NC500 now being advertised for Cyclists

[Gellyneck]

Hopefully the cyclists will interpret that as pulling into a passing place to let following motorised traffic pass.

and motorhomes?

 

[Jamesh]

and motorhomes?

Motorhomes what a nussance...anyone would have thought this was a motorhome forum....oh sorry wrong forum....!

 

[Gellyneck]

Motorhomes what a nussance.........................

Yip, they can be on single-track roads where the driver is unaware of the etiquette for driving on these.

Many do not know \ understand passing places are not just used for oncoming traffic but also following.

Travelling in convoy, the worst I've experienced was 6 or 7 hired motorhomes almost nose to tail.

Pulling over the road into a passing place on the other side of the road rather than stopping on the carriageway to allow the oncoming vehicle to use the passing place.

Dawdling along \ using passing place whilst viewing the scenery!

A light-heartedish video of the common sense required for driving on single-track roads.

 

[Gaston aires]

Yesterday, we were on a local bus on the IOW going to Ryde. We followed a couple of cyclists causing a massive tail back, did they pull over, no, just kept going not a care in the world. Arrogance, stupidity, dementia I don’t know but the bus was 30 mins late on arrival.
Great fun on the NC500
Phil

 

[nicholsong]

Yip, they can be on single-track roads where the driver is unaware of the etiquette for driving on these.

Many do not know \ understand passing places are not just used for oncoming traffic but also following.

Travelling in convoy, the worst I've experienced was 6 or 7 hired motorhomes almost nose to tail.

Pulling over the road into a passing place on the other side of the road rather than stopping on the carriageway to allow the oncoming vehicle to use the passing place.

Dawdling along \ using passing place whilst viewing the scenery!

A light-heartedish video of the common sense required for driving on single-track roads.

It is a pity that video did not make the point about looking well ahead to see oncoming traffic and the relative positons of parking places to opposing traffic, which makes planning of who is best to stop where much easier, then one of you can indicate intention to stop and give way.

I will take up one point where I disagree with the above post and the video. That is when the passing place is on one's RH side, that one should stop on the carriageway, for 3 reasons -

1 If the oncoming vehicle is an 18tonner or a bus it often cannot fit easily into some of the passing places, or very slowly and carefully.

2 If there is more than one vehicle oncoming, the same applies.

3 In any case the oncoming vehicles have to slow to negotiate their way into the passing place and then stop. If I stop my vehicle in the passing place, albeit on the RH side, then only my vehicle has to be stopped and the oncoming vehicles can proceed at normal carriageway speed.

I consider that point 3 speeds up the clearance of the single-carriageway to enable a faster throughput of traffic. Some vehicles may have an urgent need for a swifter journey, not all on holiday.

I am open to reasons way stopping on the carriageway is preferable to stopping in a RH passing places, if the reasons can overcome my ideas.

Geoff

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[Mountain man]

It is a pity that video did not make the point about looking well ahead to see oncoming traffic and the relative positons of parking places to opposing traffic, which makes planning of who is best to stop where much easier, then one of you can indicate intention to stop and give way.

I will take up one point where I disagree with the above post and the video. That is when the passing place is on one's RH side, that one should stop on the carriageway, for 3 reasons -

1 If the oncoming vehicle is an 18tonner or a bus it often cannot fit easily into some of the passing places, or very slowly and carefully.

2 If there is more than one vehicle oncoming, the same applies.

3 In any case the oncoming vehicles have to slow to negotiate their way into the passing place and then stop. If I stop my vehicle in the passing place, albeit on the RH side, then only my vehicle has to be stopped and the oncoming vehicles can proceed at normal carriageway speed.

I consider that point 3 speeds up the clearance of the single-carriageway to enable a faster throughput of traffic. Some vehicles may have an urgent need for a swifter journey, not all on holiday.

I am open to reasons way stopping on the carriageway is preferable to stopping in a RH passing places, if the reasons can overcome my ideas.

Geoff

Sometimes as you have just pointed out common sense can be used problem there is to many are unaware and cause all sorts of confusion.

