

Red Dwarf ?

Their robot is Kryten and their computer is Holly

 

[pandas]

Are you ‘so polarised in your view’.
It does appear that anyone with a different opinion to yours is negative, reckless (spending money is trashing a credit card?) and blind. Despite that fact that we all have the same access to the figures.....some of us see that deaths are very very low, the NHS is saved, our knowledge of treatment has improved, and people now getting the disease are largely asymptomatic.
France seems like the same pleasant place to visit and if the crazy rules don’t become even more crazy , then I am one of those who choose to go. You choose not to, my neighbour hasn’t been out for nearly 5 months because she is convinced it’s there waiting to get her, despite the fact that not one person she knows, or any of us in the area where I live knows, has had it, and the figures for deaths and hospitalisation are low. She sees it differently to me, and that perception is dictating how she lives (if that is living). She is following the rules because she feels safe by doing so, I respect that is what is right for her, it is her choice. I’m also sure, like you and many of us, her credit card spending is very much diminished, but then again, that’s a pretty grim story for many businesses.

chill Sue, haven't a problem with whatever you want to do, your choice I think that point has been made on this post several times before. as long as it doesn't make things worse for everybody do what you want. I said 'thrash' not 'trash' which makes quite a bit of difference and was meant as as bit of light humour.

 

[Sue]

chill Sue, haven't a problem with whatever you want to do, your choice I think that point has been made on this post several times before. as long as it doesn't make things worse for everybody do what you want. I said 'thrash' not 'trash' which makes quite a bit of difference and was meant as as bit of light humour.

I am so chilled, and looking forward to France
Hope you have lots to look forward to as well
Good advice fo us both ....Sit back and relax
Seems we also have a different sense of humour...but such is life.

 

[Sue]

Xx

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[PeteH]

Don`t know how or if relevant. But this was on a News Feed earlier to-day:-

Quote:-

Some motorists had hoped that driving straight through from Germany and boarding a ferry at a French or Dutch port immediately would save them having to self-isolate on return to the UK.

But the Department for Transport (DfT) has told The Independent that because the occupants of a car must leave the vehicle before sailing – for safety reasons – they are deemed to have mixed with others while the ship is tied up in a French or Dutch port.

They are therefore liable for 14 days of self-isolation on arrival in the UK.

?.

 

[Sue]

Don`t know how or if relevant. But this was on a News Feed earlier to-day:-

Quote:-

Some motorists had hoped that driving straight through from Germany and boarding a ferry at a French or Dutch port immediately would save them having to self-isolate on return to the UK.

But the Department for Transport (DfT) has told The Independent that because the occupants of a car must leave the vehicle before sailing – for safety reasons – they are deemed to have mixed with others while the ship is tied up in a French or Dutch port.

They are therefore liable for 14 days of self-isolation on arrival in the UK.

?.

That’s a bummer
But
The tunnel is ok.

 

[138go]

Poor old Colyboy isn't going anywhere just now.

 

[suavecarve]

Don`t know how or if relevant. But this was on a News Feed earlier to-day:-

Quote:-

Some motorists had hoped that driving straight through from Germany and boarding a ferry at a French or Dutch port immediately would save them having to self-isolate on return to the UK.

But the Department for Transport (DfT) has told The Independent that because the occupants of a car must leave the vehicle before sailing – for safety reasons – they are deemed to have mixed with others while the ship is tied up in a French or Dutch port.

They are therefore liable for 14 days of self-isolation on arrival in the UK.

?.

It would most certainly appear to be a fact. No returnee on ferry without Q14 from France or Holland at the moment.
To clarify further this includes if you were returning from a "safe" country such as Germany and only transiting with no stops, no socialising or anything. You are deemed to socialise on the boat before you get into the UK. I would post a link to the HMG but i dont have one but checking with p and o or Brittany ferries will confirm it for you. Tunnel is the only way back (unless you rent your own boat) without Q14

 

[Garfields]

Finally bit the bullet and postponed ferry crossing to sometime in 2021 (Newcastle / Amsterdam)
Had always planned to head for Germany
Was happy with the feedback I was getting from German forum re finding places to stay etc
Yes we could have Q14 on return ok
But with the government instructions last week re France and Netherlands along with some personal stuff it was time to through in the towel
In hindsight I had probably already decided in July that we were staying in uk
Will get a trip or two in Scotland or NE England before winter

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[goneoff]

Yes we are planning going over on the 23rd August unless France does impose self isolating restrictions; bit childish if they do a tit for tat.

 

[Barclaybasher]

I'll be off again end of September providing no border closures......

 

[gus-lopez]

what has happened to Real, Barca and Atletico this year?

Yes a nightmare. First time for 24 years no spanish or British teams in the semis.All been left to Sevilla in the europa league final

But the Department for Transport (DfT) has told The Independent that because the occupants of a car must leave the vehicle before sailing – for safety reasons – they are deemed to have mixed with others while the ship is tied up in a French or Dutch port.

They are therefore liable for 14 days of self-isolation on arrival in the UK.

