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Did you see what Macron did at the end of December?I thought closing borders was against the rules
Portugal closed borders with Spain tonight
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why the hostility jumar ? Didnāt you do similar in the middle of a pandemic travelling around Spain while dodging some areas that where being locked down at the time..?
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The Jumars have a pass out. After a very strict lockdown in our apartment in the Murcia region, we slowly had a relaxation of the rules and, eventually, permission to travel. After a few hiccoughs. Failed leisure battery and failed delivery of a new one, amongst a few other niggles, we made...
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Don,t need to be told anything about motorhoming in Iberia having been involved in the developing of a campsite and camperstop and the promotion of another in the past 23 years.....as for Vera, I thought the topic was Portugal closing it's border not a camperstop in Almeria.
So all the winter visitors are doing it for the likes of supporting the camperstops and campsites, is this why they come, or is it not to have a jolly like they do every winter, never mind that Spain and Portugal are on their knees serving their own residents and Citizens in the fight against Covid....
Nope, the lockdown in Spain had been relaxed during the summer months, if jumartoo wrote anything that led you to believe we did then she was wrong in doing so, our movement during the summer months were in areas where no restrictions were in place, only a few Municipios in the north were restricted for short periods, I made a point while we were travelling to visit the Guardia Civil and put our plans to them, their advice were respected and followed to the letter....the situation in most of Iberia is very serious. the original post referred to Portugal being lockdown to prevent the Workaround types from exiting into Spain to avoid being put into isolation on their return to the UK....how can we ever beat the Covid situation when people go out of their way to beat the system, a system in place to save lives...why the hostility jumar ? Didnāt you do similar in the middle of a pandemic travelling around Spain while dodging some areas that where being locked down at the time..?
Corona Virus, Great Escape. Med. Spain to Green Spain
The Jumars have a pass out. After a very strict lockdown in our apartment in the Murcia region, we slowly had a relaxation of the rules and, eventually, permission to travel. After a few hiccoughs. Failed leisure battery and failed delivery of a new one, amongst a few other niggles, we made...
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Agree. Getting very preachy and seem to be revelling in the thought of people being stuck abroad and overstaying. I understand lockdowns and this whole mess is getting to people but how about a bit of kindness.why the hostility jumar ? Didnāt you do similar in the middle of a pandemic travelling around Spain while dodging some areas that where being locked down at the time..?
Corona Virus, Great Escape. Med. Spain to Green Spain
The Jumars have a pass out. After a very strict lockdown in our apartment in the Murcia region, we slowly had a relaxation of the rules and, eventually, permission to travel. After a few hiccoughs. Failed leisure battery and failed delivery of a new one, amongst a few other niggles, we made...
Also don't let the facts get in the way of a good 'i told you so' the borders are not closed completely they are being controlled and no British/French /German national is being prevented from leaving Portugal. They most probably would be prevented from entering though and yes the Portuguese did want tourists here when things were going ok up until Christmas. My Facebook was constantly bombarded with visit Portugal adverts. If people have travelled against the rules or lockdowns that is clearly a different matter but many travelled when it was allowed just like you did.
Is there evidence that the motorhomes going past your front door are doing anything illegal or the motorhomes parked up in aires/camper stops are breaking the law...?
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Wasn't there a period after when travel was allowed for any purpose that it was advised for essential purposes only?. I would have thought that was the time people decided either to get back or stay put and hope for the best. If the decision was stay put then it's really a matter of sitting it out.
Itās ok for you to follow the rules but when you see another motorhome you think they are breaking the rules
I said a lot of motorhomes in Portugal are full timers and then you went into a rant about full timers
But itās ok I understand why now , you canāt move so you think anyone who is moving is breaking the law
Iām happy you had a good holiday
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Even if they do it by choice they don't deserve any cryticism,,,BUSBY.
Great more preaching. I clicked onto this to see what was going on not to see a load of people squabbling over the choices and decisions of total strangers without any insight at all into their circumstances. Nobody very few like whats going on but what gives anyone the right to become such busybodies?
