New Motorhome Tax Costs? - 1st Sep 2019

[Gordonreid944]

Hope this is not the case I am taking delivery of a new autotrail on 1st September
It is over the 3500kg weight. Have asked dealer if this is right. If so will be registered now. Grrr

 

[Deneb]

Hope this is not the case I am taking delivery of a new autotrail on 1st September
It is over the 3500kg weight. Have asked dealer if this is right. If so will be registered now. Grrr

Over 3500kgs WLTP doesn't apply. It should be taxed as PHGV.

 

[scousebird]

Hope this is not the case I am taking delivery of a new autotrail on 1st September
It is over the 3500kg weight. Have asked dealer if this is right. If so will be registered now. Grrr

Ask the dealer if it has a Euro 6b or Euro 6d engine (this is the one that will be subject to the new higher tax rates)

 

[G7UXG]

Over 3500kgs WLTP doesn't apply. It should be taxed as PHGV.

So what would happen if you had the manufacturer uprate a 3500kg chassis to 3650kg and registered it as a PHGV, and then immediately downplayed it to 3500kg after registration?

 

[Langtoftlad]

So what would happen if you had the manufacturer uprate a 3500kg chassis to 3650kg and registered it as a PHGV, and then immediately downplayed it to 3500kg after registration?

Presumably you'd have a hefty bill... for the optional upgrade, for the down plating and would still liable for the first year's VED.

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[Deneb]

Presumably you'd have a hefty bill... for the optional upgrade, for the down plating and would still liable for the first year's VED.

Yes, if you downplate a PHGV today it will go to PLG. If you downplate a vehicle that was subject to WLTP at the time of its manufacturer, but up-plated by a subsequent stage conversion, I would assume it will drop to the Diesel Car category and attract the applicable tax rate.

 

[Wissel]

Do the DVLA supply Vaseline?

 

[Simon Select]

Its £2135 for new vehicles..
Current dealer stock is ok but anything coming through on the 6D engine format is going to be the £2135 but yes it is down to emissions. Plus a diesel supplement.

 

[Paul and Kate]

How does the 40k bracket get evaluated.
Is it RRP or the final selling price?
Just curious really

 

[mikebeaches]

How does the 40k bracket get evaluated.
Is it RRP or the final selling price?
Just curious really

In matters like this, it is normally based on the manufacturer's RRP.

Not the price you pay.

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[Cheshirecat57]

How does the 40k bracket get evaluated.
Is it RRP or the final selling price?
Just curious really

Its List price including extras at list price

 

[Pausim]

Auto Express said as follows:

“Note if you haggle a plus-£40,000 car down to below £40,000, you’ll still have to pay the supplement as it's based on the cost of the car for tax purposes. The £40,000 calculation also includes all options and trim levels, and there is effectively no escaping this surcharge.”

 

[Cheshirecat57]

My last company car was £39953 with all the “bits” that I ordered without a factory towbar

If I had added the £650 factory bar, overall 5 year cost would have increased by a further £2500 via road tax

 

[mpdcymru]

You do realise the fine for no tax will be a fraction of the tax cost.

I think the penalty for using a vehicle with no VED is still "£1,000 or 5 times the rate of duty"

 

[Cheshirecat57]

I think the penalty for using a vehicle with no VED is still "£1,000 or 5 times the rate of duty"

And you still owe the tax when you have paid the fine

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[mpdcymru]

In practice, if the matter is prosecuted in court, the arrears of back-duty is always aplied for and almost always granted by the magistrates.

 

[PeteH]

How about:-

If you had "No Fixed Abode". Where would you register a vehicle to?. C/O DVLA?. Or if you cannot register it then how can you pay VED?. More interestingly, how could you insure said vehicle.

From there it expands. As a denial of that "right" of ownership, could be construed as Discriminatory?.

 

[tomlowry07]

I presume this is good news for my september delivery!

Good evening Tom,

Following on from your email, we have received communication from our technical department who have advised that our commercial engines will be RDE2/Euro6d compliant as from Spring 2020.

However production dates have not been officially confirmed by Mercedes-Benz Vans UK.