To clarify further this includes if you were returning from a "safe" country such as Germany and only transiting with no stops, no socialising or anything. You are deemed to socialise on the boat before you get into the UK. I would post a link to the HMG but i dont have one but checking with p and o or Brittany ferries will confirm it for you. Tunnel is the only way back (unless you rent your own boat) without Q14

& as I have stated before how can they state that as soon as your pet is checked in at ferry or tunnel he is classed as "on UK soil " if there is any delay & it exceeds the 5 day period? But the owner isn't ?? J ust making it up to suit themselves.
& what s the difference with people exiting from there vehicles on the train ? On the occasions I have had to use it for my wife, she doen't like the kids running & down endlessly banging the doors open.

It isn't going to affect me as I would have to be in the quarantining lot anyway but it is the 2 faced answers re? people & animals.

 

[suavecarve]

& as I have stated before how can they state that as soon as your pet is checked in at ferry or tunnel he is classed as "on UK soil " if there is any delay & it exceeds the 5 day period? But the owner isn't ?? J ust making it up to suit themselves.
& what s the difference with people exiting from there vehicles on the train ? On the occasions I have had to use it for my wife, she doen't like the kids running & down endlessly banging the doors open.

It isn't going to affect me as I would have to be in the quarantining lot anyway but it is the 2 faced answers re? people & animals.

On a personal note, I dont have a dog, and although i am big kid I tend to do a crossword instead of running up and down the train !

 

[nicholsong]

It would most certainly appear to be a fact. No returnee on ferry without Q14 from France or Holland at the moment.
To clarify further this includes if you were returning from a "safe" country such as Germany and only transiting with no stops, no socialising or anything. You are deemed to socialise on the boat before you get into the UK. I would post a link to the HMG but i dont have one but checking with p and o or Brittany ferries will confirm it for you. Tunnel is the only way back (unless you rent your own boat) without Q14

Interesting, because information has been posted on another threadthat travellers and pets are deemed to be in UK once they have passed UK/Pet immigration in France.

It cannot be that you are still outside the UK for one purpose and not for another.

Geoff

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[suavecarve]

Interesting, because information has been posted on another threadthat travellers and pets are deemed to be in UK once they have passed UK/Pet immigration in France.

It cannot be that you are still outside the UK for one purpose and not for another.

Geoff

Think there is some confusion here.

If you are travelling on a ferry come what may, you will have to quarantine whether you have a dog or not.

If you are travelling on the tunnel from a safe country and transit a naughty country then you don't. BUT if you have a dog there is a complication. Eurotunnel have said you don't need to Q14 because the dog is in the country!. HMG haven't said anything to my knowledge. Bottom line is Eurotunnel should not be considered the decision maker on this, unless they have been told so by HMG. I don't know the answer to it and as a non dog owner, I m not overly fussed. I think that is the point that gus-lopez is making

 

[Sue]

How is medical and travel insurance cover affected regarding visits to France now?
Anyone have any experience ?

 

[corconx]

How is medical and travel insurance cover affected regarding visits to France now?
Anyone have any experience ?

In France or country’s where FO say only essential travel Insurance is invalid - this from Comfort by email. But medical I’m uncertain EHIC still ok but medical insurance is a minefield

Carol

 

[SMB]

No one said “idiot”.What other names.?

Of course everyone wants to live life to the full,but our government has advised NOT travellling to certain countries.Why defy that? I’m not going to,but I’m not cowering and hiding.Im doing my best to keep my risks down.For myself,my loved ones and my patients.

Our government hasn't exactly covered itself in glory from the off. Now they're trying to give the impression they're acting ruthlessly to save the UK by imposing quarantines almost immediately, I'm sorry but 30 hours notice is just ridiculous, look at the chaos it caused. They're looking to blame anyone but themselves, personally whatever advice they give I tend to think the opposite.

 

[dnhunter]

Has anybody actually phoned their MH insurance company to see if they are still insured if travelling in a country against FCO advice?

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[Paul Wilkins]

Supposed to be going on the 14th Sep... fingers crossed things get lifted by then. Quarantine on return isn't a problem. Traveling with nullified insurance because of FCO advice is a problem.

 

[DangerMousy]

In France or country’s where FO say only essential travel Insurance is invalid - this from Comfort by email. But medical I’m uncertain EHIC still ok but medical insurance is a minefield

Carol

I wasn't aware that Comfort did travel or medical insurance - I thought they only did vehicle insurance?

 

[DangerMousy]

Supposed to be going on the 14th Sep... fingers crossed things get lifted by then. Quarantine on return isn't a problem. Traveling with nullified insurance because of FCO advice is a problem.

Discussions on another forum are that if you're insured by Nationwide they'll accept your word for the fact that you consider your journey "essential" and therefore you're covered. I'm not convinced though, so we've take out supplementary travel & medical insurance from Battleface.

 

[Mickey1]

Has anybody actually phoned their MH insurance company to see if they are still insured if travelling in a country against FCO advice?

I’ll call nationwide later, not expecting medical but hoping vehicle insurance is ok.

 

[LesW]

but 30 hours notice

There were warnings at least two weeks before the quarantine became official.

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