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A Spanish friend said Spain is just about ready to close the borders, we will see. Bob.
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We are restricted to our Municipio, fair enough, our government has told us thats what we as residents should do, and most of us do this....Fact. Not a problem for us,
Any visitors to Spain during the current State of Alarm, for example in a motorhome or caravan will be allowed to Transit through unchallenged to their pre-booked campsite or other designated place built to allow sleeping in motorhomes or caravans, Camperstops....once there they should remain in place until the relaxation of such rules.
How many are doing this, very few, are you?
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How do you know they are not going to a pre booked site , we are staying put
sorry I forgot you are a expert you helped to set up a aire and a campsite you tell us every week please feel to come down and check we have not moved to another aire
Well they're definitely crossing closed municipal borders.
Whether they're breaking an actual law is down to the authorities.
We don't cross the borders though. The potential fines are not nice. But we don't need the threat of fines to make us responsible residents.
Revelling, not at all, highlighting not preaching. Don't wish any bad fortunes on anyone, but cannot understand why run the gauntlet, just because of the desire of a wintersun holiday....is it asking too much to just miss a year or two if need be...
Tourism will return, different maybe, but lives do not...they are lost forever..
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Surely not, fairly irresponsible perhaps, or perhaps not, hope they had a great time and return to Iberia when everything gets back to some sort normality, its only a matter of time....
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Couldn't some of the motorhomes be moving about to shop, get gas or medication...... that would be (the most) without a toad.....
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Portugal went into Full Lockdown Yesterday (Thursday 28th) as I have been told
We had to go out for gas last week but I checked with the owner of the aire first to make sure ii was not breaking the law
He wrote a note in Spanish saying where I was going in case I got stopped by the police
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Are you sure what he wrote...
Don't take anything I have written as personal...we are completely stuffed here in Murcia with Covid cases.....we have nearby a large community of South American field workers they are causing a hell of a problem with Covid spread..I have been directed to a couple of van life videos...the makers of these YouTube's have been spreading the word how to avoid being caught moving around...what time the change of shifts are to avoid the Guardia Civil....being told by the Police Local to stay put and moving swiftly..asap...I respect our confinement as being what responsible residents should do....no hardship to me or Judith.....must go now I'm on duty in an hour....curfew duties..had a day off from motorhome counting....
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I suggest you read your own thread I quoted earlier it appears you were doing the same as most other motorhomers are doing now... it would have been the same for you if when you were on your travels the district you were in at the time went into lockdown, would you have moved on..? Or sit it out in a site like MOST of others are....
donāt get me wrong Judith and Martin, I enjoyed your thread and commented on it myself. I enjoy other peopleās travels around Europe at this time as long as their not breaking any rules or laws... I just donāt understand your change in thinking from when you did the same last year...
Totally different situation now...I suggest you read your own thread I quoted earlier it appears you were doing the same as most other motorhomers are doing now... it would have been the same for you if when you were on your travels the district you were in at the time went into lockdown, would you have moved on..? Or sit it out in a site like MOST of others are....
donāt get me wrong Judith and Martin, I enjoyed your thread and commented on it myself. I enjoy other peopleās travels around Europe at this time as long as their not breaking any rules or laws... I just donāt understand your change in thinking from when you did the same last year...
The state of alarm is in the highest level....in the summer it was relaxed.....giving freedom to travel....which we did....if we had been in an area that was going into higher lockdown we would have received notice via the media....we have every week updates on Spanish TV and internet...we have a responsible interest to check this....an opportunity to leave would be encouraged, as I wrote earlier I visited the Guardia Civil to check current situations...if Spain had increased it lockdown level we would have returned home.....
Any motorhomes passing by us have crossed Municipalities as we live on the junction of 4....currently border crossing is forbidden....anyone in situ on Aires or Camperstops should have used the rule of Transit which I have previously mentioned...
