New 2020 Peugeot e-Boxer electric van arrives with 211 mile range

[nicholsong]

The FLT will actually be better off. Rather than fuelling with diesel they will take advantage of free charger points which includes free parking. They will no longer need LPG, Solar Panels, Generators, B2B chargers etc etc. Everything will run on electric and be powered by the vehicle battery.
A 100AH battery at a nominal 12 Volts is a 1200Wh battery with 600Wh available. A van will come with around 100Kwh but being lithium based you can use close to 90% of so their battery bank has gone from 600Wh to 100,000Wh...

Supermarkets and other shops will provide free charging for customers and these will get abused by the FLT who will go and use the free 2 Hour charge to top up each day.

Once you have cut down the height barrier.

 

[Gromett]

Dream on...

You may not like it, but it is happening and happening far faster than you think. Unless you are at deaths door now, it will be within your lifetime. Resistance is futile

 

[Off da Grid]

I can get 600 miles out of my diesel tank at a steady 55 - 60mph probably more

 

[chrisgreen]

and this EV can get over 500 miles on a single charge of its 113 kW battery
https://electrek.co/2020/08/26/lucid-range-113-kwh-battery-pack/

 

[gus-lopez]

that is under the bonnet and runs on fuel from a petrol station.

& when you have seen people run out of both on the motorway there isn't a lot of hope.

Certainly rule out a large number of Spanish sites with their 6amp power points.

We haven't enough electric in the summer to run houses.

You said we will never see any in our lifetime. They exist already and being sold. Just because you haven't seen one doesn't mean they don't exist

First all-electric motorhome launched in Europe

The first all-electric motorhome has gone on sale in Europe. The model – called the Iridium E Mobil – has no engine and relies solely on batteries for its motive and habitation power.

www.outandaboutlive.co.uk

169,000 euros.
120 to 180 miles range so lucky if 100 driven normally.

New 2021 Peugeot e-Boxer electric van on sale from £49,335 | Auto Express

Peugeot e-Boxer van joins the e-Partner and e-Expert with a 70kWh battery and a maximum range of 139 miles

www.autoexpress.co.uk

I can't believe that is 211 miles driven by white van man?

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[LesW]

You may not like it, but it is happening and happening far faster than you think. Unless you are at deaths door now, it will be within your lifetime. Resistance is futile

I would absolutely love an electric 3500kg moho with a 400+kg payload (similar to what I have now).
When will that be available? , how much will it be? , where can I go?
I rarely bother with EHU, in fact I mainly stop at Aires where there is no electricity available at all, so I'll be jiggered won't I?

These vehicles are decades away for general usage, a few publicity shots may fool the gullible, but not me.

 

[LesW]

You may not like it, but it is happening and happening far faster than you think. Unless you are at deaths door now, it will be within your lifetime. Resistance is futile

I would absolutely love a 3500kg moho with a 400+kg payload (similar to what I have now).
When will that be available? , how much will it be? , where can I go?
I rarely bother with EHU, in fact I mainly stop at Aires where there is no electricity available at all, so I'll be jiggered won't I?

These vehicles are decades away for general usage, a few publicity shots may fool the gullible, but not me.

 

[busby]

Great for a delivery van but useless for a Motorhome, 4 ton version top speed 56 mph.
Range is the problem 211 miles claimed in real world being optomistic say 150. So on a typical 6 week trip to Spain & Portugal we do around 3,500 miles that's 24 recharges.

Think range quoted mileage is a bit like mpg and pay load...a little far from the truth,,BUSBY

 

[busby]

You may not like it, but it is happening and happening far faster than you think. Unless you are at deaths door now, it will be within your lifetime. Resistance is futile

At my age ..It is years away..BUSBY.

 

[busby]

I would absolutely love a 3500kg moho with a 400+kg payload (similar to what I have now).
When will that be available? , how much will it be? , where can I go?
I rarely bother with EHU, in fact I mainly stop at Aires where there is no electricity available at all, so I'll be jiggered won't I?

These vehicles are decades away for general usage, a few publicity shots may fool the gullible, but not me.

