Retirement postponed to 75?

Silver-Fox said:
I’m trying to figure out why it’s worse for women.
When you consider how many men have physically demanding jobs.

Just a thought ?
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Not many physically demanding jobs about today,,think its illegal to even lift anything over 33 kg,and cant remember the last time i saw a construction worker with a shovel..BUSBY:D
 
The whole pension thing is a disgrace, it is only by luck that I have any pension at all (private pension) Years ago I was sold a pension mortgage at the same time I took out a pension policy and also contracted out of SERPS. After a few years I worked out that the pension mortgage would not be paid off by retirement, so I changed it to repayment and stopped paying into the pension mortgage. Then a little later when I worked out the annuity rates I stopped paying into the retirement pension as well. Again when I reached a certain age (can't remember how old) the advice was to contract back in to SERPS. Fast forward a few more years and we now have cash drawdown pensions available. I paid in as much as I could in the last 2 years of working and with all the pension pots we just about have enough, although we will have to take equity release from the bungalow if we live too long. If "they" (our useless politicians ) had sorted a clear way for pensions instead chopping and changing I would have done more to finance our retirement and would not have had to depend on the state pension so much.
 
buttons said:
Benefits nonexistent Pension to be nonexistent, What does that leave but Food Banks folks..☢
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Millionaire Iain Duncan Smith, architect of the hated Universal Credit which is largely blamed for driving more people to foodbanks smiling broadly at a donation spot that stands in grim testament to the misery his party has caused fellow millions of Britons.

This miserable government has screwed the workers now they are going to screw the retired.
 
Im 28. I've already established that no government is going to look out for the people. Best off being independent. Screw the rat race. Mortgage? £900 a month for the next 30 years, only for you to take it away from my children and push my pension further away. No thanks. This country has forced me to be a motorised nomad. And I couldn't be happier ?
 
Yorick said:
Yes, it's a complete non story. No truth. At all.

These sort of threads are just scaremongering. :(
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Scaremongering?

The state pension age is currently rising, with this set to reach 66 for men and women by October 2020. Further changes mean it will then increase to 67 between 2026 and 2028. Under current law, the state pension age was due to increase to 68 between 2044 and 2046. Following a review, in 2017, the government announced plans to bring this forward, to between 2037 and 2039.

A new report by the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ), fronted by former Conservative party leader Iain Duncan-Smith, has proposed accelerating the plans.

According to the report, the suggestion comes in a bid to boost the UK economy.

It proposes a major overhaul of the state pension age, raising it to 70-years-old within 10 years, by 2028.

The think-tank has also suggested raising the age again to 75-years-old by 2035.

The CSJ said the plans are required in order to “reduce involuntary worklessness” and would help the older generation “access the benefits of work”.
 
Allanm said:
Scaremongering?

The state pension age is currently rising, with this set to reach 66 for men and women by October 2020. Further changes mean it will then increase to 67 between 2026 and 2028. Under current law, the state pension age was due to increase to 68 between 2044 and 2046. Following a review, in 2017, the government announced plans to bring this forward, to between 2037 and 2039.

A new report by the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ), fronted by former Conservative party leader Iain Duncan-Smith, has proposed accelerating the plans.

According to the report, the suggestion comes in a bid to boost the UK economy.

It proposes a major overhaul of the state pension age, raising it to 70-years-old within 10 years, by 2028.

The think-tank has also suggested raising the age again to 75-years-old by 2035.

The CSJ said the plans are required in order to “reduce involuntary worklessness” and would help the older generation “access the benefits of work”.
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Reports and suggestions are just that. Nothing concrete.

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Makingtrax said:
This is a discussion about the pension age. What’s Corbyn’s pension got to do with it, as opposed to Vince Cable or Ken Clarke?
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Do tell us about Vince Cable and Ken Clarke's respective pensions. I would love to know more. JC's tax calculation just happens to be in the public domain.