 

[Hellboy]

Please find attached the House of Commons Briefing Paper on the new Motorhome VED dated 8th August 2019

 

[Pausim]

Please find attached the House of Commons Briefing Paper on the new Motorhome VED dated 8th August 2019

The Briefing Paper makes no mention of any transition period for the new VED rates, makes it sound like a clear cut off on 01/09/19. I have heard elsewhere that there is a limited derogation for some vehicles without CO2 figures that are already in the system. I am glad that I asked for my new motorhome to be registered this month but if not I would be looking for written assurances from the dealer.

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[peterc10]

We collect our new MH on 1st September and our dealer gave us this to explain it all. Our new MH is a Euro 6b which is covered in the existing tax rules.

Ooooooooo.......... Missed that bit of gossip. Pray tell Helen what you are getting

 

[Lenny HB]

Please find attached the House of Commons Briefing Paper on the new Motorhome VED dated 8th August 2019

Something official at last, the good news is it only mentions PLG so over 3500kg should still be OK.

 

[funflair]

The briefing say cars and some M1sp, I think “some” is the important word in this and after reading pages and pages of EU documents I am not convinced that this will apply to anything other than PVC or mass produced models as different body aerodynamics and weight configuration will make it very difficult to put a CO2 number on small runs of vehicles of say less than 500 which is mentioned in the EU documents.

I could be wrong though, let’s see?

Martin

 

[Deneb]

The briefing say cars and some M1sp, I think “some” is the important word in this and after reading pages and pages of EU documents I am not convinced that this will apply to anything other than PVC or mass produced models as different body aerodynamics and weight configuration will make it very difficult to put a CO2 number on small runs of vehicles of say less than 500 which is mentioned in the EU documents.

I could be wrong though, let’s see?

Martin

I'm not so sure. The EU primary legislation says that motorhomes with a frontal area no more than a certain percentage greater than the base vehicle they have been converted from will be allowed to assume the WLTP figure applying to the base vehicle, but those exceeding the limit will have to be submitted for testing in their own right. I can't recall the cut off figure offhand, but I think it was something around 16 per cent?

I'm not convinced about the small manufacturer exemption either. I take that as applying to motor vehicle manufacturers (i.e. the base vehicle manufacturer) not subsequent stage converters. When you look up the lists of manufacturers who currently have small build exemption they are all small vehicle manufacturers. There are no motorhome converters in the list at all.

But I am no more sure than you are!

 

[pappajohn]

Automatic fine for the registered keeper if there is no evidence that the vehicle has been used on a public road is £80. If the vehicle is seen or photographed on a public road, between one and a half and two times the outstanding annual tax charge plus a fine, plus a clamping and release fee or recovery fee and pound storage charge if clamped or seized by a DVLA enforcement contractor.

Now you're just complicating things.

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[pappajohn]

So I suspect it will probably be bad news but not as bad as dealerships' Project Fear is suggesting...
I looked up my Citroen Relay 2.0l 130 AdBlue emissions:

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...and the chart from above:

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which suggests VED of £530 (or £855 if criteria not met)...

A significant increase to be sure, but not as bad as Helen's pamphlet suggests.

I'd hope the Euro 6D which reduce emissions further but probably unlikely to achieve a below 150g needed for the lower band.

But as I'm non techie, I could easily have got it wrong.

Is that the ongoing annual rate or the first year one off 'luxury car tax'

 

[pappajohn]

I think the penalty for using a vehicle with no VED is still "£1,000 or 5 times the rate of duty"

Agreed...... But the penalty for no MOT is also £1000.
It would be a sad day if it cost more than a £100 fixed penalty fine for no MOT.
These £1000 fines are maximum penalty guidelines for magistrates and only apply in extreme cases.

 

[scousebird]

Ooooooooo.......... Missed that bit of gossip. Pray tell Helen what you are getting

Chausson Welcome 630 Premier

 

[Helen Ariel]

I've read all this thread after hearing about this tax increase from a dealer. We are looking to buy our 1st motorhome soon and today found what we think is the perfect van for us. The dealer is selling it with lots of extras thrown in as it's the older engine type not 6d. We weren't quite ready to purchase and register by the 1st of September but if this new £2000 tax is going to apply if we don't we might just bite the bullet and get on with it. It's a 3.5t vehicle and over 40k with the old engine type so is this the case it needs to be purchased and registered before the 1st to avoid the tax hike? Thanks. So confused!

 

[peterc10]

Assuming that this motorhome is in stock the dealer should have its CoC and should therefore know whether or not it has a statement showing the actual emission figures. I suggest you need to discuss it with them.

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