motorhome tax response

[MyrtleGuru]

There must be an argument for buying the minimum spec base vehicle to keep it under £40k then arranging extras to be fitted post purchase to avoid the luxury tax.
I strongly suspect that we will think more carefully about which extras we spec in order to avoid the luxury tax.

That's similar to what I was thinking. If it's a PVC, buy the base vehicle and register it (under £40k), then pay a converter to turn it into a motorhome. Then what happens VED-wise under the new rules, I have no idea.

 

[jezport]

To make things more complicated some websites report that if a vehicle has a non standard option like alloy wheels it would require a separate test. If this is true, just think of all the different options on a motorhome which would make it impossible test every model with every accessory option.
Read the link below and judge for yourselves

 

[Vipar]

I knew that I was missing something. This only applies to NEW MH over £40,000 right

 

[Minxy]

I’m reading that this higher rate of tax is down to the engine and emissions, nothing to do with luxury tax?
So the sub 40k compass with the euro 6d engine will still have to pay the £2k high tax? No?
So if I’m reading this wrong, how much tax will the sub 40k compass actually pay at registration for the first year?
Oh gawd I don’t know!!

The VED yes, but if its £40k + the luxury car tax kicks in too.

 

[Minxy]

I knew that I was missing something. This only applies to NEW MH over £40,000 right

No, if it has the new engine with emissions on the COC then the new VED rates apply, if it is £40k+ then the luxury tax also applies.

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[Minxy]

A lot of sites quote that it only effects light goods vehicles under 3500KG
One quote is as follows..
The background to this is EU regulation 2018/1832 which requires that all new sales of Light Commercial Vehicles be subject to type approval and must provide a vehicle CO2 emissions figure. This means that from 1st September 2019 all new motorhomes under 3500kg will be taxed based on their emissions in the same way as cars.

Just Realized WLTP means
The Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure
So does light mean under 3500kg?

My reading of it all is that ALL new motorhomes/campers (classified as motorhome on their V5C) now come under the same tax class as cars, they no longer sit in either the PLG or PHG classes.

From doing more research I think 'light vehicles' actually refers to Light Duty Vehicles, rather than light weight (ie up to 3500kg) and refers to anything that's not very large/heavy which is the likes of lorries etc which come are classed as 'Heavy Duty Vehicles':

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[jezport]

My reading of it all is that ALL new motorhomes/campers (classified as motorhome on their V5C) now come under the same tax class as cars, they no longer sit in either the PLG or PHG classes.

From doing more research I think 'light vehicles' actually refers to Light Duty Vehicles, rather than light weight (ie up to 3500kg) and refers to anything that's not very large/heavy which is the likes of lorries etc which come are classed as 'Heavy Duty Vehicles':

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According to this I am correct https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct..._jan2014.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2uvhWs94XY5z7akWCc3S7j

 

[Deneb]

According to this I am correct https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&ved=2ahUKEwjzg-3votzkAhUXiFwKHVeQCrgQFjAOegQIBxAC&url=https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/ICCTupdate_EU-95gram_jan2014.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2uvhWs94XY5z7akWCc3S7j

Won't open for me at the moment, but appears to be a 2014 document.

The UK Government response to the tax petition indicates that all new M1SP vehicles with Euro 6d and subsequent engines (which are either motor cars or heavy motor cars by definition) and not just motorhomes, will be subject to tax in the emissions related bands irrespective of MPW.

DVLA have hinted the same in a letter to another funster, and the SMMT document also indicates the same.

Don't forget that under the legal definitions motorhomes registered after 1st March 2001 should never have been taxed as either PLG or PHGV since the classes do not by definition apply to them.

There is a difference between WLTP definitions for testing and HMG stance that all M1SP vehicles will be subject to emissions related taxation if they have a CO2 figure on the final stage CoC.

Could I suggest that you spend some time reading the previous threads on this subject that Minxy Girl linked to in her earlier post, because at the moment several of us seem to be going over the same ground all over again.

You will find the answer as to how the CO2 figure can be calculated using assumptions from the base vehicle figure, approved software tools, or WLTP testing in their own right according to circumstances, which answers your question about wheels as well.

 

[Minxy]

According to this I am correct https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&ved=2ahUKEwjzg-3votzkAhUXiFwKHVeQCrgQFjAOegQIBxAC&url=https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/ICCTupdate_EU-95gram_jan2014.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2uvhWs94XY5z7akWCc3S7j

That is an old document and at the end says:

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NEXT STEPS Both regulations must still be formally adopted by the European Parliament and the European Council, which is expected to occur in early 2014. This final step is regarded as a formality, and no further modifications or delays are anticipated. ​

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It would therefore appear than things changed from then to now - my research etc is based on more recent info; it is easy to find old stuff but unless I find newer stuff that agrees with it I assume it has been superseded.

 

[tacr2man]

Have any owners of Heavy 7.5 tonne plus motorhomes bought new in in the last couple of years got a CO2 figure on their V5 ?

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[pagey]

That's similar to what I was thinking. If it's a PVC, buy the base vehicle and register it (under £40k), then pay a converter to turn it into a motorhome. Then what happens VED-wise under the new rules, I have no idea.

apparently the dvla will now not reclassify a commercial vehicle into a motorhome

 

[tacr2man]

apparently the dvla will now not reclassify a commercial vehicle into a motorhome

Sorry to disagree , guy on another forum just had his changed , had to make second application , but it went thru

 

[Deneb]

Sorry to disagree , guy on another forum just had his changed , had to make second application , but it went thru

There's DVLA policy and there's what might happen depending on who deals with the application and the level of knowledge that they've got.

We tried to make it impossible for criminals to obtain a V5 for a vehicle belonging to someone else, but they still manage it fairly regularly

 

[Nostrovia]

What would be the downside of van conversions being registered as van with windows? Would this not keep it classed as a van for tax purposes?

As you know, a lot of self-builds are ending up as 'vans with windows' when attempting to re-classify. There are 2 downsides to this. Firstly, vans are only allowed to go at 60mph on dual carriageways - 70mph for motorhomes. And secondly, this:

"It’s a legal requirement that all UK registered vehicles are classified correctly on the V5C registration certificate (log book). All campervans, motor caravans and motorhomes fall into the DVLA category of ‘motor caravan’.

If you’ve converted a van into a motor caravan, you must return the V5C to DVLA for amendment."
Click here for the source of this quote.

So, you're compelled to re-classify, if you've done a full conversion (yet often the DVLA won't do it!)