Retirement postponed to 75?

Paddywack said:
Since the Tories came to power the national debt has grown from £1 trillion to £1.8 trillion and all this preparation for B will according to the OBR increase the deficit to new highs. This myth that the Tories are the party of fiscal responsibility is just that - a myth perpetuated by the media all owned by offshore billionaires who know where their interests are best served.
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Yeah makes you wonder how deep a pile of s**t we would be in now if Brown and Blair was still in power.

As bad as the Great Depression, who knows.
 
sussexlad said:
A myth? You havent read any of Labours spending plans then?
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At the risk of going off topic please tell me which ones you don't agree with?

Financing the NHS properly and stopping further privatisation
Ensuring people don't need foodbanks
Ensuring the disabled can afford to eat and heat their houses - oh and travel
Ensuring that our infrastructure for water and power is invested in properly rather than paying out dividends to offshore companies
Renationalising trains at the end of their franchises to ensure profits are reinvested rather than paid out to other countries pension funds and subsidise the rail travelling costs for the French, Germans, Italians and Dutch.

Oh and ensuring that pension commitments from both the state and private enterprise are honoured.

Look at any other developed country, apart from the States, and these principles are accepted as perfectly normal - here to suggest such things makes you a raving commie!

Pat - a higher rate taxpayer and credit card socialist!
 
Silver-Fox said:
Yeah makes you wonder how deep a pile of s**t we would be in now if Brown and Blair was still in power.

As bad as the Great Depression, who knows.
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Who knows, another one of the great 'what ifs' as the people voted this lot in!......3 times!
 
Paddywack said:
At the risk of going off topic please tell me which ones you don't agree with?

Financing the NHS properly and stopping further privatisation
Ensuring people don't need foodbanks
Ensuring the disabled can afford to eat and heat their houses - oh and travel
Ensuring that our infrastructure for water and power is invested in properly rather than paying out dividends to offshore companies
Renationalising trains at the end of their franchises to ensure profits are reinvested rather than paid out to other countries pension funds and subsidise the rail travelling costs for the French, Germans, Italians and Dutch.

Oh and ensuring that pension commitments from both the state and private enterprise are honoured.

Look at any other developed country, apart from the States, and these principles are accepted as perfectly normal - here to suggest such things makes you a raving commie!

Pat - a higher rate taxpayer and credit card socialist!
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All of those things should be mandatory in a decent caring society. But two things put them at risk 1) when the person who could deliver them is a plonker like Corbyn, 2) when gullible working people think the Tories are fiscally responsible instead of just trying to make the rich, richer.

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They are a "think tank" buttons, not the Tory party or the Govt. Labour use them too.

I could supply some wacky ones from the Labour side if you want?

p.s. Look at your post the attachment contains "think tank"!
 
Silver-Fox said:
Yeah makes you wonder how deep a pile of s**t we would be in now if Brown and Blair was still in power.

As bad as the Great Depression, who knows.
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Well perhaps we wouldn't have had nine years of austerity for the masses whilst the richest increased their wealth by 166% and perhaps the bankers may have been held responsible like they were in other countries?

PS don't confuse "ToryLite" Blair and Brown with the current socialist Labour Party.
 
sussexlad said:
They are a "think tank" buttons, not the Tory party or the Govt. Labour use them too.

I could supply some wacky ones from the Labour side if you want?

p.s. Look at your post the attachment contains "think tank"!
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They are the Think Tank funded by Mercer and Co who also thought up Universal Credit.
 
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Paddywack said:
Well perhaps we wouldn't have had nine years of austerity for the masses whilst the richest increased their wealth by 166% and perhaps the bankers may have been held responsible like they were in other countries?

PS don't confuse "ToryLite" Blair and Brown with the current socialist Labour Party.
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Who knows , we could be bombing the #### out of another country who have weapons of mass destruction. Haha
 
sussexlad said:
They are a "think tank" buttons, not the Tory party or the Govt. Labour use them too.
I could supply some wacky ones from the Labour side if you want?
p.s. Look at your post the attachment contains "think tank"!
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My connection was Ian Duncan Smith, as chairman, his influence was likely to be that of his party. Was Boris aware of his participation do you think or something he never spoke about during his day job as cabinet minister. :) ?

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Tribbtravs said:
I do hope you are right on this but at the moment we seem to be going to hell in a handcart.
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Well, I suppose it`s warmer there than in the EU currently?

Silver-Fox said:
Yeah makes you wonder how deep a pile of s**t we would be in now if Brown and Blair was still in power.

As bad as the Great Depression, who knows.
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When all and sundry finished laughing at the alleged note Brown left on his desk in No 11, to the effect. "theres no money left". It was found to be actually true, This is the Guy who under B`Liar, "raided" with his tax changes, my pension and cost me an estimated £50 per month by the time I did retire.
 
