Payload - Important or Not, do we need a law to ensure all vans sold MUST be weighed at time of sale?

[Ivory55]

Will be fine after the 31st October

In all honesty even if we leave it won’t change, as I bet part of the deal is that our drivers laws are in line with the eu.

 

[Ivory55]

Y

If a van driver wishes to drive a motorhome he can, but a separation of commercial and domestic use is not unreasonable or unusual.
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You are missing the vital point human nature. Why should he have the right to drive X weight and I am not. If I owned a van completely I would object to and would go for human rights etc etc. It wont happen simple.

 

[Larrynwin]

Y

We can’t all have what we want, my neighbour has more money than me , I want more

 

[Kingham]

There is so much chatter on this important subject related to what you can and cannot do/ legal or not legal/ fine or no fine/dangerous or not, invalidate insurance or not. It is difficult to differentiate between ‘informed’ or not so well informed comments.
Rather than worry about ways of getting around this important aspect somehow or other why don’t we simply accept the details on the plate that’s in attached to the bodywork specifically for that vehicle. Overloading a vehicle beyond the plate may or may not be influenced by any of the points made earlier. Not an engineer but common sense says putting additional load on the vehicle beyond the plate will influence the driving characteristics of the vehicle as it’s beyond what the ‘experts’ have defined. As would driving too fast or bald tires, under the influence etc and therefore until the there is an alternative system why don’t we just get on with it.

If only it was that simple.

My van and many like it are built on a heavy chassis which are designed and safe to drive up to 4500kg. Mine left the factory plated at 3500kg to suit licence requirements for the young and old, so I had it uprated to its design weight of 4500kg to suit my personal requirements.
Had I left it at 3500kg and inadvertently loaded it to 3550kg, I would be classed as overweight, but it would not have an adverse effect on the driving characteristics of the van.

 

[Ivory55]

We can’t all have what we want, my neighbour has more money than me , I want more

Are you any different or special wanting different rules because you own a motorhome. No we are all the same and I would see it as treating people equally. But maybe everyone is equal just some are more equal than others.

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[pandas]

If only it was that simple.

My van and many like it are built on a heavy chassis which are designed and safe to drive up to 4500kg. Mine left the factory plated at 3500kg to suit licence requirements for the young and old, so I had it uprated to its design weight of 4500kg to suit my personal requirements.
Had I left it at 3500kg and inadvertently loaded it to 3550kg, I would be classed as overweight, but it would not have an adverse effect on the driving characteristics of the van.

I think you are making my point by officially uprating the plate you are then working within the new criteria for the vehicle - sorted and also quite simple with no debate about flying under the radar.

 

[Larrynwin]

Are you any different or special wanting different rules because you own a motorhome. No we are all the same and I would see it as treating people equally. But maybe everyone is equal just some are more equal than others.

This is not about people it’s about suitability of vehicles and the law relating to them.

 

[gus-lopez]

One of the main reasons that commercial vans are under 3.5t is so that they do not need tacos. Fine for being over weight are the same for the driver if it is a motorhome or commercial. However if a commercial van is over weight they go after the company as well. If they run hgv they could lose their operators license

in Spain most refrigerated box vans run at 3,5t with an uw of over 3,3t. I can assure you no company puts less than 200kgs of product in a 12cubic metre box.

Will be fine after the 31st October

rules stay the same until individual laws are rescinded,if required.

 

[Ivory55]

This is not about people it’s about suitability of vehicles and the law relating to them.

So my van is not suitable for my transport buisness but my drivers can not drive bigger on his license can you change the law to suit my drivers.

 

[Larrynwin]

So my van is not suitable for my transport buisness but my drivers can not drive bigger on his license can you change the law to suit my drivers.

If you have bought a van for your business I’m sure you would have ensured it was suitable for your purposes in advance and if you need heavier load carrying capacity a larger vehicle and drivers with the necessary licence.

IMO motorhomes and commercial load carrying vehicles are different issues.

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[Ivory55]

We will have to agree to differ.

 

[PeteH]

Such a small change to the law. and the creation of a "Motorhome" category, Could very likely be done as an executive deicision, without need for parliamentary scrutiny. Many other decisions have been so made over the years. What would happen of course is the the VED rate would almost certainly Increase!.

 

[Larrynwin]

Such a small change to the law. and the creation of a "Motorhome" category, Could very likely be done as an executive deicision, without need for parliamentary scrutiny. Many other decisions have been so made over the years. What would happen of course is the the VED rate would almost certainly Increase!.

Be worth an extra cost to bring legality to thousands of motorhome drivers.

 

[Lenny HB]

Be worth an extra cost to bring legality to thousands of motorhome drivers.

Doubt it most of them wouldn't bother to uprate.

 

[Larrynwin]

Doubt it most of them wouldn't bother to uprate.

You would hope that notification from DVLA that their licence now legalised driving a motorhome up to -000kgs would prompt most to take action, or not

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[Tony50]

45% were overweight. 10% of those by a LOT

From my experience of a 3500kg Motorhomes I doubt if many are not overweight, what I think should happen is the current 3500 kgs. Should be 4500kgs and driven on a car licence. After all Artic Trucks went from 32 tonnes to 44 on same licence, technology has also moved on .The Industry should be approaching government, but, as they sell everything they make their attitude seems to be why should we care
Tony A