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I’ve read that before you go to Europe you must empty the MH, take it to a weigh station to weigh it, then pack it again, weigh it again and then you’ll know the payload. Seems very onerous. What do people think?
 
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Minxy said:
There is no requirement for you to weight your MH when going to Europe (mainland) so I'm not sure where that's come from. It may be something to do with speeds but would be more applicable to the UK rather the Europe as UK speed limits are based on a vehicle's unladen weight whereas abroad they are based on MTPLM - don't worry about it though for your situation.

As for emptying it before weighing, that isn't a good idea as you would have to put back everything you want to take with you, including dogs, passengers, water etc and try to work out how much this things add which will affect the load on each axle depending on where they are and it wouldn't be as accurate (even using the spreadsheet above) as weighing it fully laden. It's much better therefore to load it up as if you were actually going away in it so it is in full holiday trim with you, passengers, dogs etc, basically everything that will be travelling in it and then get it weighed. You need either both axles weights or and overall weight an one axle weight as you can work out the overall and/or individual axle weights from this. It is possible to be within the overall weight but over on one of the axles (usually rear) and this is where some who only use an overall weight figure come unstuck ... you can tell who they are as the MH rear is nearly dragging on the floor!
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Very useful thank you 😁
 
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Minxy said:
There is no requirement for you to weight your MH when going to Europe (mainland) so I'm not sure where that's come from. It may be something to do with speeds but would be more applicable to the UK rather the Europe as UK speed limits are based on a vehicle's unladen weight whereas abroad they are based on MTPLM - don't worry about it though for your situation.
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You’re right about it being applicable to U.K. Up to 3050kgs unladen weight, the speed limit on single carriageway roads is 60mph (same as a car).. Over 3050kgs unladen weight it’s 50mph, same as a panel van.
How many know their unladen weight though? It’s not on the V5c and neither DVLA or DVSA have a database for campers/motorhomes! 😏
 
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Ok........Silly Question time. If towing a trailer with a motorbike on it, does that affect the weight limit of the motorhome. I have been told it does, and been also told it doesn't..........is there a definitive answer?
 
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john prince said:
Does anyone know of a weighbridge in / near Southampton that I can get my Burstner Nexxo , (6.2m) weighed?
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Yep, up in Eastleigh at Aggregate Industries (Aggregates), right at the end of Tower Lane off Chicken Hall lane, here ... If the link's worked and you put the satellite view on the weighbridge is right under the location pin. Unless it's changed, call their Portsmouth base where you can book and pay, on 02392 662801

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You should have a plate which indicates the gross weight (MPLM) and the train weight. The difference the the weight you can tow.
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When I get a new motorhome I take it empty to the local free council weighbridge and check the unloaded weight out of curiosity. Usually say damn to the lying manufacturers.
I then fully load it with all we carry and me and her gets it weighed as we would drive it. That way I know how much extra I can carry if needed or how much I have to leave behind.

My last motorhome (Rapido) was so much over the manufacturers weight that the only way we could use it was to drive overweight, which we did for three years before changing vans.

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When I buy a packet of aspirins or a new tool there is a long list of do's and dont's, but it seems that there is no equivalent with a MH, specifically about weight and payload.

Why not?
 
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Tony the Manc' said:
Ok........Silly Question time. If towing a trailer with a motorbike on it, does that affect the weight limit of the motorhome. I have been told it does, and been also told it doesn't..........is there a definitive answer?
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Whether or not you can tow a trailer is dictated by the weights on the VIN plate. On most vehicles, that’s under the bonnet. Mine actually has 3! 1st was Fiat’s original, 2nd was Alko’s who modified the chassis and 3rd was Rapido. The final adapters plate is the relevant one. (For info, Hymer had a sticker near the habitation door on my first 2 Hymers).
check my blog at https://spinner28.wixsite.com/tonys-towing-trivia/post/weights-vin-plates on how to calculate your towing limit.
 
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nicholsong said:
When I buy a packet of aspirins or a new tool there is a long list of do's and dont's, but it seems that there is no equivalent with a MH, specifically about weight and payload.

Why not?
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Legislation on pharmacueticals dictates the information that has to be displayed.

