Right or Wrong

[Daniel. M]

It's been well documented that Motorhomes do pump money into the local economies they visit, so is this council right or wrong

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[JJ]

Well I have just pumped well over €3600 into the coffers of a motorhome repair and parts company at Armacão de Pera...

Not sure if this is helpful to the locals or not...

JJ

 

[Speve]

Well I have just pumped well over €3600 into the coffers of a motorhome repair and parts company at Armacão de Pera...

Not sure if this is helpful to the locals or not...

JJ

Helps keep people employed in the business? Where there might be locals employed

 

[GJH]

I have just noticed that the proposed TRO allowing overnight camping on Cowbar Lane, Redcar & Cleveland came into being yesterday. The order followed extensive public consultation. The order is the Off Street Parking Places Consolidation Amendment Order No 1 2022.
In terms of this discussion it is interesting because it is an area of the borough which has been a problem and cost for a while but where there are no nearby businesses in the borough close enough to derive benefit from motorhome camping (any that do being on the other side of Staithes Beck, in the neighbouring Scarborough Borough Council area).

 

[Sapper520]

The case in point, on your doorstep, Burnham on Sea. If we are in Cornwall, Devon or Somerset, we always stop off at Burnham on Sea and use the dedicated motorhome parking, where we have breakfast or lunch then spend an hour or two going around the shops, where my wife always finds something 'nice'
If only there were more towns providing dedicated motorhome parking, using the van in the UK would be much more pleasurable

Weston used to have dedicated MH parking on the Melrose Carpark, on the seafront.

However, after many years of invasions half a dozen times a summer, height barriers were installed……for the benefit of the majority of visitors. They’ve also had to install bollards, the whole length of Beach Lawns (and that must of cost a fortune) to prevent invasions.

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[TinaLes]

Surely it cannot be argued that if any council provides any form of dedicated facility, at a reasonable cost to cover maintenance, then....."They Will Come"
I guess the biggest problem is that so will the Travellers, until the law is changed to prevent this.
LES

 

[GJH]

Surely it cannot be argued that if any council provides any form of dedicated facility, at a reasonable cost to cover maintenance, then....."They Will Come"
I guess the biggest problem is that so will the Travellers, until the law is changed to prevent this.
LES

Potential problems with Travellers were raised way back in 2007 when we were negotiating with Redcar & Cleveland for provision at Guisborough. I made the point then that the car/coach park concerned had never had any problems previously and had been there for many years.
During the 18 month experimental period which followed there were no instances of Travellers trying to stay there. Trouble was no more than about half a dozen people stayed legitimately anyway

 

[funflair]

Has it? It has often been claimed but with no proof.
Exploring the subject a few years ago was, at best, inconclusive.

Surely when you go away in your van you spend money locally, I know we certainly do.

 

[Northernraider]

Has it? It has often been claimed but with no proof.
Exploring the subject a few years ago was, at best, inconclusive.

I've spent £5k on the road since mid September and I've not stayed in a single site or official aire . That money has went in to several local economies.

Even if it was petrol station and supermarkets . Employing local people



So I'm afraid it has been proved without a doubt that every motorhome/camper contributes to local economies.

They don't have to be eating out etc to do so and they also should not have to.

 

[Northernraider]

I'm pleased if that is the case Jim and you are right that we never went away for the weekend without sending money. The claims that I have seen over the years, though, have never actually been backed by figures.
Is there any organisation which publishes the net economic effect of motorhome tourism on destination towns?

You've also admitted previously you've never travelled abroad with your motorhome. As I've said before then you really are not qualified to give an unbiased view .

Your view always comes across as ex council employee to me . It's a very closed view.

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[Sapper520]

Surely when you go away in your van you spend money locally, I know we certainly do.

Yes, so do we. But in case you missed my link, take a look at the accommodation chart……Motorhomes and Camper van numbers don’t even make 1%.

Why would my local council spend money on the few?

 

[Speve]

Yes, so do we. But in case you missed my link, take a look at the accommodation chart……Motorhomes and Camper van numbers don’t even make 1%.

Why would my local council spend money on the few?

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Surely Motorhomes would come in the same category as touring caravans and tents 5%

 

[RobertJary]

Why would my local council spend money on the few?

But your and my local council close our local tip to save £300k (making residents drive 10 miles to the nearest tip) and then p*ss their money away on the new 'bendy lines' on Clevedon seafront.