Raising the state pension age to 75 and forcing oldies to work until they are totally knackered* (the apt word in this context) brought to mind Orwell's Animal Farm, the loyal workhorse called Boxer, and his sad fate*.

We know who Orwell's "pigs" are today - Westminster has 650 in the lower chamber and over 900 in the upper one. Orwell's "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" was echoed by the outrageous claim that "We are all in this together". I think it might have been Cameron that said it to justify the so-called austerity spending cuts and wage freeze after the 2009 financial crisis. The latest proposal to raise the pension age yet again is another classic example of the "them and us" mindset, when you compare the chasm between what us proles can expect, and what the political class gets by way of generous pension rights paid by the taxpayers. I was using JC's actual pensions in payment as an example of such inequality.

I hope you and I will find some common ground in this discussion.
 
buttons said:
I was talking to someone over the weekend who is very concerned, she is in her late fifties, just a few years ago she would have been planning her retirement with expectations of ending full time work after nearly 50 years in a caring profession. Now she doesn't even have a reliable retirement date to plan around. It is ok for some IDS.....
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Supercilious Tw88!. Nice looking Car though.
 
Allanm said:
Scaremongering?

The state pension age is currently rising, with this set to reach 66 for men and women by October 2020. Further changes mean it will then increase to 67 between 2026 and 2028. Under current law, the state pension age was due to increase to 68 between 2044 and 2046. Following a review, in 2017, the government announced plans to bring this forward, to between 2037 and 2039.

A new report by the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ), fronted by former Conservative party leader Iain Duncan-Smith, has proposed accelerating the plans.

According to the report, the suggestion comes in a bid to boost the UK economy.

It proposes a major overhaul of the state pension age, raising it to 70-years-old within 10 years, by 2028.

The think-tank has also suggested raising the age again to 75-years-old by 2035.

The CSJ said the plans are required in order to “reduce involuntary worklessness” and would help the older generation “access the benefits of work”.
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Would like to meet the members,(arseholes) who make up this think tank.Bet not one of them has done an honest days work in their miserable lives.BUSBY.
 
Allanm said:
This miserable government has screwed the workers now they are going to screw the retired.
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Geuss that would be the first screw they've had in a while ?.... Sorry couldn't help myself ?

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busby said:
Would like to meet the members,(arseholes) who make up this think tank.Bet not one of them has done an honest days work in their miserable lives.BUSBY.
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I can hardly believe that IDS is head of this think tank. MPs are fond of saying that being a member of Parliament isn't a job. They can choose how they spend their time and still collect the salary and perks. Workers have no choice if they want to eat hot meals and live indoors.
 
Hymer 1961 said:
Have you been to Venezuela?
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Yes. Miserable country with deep poverty and drug fuelled violence. Not bad for a Country which has SQUANDERED one of the biggest oil finds of the last 100 years?. But lots of delightful people (sadly).

We used to trade up the "mosquito lake" back in the late 70`s. from Miami.
 
PeteH said:
Yes. Miserable country with deep poverty and drug fuelled violence. Not bad for a Country which has SQUANDERED one of the biggest oil finds of the last 100 years?. But lots of delightful people (sadly).

We used to trade up the "mosquito lake" back in the late 70`s. from Miami.
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I rest my case.
 
Allanm said:
The CSJ said the plans are required in order to “reduce involuntary worklessness” and would help the older generation “access the benefits of work”.
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Not a million miles from "work sets you free" (Arbeit macht free), you'd think someone would have thought a bit harder before using those words.
 
PeteH said:
Yes. Miserable country with deep poverty and drug fuelled violence. Not bad for a Country which has SQUANDERED one of the biggest oil finds of the last 100 years?. But lots of delightful people (sadly).

We used to trade up the "mosquito lake" back in the late 70`s. from Miami.
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There is a lot wrong with Venezuela, but its biggest problem is having the largest remaining oil reserves in the world and being so close to the good old US of A. Indeed American intervention in South America as a whole is pretty disgusting and has caused a lot of damage to the region.