I have heard Rover are developing a gas turbine,, BUSBY.

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[EuroTrotters]

The FLT will actually be better off. Rather than fuelling with diesel they will take advantage of free charger points which includes free parking. They will no longer need LPG, Solar Panels, Generators, B2B chargers etc etc. Everything will run on electric and be powered by the vehicle battery.
A 100AH battery at a nominal 12 Volts is a 1200Wh battery with 600Wh available. A van will come with around 100Kwh but being lithium based you can use close to 90% of so their battery bank has gone from 600Wh to 100,000Wh...

Supermarkets and other shops will provide free charging for customers and these will get abused by the FLT who will go and use the free 2 Hour charge to top up each day.

nahhhhh

 

[tonyidle]

Still don't understand why the battery isn't a pack system. Have a swap system in any existing garage so no huge infrastructure investment beyond some glorified fork lift truck. Just needs manufacturers to work together to standardise a system.. ah just realised the flaw

Could be a market for range-boost trailers?

 

[tonyidle]

Much more worrying is that we're a tiny market segment. There's no reason to think that we figure in any commercial vehicle manufacturers EV plans. We have always adapted whatever they choose to produce and they may not produce anything with the range we're used to - at least in the short term. Maybe battery trailers will be a short-term answer?

 

[wiljoy]

Electric motorhome????
Is it Aoril the 1st???
Well need to weeks holiday to complete only one.

 

[nicholsong]

Think range quoted mileage is a bit like mpg and pay load...a little far from the truth,,BUSBY

It was done on the flat at constant speed ignoring acceleration, hills, headwinds etc. or accessories like lights, wipers, heater etc.

I would like to see the figures for the average of 100 tests where the vehicle has been driven by 100 average drivers over their typical journeys.

Also one has allow in practical use for the fact that at one'selected recharge point the chargers might all be occupied, U/S etc and one needs diversion 'fuel' to next. Same with one's chosen nightstop.

Probably the PR people would not like that - but they should be reminded that it is the €169,000 customers who are buying and want to know. If they cannot demonstrate workable mileage maybe they should delay announcements till they can.

Geoff

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[dunnah01]

Could be a market for range-boost trailers?

Just different size battery packs based on you're driving style. Single pack for little car for £20, double pack for Rep mobile £40, triple pack for German car drivers to put pedal to metal (actually a double pack would do coz they'll save leccy by not using indicators) for £60 and racing car mode could have 4 slots. Completely future proof as battery technology is in the pack rather than the car. Anybody know where to apply to Dragons Den?

 

[Landy Andy]

i’m building my own.
Got four of these on a order

 

[gus-lopez]

the chargers might all be occupied,

or up north where the cabdrivers refuse to allow anyone else to use them.

 

[Gromett]

I rarely bother with EHU, in fact I mainly stop at Aires where there is no electricity available at all, so I'll be jiggered won't I?

So the 1st ones won't suit you then obviously.

I never drive more than 2-3 hours in a day, I stay overnight on CL's which would be enough to recharge one (yes, I would expect to pay a little more for electric). A 200 mile van would be more than adequate for my needs. That is why I am so excited about the 300 mile one from Arrival.

Lot's of people use their motorhome for weekend trips away and 100-150 miles is more than enough. Not everyone goes hooling it down to Spain in 2 days and wild camps all the time.

 

[dunnah01]

So the 1st ones won't suit you then obviously.

I never drive more than 2-3 hours in a day, I stay overnight on CL's which would be enough to recharge one (yes, I would expect to pay a little more for electric). A 200 mile van would be more than adequate for my needs. That is why I am so excited about the 300 mile one from Arrival.

Lot's of people use their motorhome for weekend trips away and 100-150 miles is more than enough. Not everyone goes hooling it down to Spain in 2 days and wild camps all the time.

You won't able to charge at any CLs for a long time, they can't give electricity away for free.

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[TM59]

200 miles more than adequate for me normally. What I don’t like is the event of an emergency and you need home for example from Portugal. Quicker to get a flight which has its own problems. Going to get a tad complicated this Motorhome business. Electric is coming quicker than we expect.