 

[Wee Bold Davy]

Surely Motorhomes would come in the same category as touring caravans and tents 5%

It seems to work very well in France. It must be worth doing

 

[Sapper520]

Surely Motorhomes would come in the same category as touring caravans and tents 5%

Okay, but as Motorhomes or Campervans are not mentioned specifically, I read that as they come in the 1% Other.

Even if you did include them in the 5%, that’s still sharing them with Touring Caravans and Tents. Still not an attractive number to spend money on.

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[Sapper520]

But your and my local council close our local tip to save £300k (making residents drive 10 miles to the nearest tip) and then p*ss their money away on the new 'bendy lines' on Clevedon seafront.

Haven’t seen it in the flesh yet, but what was wrong with the old set up?

 

[Wee Bold Davy]

But your and my local council close our local tip to save £300k (making residents drive 10 miles to the nearest tip) and then p*ss their money away on the new 'bendy lines' on Clevedon seafront.

Isn't it a bit dangerous having the drink drive lane next to the cycle lane

 

[funflair]

Yes, so do we. But in case you missed my link, take a look at the accommodation chart……Motorhomes and Camper van numbers don’t even make 1%.

Why would my local council spend money on the few?

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Doesn't that just say that n-somerset is not motorhome friendly and they need to look at doing something about it and increasing the numbers, I should have added to my post above that "we spend money when we are allowed" by that I mean if the camping is that far out of town that we can't walk in we take everything with us and no we won't spend much money, that's more the fault of the short sighted local council than it is my short arms and deep pockets.

We recently went to Ambleside and stopped on the aire that is a short walk into town, we bought Christmas presents, we spent £20 in the pub every night, we ate in the pub once, we went out on the bus and had lunch out, we walked and had lunch out, we also recently went to Whitby club site which is about 7 miles out of Whitby actually so we took everything with us and didn't spend anything locally.

Maybe instead of seeing motorhomes as a problem local councils should see them as an opportunity.

 

[RobertJary]

Haven’t seen it in the flesh yet, but what was wrong with the old set up?

Someone in Clevedon must really have upset NSC - never mind what the local residents think - so much for democracy.

 

[RobertJary]

Back on topic - this is taken from the North Somerset Council web site:

Car park restrictions

Car park restrictions in North Somerset apply unless you have permission from us or unless the restrictions are displayed differently in the car park.

www.n-somerset.gov.uk

Campers and motorhomes​

No campers or motorhomes except:

• Salthouse Fields – designated bays only
• Weston-super-Mare beach.

What is doesn't tell you is that Salthouse Fields is in Clevedon - really handy if you really want to visit Weston-super-Mare.

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[Sapper520]

Doesn't that just say that n-somerset is not motorhome friendly and they need to look at doing something about it and increasing the numbers, I should have added to my post above that "we spend money when we are allowed" by that I mean if the camping is that far out of town that we can't walk in we take everything with us and no we won't spend much money, that's more the fault of the short sighted local council than it is my short arms and deep pockets.

We recently went to Ambleside and stopped on the aire that is a short walk into town, we bought Christmas presents, we spent £20 in the pub every night, we ate in the pub once, we went out on the bus and had lunch out, we walked and had lunch out, we also recently went to Whitby club site which is about 7 miles out of Whitby actually so we took everything with us and didn't spend anything locally.

Maybe instead of seeing motorhomes as a problem local councils should see them as an opportunity.

In an ideal world, yep agree. But since the nearest campsites were sold for housing, there are few places available and no appetite for anyone to buy land and turn it into a camp site…….housing makes more.

North Somerset have just pulled the plug on an £135,000 donation towards the Weston Air Days weekend. That brings in massive crowds…….now the whole event looks to be cancelled…..no more Red Arrows etc.

They just haven’t got the money……although as been previously mentioned, they have funded some dodgy projects.

 

[Sapper520]

Back on topic - this is taken from the North Somerset Council web site:

Car park restrictions

Car park restrictions in North Somerset apply unless you have permission from us or unless the restrictions are displayed differently in the car park.

www.n-somerset.gov.uk

Campers and motorhomes​

No campers or motorhomes except:

• Salthouse Fields – designated bays only
• Weston-super-Mare beach.

What is doesn't tell you is that Salthouse Fields is in Clevedon - really handy if you really want to visit Weston-super-Mare.

Don’t forget, North Somerset moved out of Weston into Clevedon……looks like they’re moving again?

As long as it’s not high tide you can park on the beach.

 

[GJH]

Surely when you go away in your van you spend money locally, I know we certainly do.

