Residency

Minxy said:
Are you thinking of maz?
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Yes, Thank you
maz said:
We gained Slovenian residency a year and a bit ago. Annual income requirement was just under 5,000€. We bought two houses in 1.5 acres of land for 185,000€. The exchange rate then was 1.20€ to the pound so we paid around £155,000.
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Thank you. I thought it was less for some reason. But a lot less than other countries
 
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HKF said:
Are you talking about residence since Brexit? Because we moved to France before Brexit and have retained our freedom of movement throughout the EU, as part of the WARP agreement (Withdrawal Agreement Residence Permit).
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My Residency in Poland was specifically granted under the Withdrawal Agreement and the Polish paperwork specifically says I am granted travel in EU subject to 90/180. That is the understanding of several members on here about their status.

I think you should double-check.
 
nicholsong said:
My Residency in Poland was specifically granted under the Withdrawal Agreement and the Polish paperwork specifically says I am granted travel in EU subject to 90/180. That is the understanding of several members on here about their status.

I think you should double-check.
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Just wasn't the right time for us.

I think at the time of the withdrawal. There was a restriction of absence in Spanish residency, since removed. Not sure if I am 100 % correct with that.

But now, the restriction of being absent of a maximum of just 10 months out of the country, Spain, in 5 years, does not work for us.

So, for us, as home owners in Spain, it is very difficult. We want to become residents, but its not workable on an NLV.
 
just researching online I found this.

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EuroTrotters said:
Just wasn't the right time for us.

I think at the time of the withdrawal. There was a restriction of absence in Spanish residency, since removed. Not sure if I am 100 % correct with that.

But now, the restriction of being absent of a maximum of just 10 months out of the country, Spain, in 5 years, does not work for us.

So, for us, as home owners in Spain, it is very difficult. We want to become residents, but its not workable on an NLV.
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You can have a NLV for Spain and, if the 10 months in Spain isn't suitable, you can have longer out. All it means is that after 5 years you can't get a permanent TIE. Youll have to keep renewing, showing you have the funds necessary to do so. Once you accrue 5 years of the correct time, you should get your permanent residency.

You really need to do some proper research if you want to be a Spanish resident, and maybe even have a consultation with an immigration lawyer that's up on the rules.

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jumartoo said:
You can have a NLV for Spain and, if the 10 months in Spain isn't suitable, you can have longer out. All it means is that after 5 years you can't get a permanent TIE. Youll have to keep renewing, showing you have the funds necessary to do so. Once you accrue 5 years of the correct time, you should get your permanent residency.

You really need to do some proper research if you want to be a Spanish resident, and maybe even have a consultation with an immigration lawyer that's up on the rules.
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Thanks Judith. I have been advised of the same before.

Seriously considering selling up in Spain and buying elsewhere.

Its madness that there are millions of people living illegally in Spain. Some working and not paying Taxes. Many of them criminals.

They can be anyone, from the Dutch Lady I spoke with last year. She has lived and worked in Spain (CASH) for 4 years and never applied for residency or TAX domicile. To the Eastern European Criminals who have been in Spain and other countries for many years.

Yet, there have been no moves to assist non EU Citizens with property with Simplified VISAS.

We shall see what transpires over the next couple of years. If nothing changes, we may have to change.
 
EuroTrotters said:
Just wasn't the right time for us.

I think at the time of the withdrawal. There was a restriction of absence in Spanish residency, since removed. Not sure if I am 100 % correct with that.

But now, the restriction of being absent of a maximum of just 10 months out of the country, Spain, in 5 years, does not work for us.

So, for us, as home owners in Spain, it is very difficult. We want to become residents, but its not workable on an NLV.
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I am much luckier in Poland, as I can be outside Poland for 5 years without losing my Residency.
 
nicholsong said:
My Residency in Poland was specifically granted under the Withdrawal Agreement and the Polish paperwork specifically says I am granted travel in EU subject to 90/180. That is the understanding of several members on here about their status.

I think you should double-check.
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Ours says we can be out no more than 6 months in each year in the first 5 years. No mention of the 90/180 rule.
 
nicholsong said:
I am much luckier in Poland, as I can be outside Poland for 5 years without losing my Residency.
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So can any of us under the WA,It is the new residents that are not allowed to be out for more than 10 months in first 5 years if they want a permanent residency.

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EuroTrotters said:
Thanks Judith. I have been advised of the same before.

Seriously considering selling up in Spain and buying elsewhere.

Its madness that there are millions of people living illegally in Spain. Some working and not paying Taxes. Many of them criminals.

They can be anyone, from the Dutch Lady I spoke with last year. She has lived and worked in Spain (CASH) for 4 years and never applied for residency or TAX domicile. To the Eastern European Criminals who have been in Spain and other countries for many years.

Yet, there have been no moves to assist non EU Citizens with property with Simplified VISAS.

We shall see what transpires over the next couple of years. If nothing changes, we may have to change.
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And these numbers included (and still do in some cases) Brits "living under the radar".
 
nicholsong said:
How 'included'? or how living 'under the radar'?

If people are 'under the radar' how are their numbers known?
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I just need someone to drop me off, near the costas with a tender

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Plenty of people living under the radar in France, too. Like, people who have been here for well over a year with UK registered vehicles on their drive. Or people who tell you their whole story from when they moved here 3, 5, 10 etc. years ago and how they're rushed off their feet with work, then hand you an invoice for a job that's numbered 0005. Oh, and people who constantly change their bank details or those who say "These are my wife's details because I lost my bank card and had to close my account". I'm sure there are more examples.
 