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I suggest you read your own thread I quoted earlier it appears you were doing the same as most other motorhomers are doing now... it would have been the same for you if when you were on your travels the district you were in at the time went into lockdown, would you have moved on..? Or sit it out in a site like MOST of others are....
donāt get me wrong Judith and Martin, I enjoyed your thread and commented on it myself. I enjoy other peopleās travels around Europe at this time as long as their not breaking any rules or laws... I just donāt understand your change in thinking from when you did the same last year...
When we travelled, the borders weren't closed. One area was closed until just before we got there. Martin checked with the Guardia before we headed in that direction and they told us all borders were open.
Many borders in Spain are closed right now and we're staying within ours. If we'd been in the unfortunate position in the summer to get caught in the re-closing of borders we'd have followed the advice of the police. Possibly we'd have returned home (that's always allowed).
We have absolutely no problem with people staying put on a site/camperstop or wilding, but there are still a lot of motorhomes travelling over municipal borders and even from region to region. They are even blogging about it!!!
How do people in the UK feel about visitors to their areas? A lot of them aren't happy, are they? That's how we feel here. We want this pandemic to be over like everyone else. Some people just don't seem care.
Glad you liked our trip, we're looking forward to the next one, whenever that will be.
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No as it was allowed then. You weren't allowed in to anyarea that was locked down
Plenty. Foreign mH's are allowed to travel from there place of residence to a PRE booked site. they cannot move from there to another site. If the MH is traveling from the coast up towards me then it isn't arriving & has already broken the law as they are trapped in the municipality on the coast.
When you see them traversing the road over the mountains between Mazarron & Ćguilas they will have broken at least 3 sets of municipality boundaries.
It isn't just foreigners I've seen spanish rentals at it as well.
They have to be. Once here they can only go home.
As above.
No they weren't .then it was perfectly legal. Now you are confined to your neighbourhood , as are the tourists when they first arrive.This is what they either do not realise or are trying get arounds.
& to clarify your last sentence .In the summer in the event that an area was going to be locked down the instructions were that people who actually lived in the area to be locked down had to return home & people who did not live there HAD TO LEAVE by a specific time.Before the road blocks were put in place.
As above .In the summer was perfectly legal for anyone . Now we have confinement to local municipalities.
We never broke any rules when we left the U.K.
We follow the rules where ever we go we even rented a villa in Portugal during the first lockdown for 3 months
Everybody on the aire we are on now are all full timers and everyone follows the rules
Spanish/French/German/Dutch
There are 12 vans here and Iāve not seen one person breaking the rules we chat but we obey the 2 m rule and when we are walking around the aire we all wear masks
I full time because Iāve been divorced 3 times I canāt afford to loose another house
Itās very hard for full timers at this present time but we are no different from anyone we just want to stay safe and the last thing I ever want to do is spread this terrible virus
Lets just move on and start helping each other
Also Iām with Jim I would give up my vacine for someone in need Iāve had a good life
By the way did I tell you about the factory I built lol .......It went over budget it cost 35 million and then I went onto manage it
Not all full timers are free loaders I even met my old Colonel locked down on a aire last year
We follow the rules where ever we go we even rented a villa in Portugal during the first lockdown for 3 months
Everybody on the aire we are on now are all full timers and everyone follows the rules
Spanish/French/German/Dutch
There are 12 vans here and Iāve not seen one person breaking the rules we chat but we obey the 2 m rule and when we are walking around the aire we all wear masks
I full time because Iāve been divorced 3 times I canāt afford to loose another house
Itās very hard for full timers at this present time but we are no different from anyone we just want to stay safe and the last thing I ever want to do is spread this terrible virus
Lets just move on and start helping each other
Also Iām with Jim I would give up my vacine for someone in need Iāve had a good life
By the way did I tell you about the factory I built lol .......It went over budget it cost 35 million and then I went onto manage it
Not all full timers are free loaders I even met my old Colonel locked down on a aire last year
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But we've less than you? Most areas like here stick to the rules. many don't in Madrid & Barc & the main problem for us here is the south americans.
Up in Alicante it is supposed to be rife.............................especially amongst the winter sunbirds who are ..............?
I draw your attention to post #23
from this thread
https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/covid-antigen-test-for-return-to-uk.234241/
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