 

[Justus3]

Yesterday, we were on a local bus on the IOW going to Ryde. We followed a couple of cyclists causing a massive tail back, did they pull over, no, just kept going not a care in the world. Arrogance, stupidity, dementia I don’t know but the bus was 30 mins late on arrival.
Great fun on the NC500
Phil

Oh look yet another anti cycling mind set. Give it a brake we’ve heard it all before.
Point being ? Why should they ? Cycling has never got in way. “Massive tail back” clearly not safe to pass them with the legal distance. So it’s the cyclist fault is it. It’s it fairy cakes deal with it. Can’t possibly be the fact that we have way too much traffic on the roads can it? No it’s Cyclists getting the way. They have a right to be on the road the same as others with that legal right. Way more important issue on the road than this.Over all attitudes to cycling is the real issue. Sadly once you get on wheels too many stop seeing you as human and nothing more then moving target. To not over , hit or sadly kill.

 

[gus-lopez]

or bikers who will have to fill up with food and somewhere to stay on the way round

No, tents.

So it’s the cyclist fault is it.

Yes.

Can’t possibly be the fact that we have way too much traffic on the roads can it?

No ,it is too many people . 20+ million need culling.

Is the peloton legal in Scotland? Was surprised to learn that it is legal here in Spain

Only on an official event.Otherwise the law was modified after being introduced because they were taking the mick with large amounts.
the law is 2 bikes = 1 car. No more than 2 abreast & no more than 5 " cars" =10 in total without leaving a large space for others to overtake.

 

[Justus3]

Not biting , click ignore.

 

[chaser]

No, tents.

Yes.

No ,it is too many people . 20+ million need culling.

Only on an official event.Otherwise the law was modified after being introduced because they were taking the mick with large amounts.
the law is 2 bikes = 1 car. No more than 2 abreast & no more than 5 " cars" =10 in total without leaving a large space for others to overtake.

They are going to eat tents?

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[Jamesh]

Hardly going to be an issue?

It's a long way to drive for most...

It's not a trophy ride as much as lejog or coast to coast.

The weather is crap.

The midges are evil!

I don't think you will get many.....

However it's in my bucket list!

 

[Otter Spotter]

Oh look yet another anti cycling mind set. Give it a brake we’ve heard it all before.
Point being ? Why should they ? Cycling has never got in way. “Massive tail back” clearly not safe to pass them with the legal distance. So it’s the cyclist fault is it. It’s it fairy cakes deal with it. Can’t possibly be the fact that we have way too much traffic on the roads can it? No it’s Cyclists getting the way. They have a right to be on the road the same as others with that legal right. Way more important issue on the road than this.Over all attitudes to cycling is the real issue. Sadly once you get on wheels too many stop seeing you as human and nothing more then moving target. To not over , hit or sadly kill.

Cant possible be way too much traffic on the roads an it?“ you said
No that’s not the real problem, it’s inconsiderate people, whether on 2 or 4 wheels, cyclists cause an issue because they are slower that motorvehicles, most do not have mirrors and even if they did, they wouldn’t see the person in his or her car that is trying to get to work or an emergency. Many cars don’t give way to workers either.
I work on the principle that anyone in a works vehicle or emergency vehicle needs to be in fron not behind me as I am on holiday I have time they don’t necessarily have the same amount.
As regards your comment about people on 2 wheels being seen as a moving target, that’s not true, but in many situations I wonder sometimes if a cyclist is weaving just to see how close he can get to me.

Today in Hebden Bridge a cycle event took place on public roads, the only way you would know was a couple of people stood around with High Viz jackets and at least 2 groups of 15 to 20 cyclists (Peleton style) and another 30 strung out along the A road, no safety vehicles and no signs to warn drivers, utter madness on a bus route.
The danger is the cyclists are mixing with drivers of differing skills, Highway Code knowledge and frustration levels and these cyclists, because it is some sort of organised (word used loosely) event become entitled and therefore armour plated. A very dangerous mix IMHO

 

[The Old Man]

We share this planet, we share food resources, we share our interests, surely we can share the tarmac?

Cyclists are not too slow.
Roads are not too narrow.
Roads are not too windy.

Some people want to travel so fast that they miss seeing as to why they are there?
Roads are old and built to be fit for purpose for the vehicles of that time. Do we want to/can we afford to modify the roads to suit modern vehicles? Or do we go slowly or/and take a different route?
Windy? Drive slower!