HKF said:
Plenty of people living under the radar in France, too. Like, people who have been here for well over a year with UK registered vehicles on their drive. Or people who tell you their whole story from when they moved here 3, 5, 10 etc. years ago and how they're rushed off their feet with work, then hand you an invoice for a job that's numbered 0005. Oh, and people who constantly change their bank details or those who say "These are my wife's details because I lost my bank card and had to close my account". I'm sure there are more examples.
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UK Citizens were quite entitled to live in France while UK was part of EU. The only rule they broke was not registering their presence after 180 days but I am sure many EU Citizens have failed to do that in other EU countries. So only their time there since Brexit is questionable.

As EU Citizens UK Citizens did not before Brexit, and all other EU Citizens do not need to have Residency.

Vehicles not being re-registered is another matter, but proving they had been in the country continuously for more than 6 months might be difficult. - they could have gone to UK, Belgium or Germany.
 
nicholsong said:
UK Citizens were quite entitled to live in France while UK was part of EU. The only rule they broke was not registering their presence after 180 days but I am sure many EU Citizens have failed to do that in other EU countries. So only their time there since Brexit is questionable.

As EU Citizens UK Citizens did not before Brexit, and all other EU Citizens do not need to have Residency.

Vehicles not being re-registered is another matter, but proving they had been in the country continuously for more than 6 months might be difficult. - they could have gone to UK, Belgium or Germany.
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There is a Russian Registered BWM driving around Javea for 2 years !


I wonder !

 
EuroTrotters said:
Thank you.

I am not sure what the residency requirements are for France. But I will take a look. I would be happy to buy and live in France
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We moved here before Brexit, when the requirements and benefits were different as they came under the WARP agreement.

I have to say, it's the best move we could've made. We knew we wanted to leave before Brexit, to retain all the rights, and looked at France, Spain, Italy, Greece and Malta. In the end we settled on France for lots of reasons and we're really happy with our decision. We also broke our own rule and bought the first house we saw! It just felt right, even on a miserable October day. We still love it!! :)

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EuroTrotters said:
Thank you.

I am not sure what the residency requirements are for France. But I will take a look. I would be happy to buy and live in France
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I wouldn't bother.Friends of ours with full spanish residency for 20 years sold here last september. had a house lined up + rental around Ruffec.
He had also obtained an irish passport. They started paying 595€/months as there share for health care.
He got his Carte sejour(?) in February. so his has reduced to 65€/moth whilst hers is still at 265€ : I said I thought as he was granted his & they are married she automatically got hers but she said no it still goes on income??.
They are on house purchase number 5 at present with all previous 4 falling through for various reasons mainly illegalities.

She has nearly lost the will to live as it has also basically rained daily since they have been there & house number 5 is by a river & that broke its banks saturday but " it only reached up to the terrace"??:ROFLMAO:
Both are in receipt of state pension she can speak spanish but he struggles so I can't see either of them learning another language?
 
gus-lopez said:
I wouldn't bother.Friends of ours with full spanish residency for 20 years sold here last september. had a house lined up + rental around Ruffec.
He had also obtained an irish passport. They started paying 595€/months as there share for health care.
He got his Carte sejour(?) in February. so his has reduced to 65€/moth whilst hers is still at 265€ : I said I thought as he was granted his & they are married she automatically got hers but she said no it still goes on income??.
They are on house purchase number 5 at present with all previous 4 falling through for various reasons mainly illegalities.

She has nearly lost the will to live as it has also basically rained daily since they have been there & house number 5 is by a river & that broke its banks saturday but " it only reached up to the terrace"??:ROFLMAO:
Both are in receipt of state pension she can speak spanish but he struggles so I can't see either of them learning another language?
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Richard

I got a bit confused because your post started with "I wouldn't bother."

Were you referring to France or Spain?

Geoff
 
Widge said:
I would be surprised if it is true, unless you have some sort of resedency card for ireland, when you travel usualy it is your passport that is scanned, when i go between uk and france i also show my french residency card which stops the 90 days stsrting, but I am not sure if it would be accepted if i flew from uk to spain, you have got me thinking now.
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The ‘Carte d’Sejour’ unlike an EU Citizens ID card is not valid as a travel document. As you say it only proves your Right to Residence and prevents the imposition of the Schengen rules - source French Border Police on entering France from UK.
 
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Charente16 said:
The ‘Carte d’Sejour’ unlike an EU Citizens ID card is not valid as a travel document. As you say it only proves your Right to Residence and prevents the imposition of the Schengen rules - source French Border Police on entering France from UK.
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I assume you are differentiating between an EU Citizens ID card, being valid as a travel document, and an EU Residents ID card
 
gus-lopez said:
I don't think you have the option to come here at the moment? I think the 500k property with residency has been suspended at the mo due to the war ?
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Not sure if has happened yet, but apparently the Spanish PM planning to announce suspension of the 'golden visa' tomorrow.

Link to story: - https://archive.is/ksDZN
 
gus-lopez said:
France I meant Geoff.
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France is like 'Marmite' you either love it or hate it, It is certainly different to Spain. When considering a place to retire after twenty - five years in the sun, we looked at Spain but the places we looked at along the coast seemed 'false; a Disneyland. Further inland was again like living in a desert.

We chose France and have never regretted it. Go 15kms north of us to Ruffec and you start hitting the towns populated by the Brits who call themselves Ex - Pats; you will hear more English spoken than French in LeClerc's S/market. Go another 15K into the Vienne/Deux Sevre Departments - cheaper property prices in the past, you start encountering the stereo type 'Frenchman as a result of the concentration 'Brits'

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