"In the 1950s, 60s and 70s, social movements in Latin America began to challenge stratified class systems that were often hangovers from colonial rule. Leftwing movements and populist parties gained support, and sometimes power, in countries including Brazil, Argentina, Nicaragua and Bolivia. In Chile, Salvador Allende became the world’s first democratically elected Marxist president in 1970.

In the context of the Cold War, the U.S. viewed those developments down south as a threat to the global balance of power: American security forces did not want more of its neighbors to become allies of the U.S.S.R. They also wanted to protect American businesses and assets in the region, fearing that any new leftwing governments would follow the example of Cuba after its revolution and throw foreign powers out of the country.

To help stop any of that from happening, the U.S. used a range of interventionist methods. In the 1960s, State Department officials and CIA agents were intimately involved in training and assisting Guatemalan security forces, who killed thousands of civilians during a civil war with leftist rebels against the right-wing government. In the 1970s in Chile, the CIA attempted to thwart Allende’s ascent and later to the General Augusto Pinochet, the right-wing military dictator who overthrew him. Pinochet’s regime murdered 3,065 of its citizens and committed human rights abuses against almost 40,000. In the 1980s in Nicaragua, the U.S. backed the right-wing Contra rebels to take on the socialist Sandinista government, leading to a decade of violent struggle.

In Venezuela itself, the U.S. gave its tacit approval of a coup attempt against Maduro’s predecessor Hugo Chavez in 2002. Declassified CIA intelligence briefings show that the George W. Bush Administration had prior knowledge of the opposition’s plans and did not share their information with Chavez. He was deposed for less than 48 hours until overwhelming popular support and loyalists in the military helped return him to power. "

Currently the USA's favourite weapon of choice is trade embargoes - starve the population into over throwing the current leader - Iraq, Venezuela and United Kingdom if Corbyn gets in!

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Allanm said:
Scaremongering?

The state pension age is currently rising, with this set to reach 66 for men and women by October 2020. Further changes mean it will then increase to 67 between 2026 and 2028. Under current law, the state pension age was due to increase to 68 between 2044 and 2046. Following a review, in 2017, the government announced plans to bring this forward, to between 2037 and 2039.

A new report by the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ), fronted by former Conservative party leader Iain Duncan-Smith, has proposed accelerating the plans.

According to the report, the suggestion comes in a bid to boost the UK economy.

It proposes a major overhaul of the state pension age, raising it to 70-years-old within 10 years, by 2028.

The think-tank has also suggested raising the age again to 75-years-old by 2035.

The CSJ said the plans are required in order to “reduce involuntary worklessness” and would help the older generation “access the benefits of work”.
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I bloody hope not, my 67 is too long to wait, never mind 70.

Stupid ideas some people have who sit on their fat arses at a desk all their lives and think everyone can work forever

They ought to try vulcanising or a labouring job for a few years as I have done, they would be putting it down to 60 if they did.
 
Yorick said:
Yes, it's a complete non story. No truth. At all.

These sort of threads are just scaremongering. :(
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From IDS on Twitter

"Removing barriers for older people to working longer has the potential to improve health and wellbeing, increase retirement savings & ensure the full functioning of public services for all. CSJ report argues for more support for older workers: better healthcare support....1/2

increased access to flexible working, better opportunities for training, employer-led Mid-Life MOT & implementation of an ‘Age Confident’ scheme. PROVIDED that this support is in place, the report proposes an increase in the State Pension Age to 75 by 2035. #ageingconfidently "

https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/library/ageing-confidently-supporting-an-ageing-workforce

This is the same crowd that dreamt up Universal Credit that IDS then introduced.
 
I think all this can be explained very simply while we were all paying our taxes and NI contributions and having the decency that most of us would die before claiming an amount that would exceed what was put in every thing was fine now we have the audacity to live longer and claim our rights (something no government expected) claiming more than was put in (ps don't forget the millions Maggies government borrowed from the civil service pensions when they had a surplus which was supposed to be paid back)and not enough youngsters paying to cover short fall says it all
 
CazPaul said:
I bloody hope not, my 67 is too long to wait, never mind 70.