 

[Justus3]

Cant possible be way too much traffic on the roads an it?“ you said
No that’s not the real problem, it’s inconsiderate people, whether on 2 or 4 wheels, cyclists cause an issue because they are slower that motorvehicles, most do not have mirrors and even if they did, they wouldn’t see the person in his or her car that is trying to get to work or an emergency. Many cars don’t give way to workers either.
I work on the principle that anyone in a works vehicle or emergency vehicle needs to be in fron not behind me as I am on holiday I have time they don’t necessarily have the same amount.
As regards your comment about people on 2 wheels being seen as a moving target, that’s not true, but in many situations I wonder sometimes if a cyclist is weaving just to see how close he can get to me.

Today in Hebden Bridge a cycle event took place on public roads, the only way you would know was a couple of people stood around with High Viz jackets and at least 2 groups of 15 to 20 cyclists (Peleton style) and another 30 strung out along the A road, no safety vehicles and no signs to warn drivers, utter madness on a bus route.
The danger is the cyclists are mixing with drivers of differing skills, Highway Code knowledge and frustration levels and these cyclists, because it is some sort of organised (word used loosely) event become entitled and therefore armour plated. A very dangerous mix IMHO

Right they don’t get the way full stop. The only emergency vehicle that need to have priority is one on blues and twos. Otherwise it’s just a vehicle. How the hell can anyone tell who’s rushing to work or not?.so you let cyclists pass then seeing many cycle to work. I for one do what’s more l arrive much soon then in the car. Some cyclists do have a mirror just like my wife has. Most just turn and look. So what if they ride abreast it’s legal and at time much safer. Oh and for ones like you in hurry it’s way quicker to pass them than one long single line. Any cycle event your given a briefing on what measures are in place. If your worried about how near they are are it’s clear your too near in the 1st place. When you’ve been close passed more times than you can remember , spat at, swore at, and even been driven at. All because you dare to be on road on bike. Then maybe you understand just why any of this matters.

 

[Gaston aires]

Oh look yet another anti cycling mind set. Give it a brake we’ve heard it all before.
Point being ? Why should they ? Cycling has never got in way. “Massive tail back” clearly not safe to pass them with the legal distance. So it’s the cyclist fault is it. It’s it fairy cakes deal with it. Can’t possibly be the fact that we have way too much traffic on the roads can it? No it’s Cyclists getting the way. They have a right to be on the road the same as others with that legal right. Way more important issue on the road than this.Over all attitudes to cycling is the real issue. Sadly once you get on wheels too many stop seeing you as human and nothing more then moving target. To not over , hit or sadly kill.

Give it a break ? Pun of the day. You have your thoughts I’ll have mine.

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[John and Jo]

You could always ride that route on a bike and why wouldn't you if you wanted to just like you would travel it in a motorhome if that was your desire.

 

[drpeej]

Why can't everyone just 'get on' ?

I am on both sides of the fence and think no group has an exclusive right to access.

 

[Otter Spotter]

Right they don’t get the way full stop. The only emergency vehicle that need to have priority is one on blues and twos. Otherwise it’s just a vehicle. How the hell can anyone tell who’s rushing to work or not?.so you let cyclists pass then seeing many cycle to work. I for one do what’s more l arrive much soon then in the car. Some cyclists do have a mirror just like my wife has. Most just turn and look. So what if they ride abreast it’s legal and at time much safer. Oh and for ones like you in hurry it’s way quicker to pass them than one long single line. Any cycle event your given a briefing on what measures are in place. If your worried about how near they are are it’s clear your too near in the 1st place. When you’ve been close passed more times than you can remember , spat at, swore at, and even been driven at. All because you dare to be on road on bike. Then maybe you understand just why any of this matters.

I have to assume you haven’t travelled along Scottish single track roads, it’s very easy to see who are locals keen to get on. I didn’t say I was in a rush, majority of the time I am not as I am retired

I will confirm that I am in favour of the new Highway Code rules regarding cyclists giving them as wide a berth as possible, if necessary, slowing down and waiting behind the cyclist until it’s safe to pass, what I am not in favour of is inconsiderate cyclists who do not look behind them and when safe to do so let the string of traffic behind pass, let all road users be considerate to each other and not think that one is more entitled to be on the road than another.