Paddywack said:
At the risk of going off topic please tell me which ones you don't agree with?

Financing the NHS properly and stopping further privatisation
Ensuring people don't need foodbanks
Ensuring the disabled can afford to eat and heat their houses - oh and travel
Ensuring that our infrastructure for water and power is invested in properly rather than paying out dividends to offshore companies
Renationalising trains at the end of their franchises to ensure profits are reinvested rather than paid out to other countries pension funds and subsidise the rail travelling costs for the French, Germans, Italians and Dutch.

Oh and ensuring that pension commitments from both the state and private enterprise are honoured.

Look at any other developed country, apart from the States, and these principles are accepted as perfectly normal - here to suggest such things makes you a raving commie!

Pat - a higher rate taxpayer and credit card socialist!
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You need to calm down stop inventing things and keep to the facts, I of course did not say anything of the kind. I absolutely agree with all of it, but obviously we need to create the wealth to pay for it and thats where JC's brand of Venezuelan economics lacks credibility.
 
buttons said:
My connection was Ian Duncan Smith, as chairman, his influence was likely to be that of his party. Was Boris aware of his participation do you think or something he never spoke about during his day job as cabinet minister. :) ?
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I've finished with one now buttons because you keep ignoring the point.
 
Paddywack said:
At the risk of going off topic please tell me which ones you don't agree with?

Financing the NHS properly and stopping further privatisation
Ensuring people don't need foodbanks
Ensuring the disabled can afford to eat and heat their houses - oh and travel
Ensuring that our infrastructure for water and power is invested in properly rather than paying out dividends to offshore companies
Renationalising trains at the end of their franchises to ensure profits are reinvested rather than paid out to other countries pension funds and subsidise the rail travelling costs for the French, Germans, Italians and Dutch.

Oh and ensuring that pension commitments from both the state and private enterprise are honoured.

Look at any other developed country, apart from the States, and these principles are accepted as perfectly normal - here to suggest such things makes you a raving commie!

Pat - a higher rate taxpayer and credit card socialist!
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I actually have coted for all the parties in the past so feel I might! be fairly centre in my politics. To address some of your points

Where is the money for nationalisation coming from in the railways and utility companies? or is it just a grab? Do you know anyone who has worked in a utility over the period when they were privatised? I do he worked for a water company in the early years they drastically reduced the workforce with no effect on the operation. Can you point to a well run state enterprise which runs to budget? How big is the return on the utilities to shareholders if its so great why don't our pension funds buy in there was no requirement for the shares to be sold overseas?

Lastly what would make anyone think a person who suggests building nuclear subs (to protect jobs) but not putting any missiles on (because he's against nuclear weapons) has any sense when it comes to money.

I think both sides are fiscally daft . Labour seem to think profit of any sort is evil and we will all live by working as teachers and librarians/social workers/equality and diversity trainers etc etc the tories think we ought to not spend except when its needed to give political parties a bung to keep in power or to prop up planning for an uncertain future only promoted because they are afraid of losing support to more right wing/isolationist parties

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Not saying it was perfect when things was state owned, although workers were cut they now use an awful lot of subcontractors instead. Will we ever get an honest comparison, I very much doubt it.
 
MANGOFORTH said:
Socialism is great utill you run out of other people's money. It also hands more power to "the Man" . Which is great until "the Man" turns out to be just as corrupt as the one that came before it. Great idea
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Wish I had a pound for every time that i have heard that claptrap!

Second part is a valid point for all systems.
 
buttons said:
My connection was Ian Duncan Smith, as chairman, his influence was likely to be that of his party. Was Boris aware of his participation do you think or something he never spoke about during his day job as cabinet minister. :) ?
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As you know. Chairman is independent ?
 
MANGOFORTH said:
Socialism doesn't work
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To slightly change that, I'd suggest Socialism would work just fine if it wasn't for one unchangeable fact..........................................Human Nature !! In that there are some people who WANT as in REALLY NEED to be in charge and have everyone doing as they say. Such as Joe Stalin and Chairman Mao. Many others I could name.

Think it was said somewhere that the best ruler for any society would be a BENIGN Dictator. Finding a Dictator is the easy bit, finding a one who is benign is, so far, impossible !
 
Silver-Fox said:
Out of interest have you ever tried plastering for 8 hours a day

Laid chipboard floors for 8 hours a day.

That’s just two jobs that are physically demanding
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I didn't say no heavy manual work,,i said very little...Did manual work for the first 30 years of my working life before i was immobilised with RA,,Nearly beat that now,,BUSBY:D:D
 
I work in a secondary school and the idea of a 74 year old P.E teacher is hilarious. Now I know many seventy year old who run marathons but kids in a school would just take the mickey. The sickness rate in many jobs due to stress and poor health would increase massively too so who would be the winners ?
 

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