 

[Off da Grid]

Electric commercial vans will be up rated to 4.5 tonne on a standard license to account for the mass of the battery pack. So the usable payload should still be usable.

 

[dunnah01]

i’m building my own.
Got four of these on a order

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Hang on? - bikes only have two wheels so are you buying a couple of spares

 

[chrisgreen]

You won't able to charge at any CLs for a long time, they can't give electricity away for free.

most charging points the electric has to be paid for anywhere between 13.5p and 35.5p a unit Aldi and Tesco are free.

 

[dunnah01]

most charging points the electric has to be paid for anywhere between 13.5p and 35.5p a unit Aldi and Tesco are free.

But it"s a mahoosive investment to get serious amps for the odd scalextric van that may turn up so not sure how that would that ever work without taxpayer money

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[nicholsong]

tElectric commercial vans will be up rated o 4.5 tonne on a standard license to account for the mass of the battery pack. So the usable payload should still be usable.

That could happen under UK legislation, but that licence would not be valid elsewhere, unless the UK got the 127 or so signatories to the Vienna Convention to amend it.

Geoff

 

[philann]

CAMC charge £2 per day to charge an ev, but it will take over 43 hours to 100% charge of a 100kWh battery, according to their web site!

 

[Gromett]

But it"s a mahoosive investment to get serious amps for the odd scalextric van that may turn up so not sure how that would that ever work without taxpayer money

I did look into this some time ago. A destination charger of 7-14Kw can be installed from between £500-2000.

High speed chargers are around £30,000 but electric supply can be up to £100,000 but this will be spread over multiple chargers (think of a motorway services).

A lot of high speed chargers will include a battery to buffer the grid. These batteries will be charged by either a local solar panel array and/or topped up from the grid overnight when demand is low and prices are low. These batteries will then be used to supply part of the charge to each car with the rest coming from the grid. The batteries won't be able to supply ALL the charge need but reduce the grid demand and infrastructure costs.

Hydrogen stations on the other hand cost upwards of £2.5M to install each.

 

[Gromett]

Worth also noting that currently every car in the country needs to be filled with petrol/diesel.

For EV's the vast majority of people will start the day with a fully charged car and won't touch the chargers. Please note I know this doesn't apply to everyone as not everyone has off road parking or do long journeys regularly.

Most people >50% will have home charging and start each day with a full tank. In 2018 the average annual mileage was 7,600, which equates to 146 a week or 20 miles a day. Most people >50% don't do long distance.
Comparing petrol stations to EV charge points is not therefore a direct comparison.


Lots of companies, including supermarkets, fast food joints and service stations are already installing the fast chargers.

20 minutes while getting a McDonalds will be enough to fill most EV's to 80%.

McDonald's to install EV chargers at all UK drive-thrus - edie

McDonald's UK & Ireland has unveiled plans to install electric vehicle (EV) charging points at all restaurants with a drive-thru, as part of a partnership with InstaVolt.

www.edie.net

 

[chrisgreen]

Worth also noting that currently every car in the country needs to be filled with petrol/diesel.

For EV's the vast majority of people will start the day with a fully charged car and won't touch the chargers. Please note I know this doesn't apply to everyone as not everyone has off road parking or do long journeys regularly.

Most people >50% will have home charging and start each day with a full tank. In 2018 the average annual mileage was 7,600, which equates to 146 a week or 20 miles a day. Most people >50% don't do long distance.
Comparing petrol stations to EV charge points is not therefore a direct comparison.


Lots of companies, including supermarkets, fast food joints and service stations are already installing the fast chargers.

20 minutes while getting a McDonalds will be enough to fill most EV's to 80%.

McDonald's to install EV chargers at all UK drive-thrus - edie

McDonald's UK & Ireland has unveiled plans to install electric vehicle (EV) charging points at all restaurants with a drive-thru, as part of a partnership with InstaVolt.

www.edie.net

glad to see maccy d partnering up with instavolt the best charging point are instavolt up to 150kw chargers. although dear at 35p a unit they do charge very fast.

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