 

[Tio64]

Yesterday, we were on a local bus on the IOW going to Ryde. We followed a couple of cyclists causing a massive tail back, did they pull over, no, just kept going not a care in the world. Arrogance, stupidity, dementia I don’t know but the bus was 30 mins late on arrival.
Great fun on the NC500
Phil

The bus was 30 minutes late? Absolute bull sh*t! Total bo**ocks. I bet the bus wasn't 3 minutes late, if late at all.
Cyclists have been riding the NC500 decades before it was the NC500. There's an annual stream of cyclists travelling Lands End to John o'Groats every year.

What rubbish gets spouted sometimes on these forums, and coming from motorhomers it has to be breath taking hypocrisy.

If motorhomers don't support road use for all then there's no hope, cos I bet there's several million drivers would like us off the road.

 

[John and Jo]

The bus was 30 minutes late? Absolute bull sh*t! Total bo**ocks. I bet the bus wasn't 3 minutes late, if late at all.
Cyclists have been riding the NC500 decades before it was the NC500. There's an annual stream of cyclists travelling Lands End to John o'Groats every year.

What rubbish gets spouted sometimes on these forums, and coming from motorhomers it has to be breath taking hypocrisy.

If motorhomers don't support road use for all then there's no hope, cos I bet there's several million drivers would like us off the road.

Excellent

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[Otter Spotter]

The bus was 30 minutes late? Absolute bull sh*t! Total bo**ocks. I bet the bus wasn't 3 minutes late, if late at all.
Cyclists have been riding the NC500 decades before it was the NC500. There's an annual stream of cyclists travelling Lands End to John o'Groats every year.

What rubbish gets spouted sometimes on these forums, and coming from motorhomers it has to be breath taking hypocrisy.

If motorhomers don't support road use for all then there's no hope, cos I bet there's several million drivers would like us off the road.

If you were not on the bus you cannot say it’s Bull Sh*t and total bo**cks this is not a forum where you can call members liars, please remember the name of the Forum Motorhome FUN .

The fact that there is a annual stream of cyclists travelling from John OGroats to Lands End doesn’t mean that there are no delays or incidents on those trips. Your generalisations don’t prove your cause.

 

[PaulOH]

So much unnecessary tension!!!!
I began as a driver - I had an accident early on and couldn't replace my car - except with a bike.

I discovered that biking is the solution to many problems, but not apparently on narrow roads where bikes and cars share space.

(Should point out that bikes and cars share space much better than people and bikes = enormous problems)

There is an issue with road design or allocation where there is insufficient room for vehicles of different speeds and that needs attention - I remember quizzing a civil servant from the roads department about the space for bicycles on a new road proposal and it had never even entered into their thinking.

Let's revise what I think are the basics - garnered from memories of my driving test and practical application over 40 years:

• Roads are for a smorgasbord of vehicles:
• There are many types of vehicle which, subject to the highway code / rules of the road in various countries are entitles to be on a road- horse drawn cart, pony&trap, jaunting cart, Sinclair C5, and an Aixam or Chatanet quadricycle - oh and cars, lorries and MH's
• In 1967, it was determined that a bike is a vehicle - it's (usually) got gears and brakes and travels at a speed higher than walking using wheels, so is a vehicle - a sweaty and maybe squeaky vehicle but one nonetheless!
• Vehicles need to travel in a way that adheres to the relevant laws that apply to the road and which is conducive to the safety of the vehicle users and passengers as well as all other legal users of the road - no C5s on the motorway so!!
• That vehicles travel faster or slower than another is not an 'issue' - it is a fact of using the road. Everyone who is legally allowed to be on the road can be there and if you encounter a vehicle that is legally allowed but is slower than you, then it is your responsibility to act appropriately to ensure your safety, that of your passengers and all other legal users of the road - no running the carts off the road please!
• Paying car tax or insurance does not make anyone more legally entitled to use a road than a legal user who does not - no one except the government or local council 'owns' the road - sometimes with the state of them you'd wonder if Julius Caesar is still the owner!
• I believe everything above applies equally to the cyclist. To use the road safely, they should understand the need that other vehicles will pass and use any hard shoulder, provided it is suitable, undamaged or not dangerous (sloping), or where there is a passing place if provided, should be used and cyclists need to behave on the road in a way that a bike isn't a car (or better than a car).