Yes we did. As I said above though (post #24)

Nobody is claiming that motorhomers don't spend some money.
The original statement that I commented on, though, was "that Motorhomes do pump money into the local economies they visit".
The question is do motorhomers spend sufficient money to justify councils encouraging them?
Posts #7, #13 and #23 on this thread suggest that the question is not cut and dried - supporting the stance that having the answers ready in advance is wise.

 

[Daniel. M]

Sorry updated link

'Burden' of campervan waste should not be on locals, council says

North Norfolk taxpayers should not bear the "burden" of providing facilities for campervan waste, councillors have said.

www.northnorfolknews.co.uk

 

[Googlebot]

Inspired by this post I have just emailed a tourist attraction in a National Park we stopped at last year. Huge car park that was empty, gave permission for us to stay as a one off.

I reckon with Campra’s help, they would make a substantial amount of extra money for little outlay. There are few sites in the area and those that are there are overpriced and dated.

Fingers crossed.

So they replied and are going to look into it.

Hope it works out, we would use it regularly if so.

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[Otter Spotter]

North Norfolk taxpayers should not bear the "burden" of providing facilities for campervan waste, councillors have said.

At a meeting of North Norfolk District Council (NNDC) cabinet on Tuesday (September 6), council bosses said they should not have to meet the costs of installing disposal facilities across the district to tackle the problem of motorhome owners dumping toilet waste into public loos.

Tim Adams, council leader, said: "I feel the costs should be borne by the users of those facilities."

Tim Adams, leader of North Norfolk District Council. (Image: Supplied by the Liberal Democrats)
He said the council would take on board a recommendation of the council's overview and scrutiny committee, that all options for campervan waste disposal should be considered.

Nigel Lloyd, portfolio holder for environmental services, climate change and environment, said that dumping the waste in public loos was "a disgusting thing to do".

"People come to enjoy this area," he said.

North Norfolk District Council environment portfolio holder Nigel Lloyd. (Image: Copyright Nicholas Manthorpe)

Examples of motorhome owners emptying waste cassettes into public drains that run onto beaches were "unacceptable".

He said it was a difficult problem to resolve and that providing waste facilities was not the answer.

"People who buy these should make their own provision," he said.

Richard Kershaw, NNDC's portfolio holder for sustainable growth. (Image: Supplied)

Richard Kershaw, portfolio holder for sustainable growth, said the council received a "negative response" from campsites that had been contacted to see if they would provide a disposal service at their own cost.

Mr Kershaw said it would cost the council more than £10,000 for a station to treat the extra waste itself.

"I don't think it's fair that people driving expensive vehicles should burden local taxpayers of north Norfolk with this facility," he said.

Mr Kershaw said it was an expensive problem but there seemed to be "very little give from motorhome owners".

Lucy Shires, north Norfolk district and county councillor. (Image: Supplied)

Lucy Shires, portfolio holder for organisational resources, said that the village of Walcott has "suffered quite dreadfully from the poor behavior from a small number of motorhome users".

"Some tourists have been seen dumping their waste in a public drain despite residents pointing out that it runs on to the beach," she said.

She suggested the council, working with Anglian Water, could provide more education across the district about the issue.

That’s interesting, I have just returned from a few days and nights in Walcott where there is a new Motorhome site called Nelson’s Patch which offers basic services for £10 per night, so no excuses for Motorhomers to abuse the locals drains.

 

[funflair]

That’s interesting, I have just returned from a few days and nights in Walcott where there is a new Motorhome site called Nelson’s Patch which offers basic services for £10 per night, so no excuses for Motorhomers to abuse the locals drains.

That looks a "spot on" facility

 

[Otter Spotter]

That looks a "spot on" facility

Better still it’s next to the Lighthouse Inn that has great food and drink

 

[Otter Spotter]

Sorry updated link

'Burden' of campervan waste should not be on locals, council says

North Norfolk taxpayers should not bear the "burden" of providing facilities for campervan waste, councillors have said.

www.northnorfolknews.co.uk

Envy politics’ I don't think it's fair that people driving expensive vehicles should burden local taxpayers of north Norfolk with this facility," he said.

I agree that lazy MH owners tipping their cassettes in the grids are just plain wrong, no matter how much they spend in the locality, the Local authorities could provide a black waste point at low cost, but you will still get some people who live their lives against the grain and will still tip just for spite.

 

[UptheGas]

But your and my local council close our local tip to save £300k (making residents drive 10 miles to the nearest tip) and then p*ss their money away on the new 'bendy lines' on Clevedon seafront.

More fly-tipping coming to the country roads ! Are you on about Backwell tip closing ?

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[cookie]

Its a hole in the ground and a couple of taps, local councillors probably spend more on a night out