Stupid ideas some people have who sit on their fat arses at a desk all their lives and think everyone can work forever

They ought to try vulcanising or a labouring job for a few years as I have done, they would be putting it down to 60 if they did.
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The EU has been pushing for people who worked in manual jobs and hazardous jobs to be able to retire earlier than people who work in office jobs etc, (on their fat arses as you put it) France has taken it on board but the U.K. had never been interested.

https://ec.europa.eu/social/BlobServlet?docId=16329&langId=en
 
Makingtrax said:
The EU has been pushing for people who worked in manual jobs and hazardous jobs to be able to retire earlier than people who work in office jobs etc, (on their fat arses as you put it) France has taken it on board but the U.K. had never been interested.

https://ec.europa.eu/social/BlobServlet?docId=16329&langId=en
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I don't want to turn this into a Brexit thread, I just want to retire at 65 same as my father who also did a lot of manual work.
The U.K. needs to take it on board then and see sense.
It just doesnt sit right, my brother retired from the MOD at 50 on ill health over 10 years ago, on a bloody fortune.

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romany said:
I think all this can be explained very simply while we were all paying our taxes and NI contributions and having the decency that most of us would die before claiming an amount that would exceed what was put in every thing was fine now we have the audacity to live longer and claim our rights (something no government expected) claiming more than was put in (ps don't forget the millions Maggies government borrowed from the civil service pensions when they had a surplus which was supposed to be paid back)and not enough youngsters paying to cover short fall says it all
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Well, it`s racing certainty, that the "imported" cheap labour of recent times won`t be around to support anything. This country stopped training back in the 80`s, when the controls on immigration where really slacked off, and it became cheap to employ "foreign" labour as oposed to properly training our own youngsters. One (close to home) result of this is my eldest grandson now resides in Australia and is doing very well thank you, and will shortly become a Master Tradesman. His boss here in the UK, had to let him go because he could NOT compete with the migrant tradesmen on price and train the lad properly.
 
It seems that if you just have a job and want to retire early you have to be employed in the public sector - not many, if any, in the private sector get the chance -

Bankers being the exception.....:whistle2:
 
PeteH said:
Well, it`s racing certainty, that the "imported" cheap labour of recent times won`t be around to support anything. This country stopped training back in the 80`s, when the controls on immigration where really slacked off, and it became cheap to employ "foreign" labour as oposed to properly training our own youngsters. One (close to home) result of this is my eldest grandson now resides in Australia and is doing very well thank you, and will shortly become a Master Tradesman. His boss here in the UK, had to let him go because he could NOT compete with the migrant tradesmen on price and train the lad properly.
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But isn't amazing that Germany with that open door policy still managed to have really good apprenticeships? This country stopped training in the 80's because of the decline in manufacturing and a relaxation in the requirements placed by central governments (of all colours) for companies to invest in its workforce. They're trying to reinvent it now with the apprenticeship levy but the content of most courses is still poor. But immigration was not the issue.
 
Paddywack said:
But isn't amazing that Germany with that open door policy still managed to have really good apprenticeships? This country stopped training in the 80's because of the decline in manufacturing and a relaxation in the requirements placed by central governments (of all colours) for companies to invest in its workforce. They're trying to reinvent it now with the apprenticeship levy but the content of most courses is still poor. But immigration was not the issue.
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Yes it was, certainly in my Grandsons case.
 
I am hoping that the two judges ,1 man 1 woman will reach their decision on facts and points of law, whether the government can afford it should not be a consideration, I wrote a letter to complain that they had not notified me at all, they apologised and said they had advertised in women’s magazines and newspapers and indeed not notified me by letter, I am sure we will win this case, or am I delusional believing in our justice system, we will find out soon hopefully

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