Shame there's no such legislation for the motor vehicle industry. We're either at the mercy or some snotty salesman or we have to do our own research and just hope we get it right.
 
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Trevor Wbm said:
Yep, up in Eastleigh at Aggregate Industries (Aggregates), right at the end of Tower Lane off Chicken Hall lane, here ... If the link's worked and you put the satellite view on the weighbridge is right under the location pin. Unless it's changed, call their Portsmouth base where you can book and pay, on 02392 662801
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Many thanks for the info. Will sort out after next week as booked into Back of Beyond site, just in time for the snow!😳

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Tony the Manc' said:
Cheers Verteuil (Local) Man, any idea where I may find such a plate on my vehicle?
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There will be two or three plates on your vehicle, The base vehicle plate, The chassis plate if it has an Al-Ko chassis & the converters plate. The last plate fitted supersedes all other plates which will be the converters plate & it could be anywhere, on the sill in the footwell, under the bonnet etc.
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Under the bonnet is where mine is.
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No it's not, on your Hymer it will be on the sill behind the RHS rear wheel.
 
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nicholsong said:
When I buy a packet of aspirins or a new tool there is a long list of do's and dont's, but it seems that there is no equivalent with a MH, specifically about weight and payload.

Why not?
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I've never tried to swallow a MH... 😄
 
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Verteuil Man said:
At the end of the day it is common sense and asking people who have more experience. You do not get a manual with a baby or a car.
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but you do get a manual with a car. You also get a specification list. The specifications on motorhomes are carefully hidden and are misleading.
 
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Folkranger said:
but you do get a manual with a car. You also get a specification list. The specifications on motorhomes are carefully hidden and are misleading.
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I think a lot of experience at work will also help. I had a lot of experience driver vans and lorries and when I was supervising on motorway jobs I was doing 120,000 a year in a car.
 
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john prince said:
Does anyone know of a weighbridge in / near Southampton that I can get my Burstner Nexxo , (6.2m) weighed?
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Don’t go to the Aggregate Industry one in Eastleigh….it’s broken…has been for 2 months. Pity as they used to do mine for free ☹️

Just took mine here the other day.

EMR Ltd. Dundalk Spur, Dunclas Lane, Copnor, Portsmouth…PO3 5NX…..ust off the M27.
£10 per axle.

Don’t go between 9am and 9.30am or 1pm and 1.30pm.

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Folkranger said:
but you do get a manual with a car. You also get a specification list. The specifications on motorhomes are carefully hidden and are misleading.
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I don't know that they are that hidden, just that you have to ask the right questions. Knowing the right questions is the key.
Which is why we are all here :smiley:

I imagine that few people planning what is probably their second biggest single expenditure, simply waltz into Motorhomes R Us and go, "Errrr... that white one over there!"
Or maybe it is just me.

I will say for the prosecution, that when we had decided to trade in our tug for a chug, were seriously starry-eyed. Down at a well known dealer on the South Coast, the guy there wanted to sell his forecourt stock. None of which was 3500kg (Mrs DDJC has a post '97 licence). He actually said that he couldn't order new ones yet! Weird way to run a business. But anyway the point is that we looked at some 3800s and some lovely tag axles, and at no point did the Salesdude actually point out that the Mrs couldn't actually drive it.

So he lost a sale and we bought one at the NEC a few months later, but it taught us the lesson. Know what you want before hand. Research everything. Understand everything. The sales bloke doesn't give a toss whether it is too big for you or too small for you. He is there to flog you a bus, and all their talk about "Twenty tones cargo with standard MIRO" is no defence when the Gendarmes rock up with their scales. You have to work out how much weight you are, because no one runs with the MIRO that the sales blurb talks about.
 
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Vertuil Man, this is what I located under the bonnet. Do you know from this image, what the "train weight " is and if so, how to calculate it?

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Tony the Manc' said:
Vertuil Man, this is what I located under the bonnet. Do you know from this image, what the "train weight " is and if so, how to calculate it?

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That is the base vehicle plate which is irrelevant you need to find the converters plate.
 
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your gross train weight is 6 tonnes.
Your towing limit is 2,500kgs.
your MGW is 3,500kgs
your axle weights (max) are 1850kgs (front) and 2,000kgs rear
unless modified by a converters plate!

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