I wouldn't like to guess how many times my life was saved due to a reflective yellow vest on my bike that I use for transport. I do find that some car/taxi/van drivers are unhappy that I'm on the road, especially when my legs don't match up to their BHP. I stay to the side as best I can without losing my place on the road, and after 30 years, I'm still doing my thing on the bike on the road, so something is clearly working.

Don't get me started on pedestrians tho....

 

[The Old Man]

The bus was 30 minutes late? Absolute bull sh*t! Total bo**ocks. I bet the bus wasn't 3 minutes late, if late at all.
Cyclists have been riding the NC500 decades before it was the NC500. There's an annual stream of cyclists travelling Lands End to John o'Groats every year.

What rubbish gets spouted sometimes on these forums, and coming from motorhomers it has to be breath taking hypocrisy.

If motorhomers don't support road use for all then there's no hope, cos I bet there's several million drivers would like us off the road.

Shades of;

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[Gaston aires]

The bus was 30 minutes late? Absolute bull sh*t! Total bo**ocks. I bet the bus wasn't 3 minutes late, if late at all.
Cyclists have been riding the NC500 decades before it was the NC500. There's an annual stream of cyclists travelling Lands End to John o'Groats every year.

What rubbish gets spouted sometimes on these forums, and coming from motorhomers it has to be breath taking hypocrisy.

If motorhomers don't support road use for all then there's no hope, cos I bet there's several million drivers would like us off the road.

Dear Tio64 (not sure if you’re Mr or Ms angry) Your abusive reply neither surprise’s or phases me. I guess you must have been on the bus to know it’s arrival time.
There is no point in replying to this message either.

 

[Jamesh]

The bus was 30 minutes late? Absolute bull sh*t! Total bo**ocks. I bet the bus wasn't 3 minutes late, if late at all.
Cyclists have been riding the NC500 decades before it was the NC500. There's an annual stream of cyclists travelling Lands End to John o'Groats every year.

What rubbish gets spouted sometimes on these forums, and coming from motorhomers it has to be breath taking hypocrisy.

If motorhomers don't support road use for all then there's no hope, cos I bet there's several million drivers would like us off the road.

Yarmouth to Bembridge 43m by car....say a hour by bus....

If a group of cyclists is traveling half the speed of a car then it would take 1hr Longer.....!

Ok it probably wasn't the whole route so half an hour is fair enough.

I'm a cyclist too, but holding up traffic to have a chat isn't on!

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[Wack]

I followed the satnav into York rowntree ,roads closed because the racing was on, ended up on a road a foot wider than the mirrors because of cars parked either side.

Had a guy in lycra on a bike behind me as I crawled along , he was in the left mirror then the right, then the left

Payback time

 

[Jamesh]

I followed the satnav into York rowntree ,roads closed because the racing was on, ended up on a road a foot wider than the mirrors because of cars parked either side.

Had a guy in lycra on a bike behind me as I crawled along , he was in the left mirror then the right, then the left

Payback time

Big ruddy A class it was ....!

 

[Wack]

Big ruddy A class it was ....!

An A class would've needed a helicopter to get it out

 

[bigtwin]

Oh look yet another anti cycling mind set. Give it a brake we’ve heard it all before.
Point being ? Why should they ?

The sad thing is that you believe what you’ve written and this is the very reason that there is a problem.

The rules of the Highway Code applies to us all. If you are holding up traffic it is both a requirement for you to pull over to allow following traffic to clear and a courtesy to do so. In many cases, it is ignorance that prevents a user from doing so but for cyclists, in a substantial number of cases, it is arrogance.

Ian

 

[Otter Spotter]

Here we go another anti bike thread!!

No not an anti bike thread just flagging up some idiots idea to make more money on the misery of both travellers and locals. When you have seen all the adverse publicity on the NC500 (whether justified or not) why add weight of traffic and fuel to the fire ?

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