motorhome tax response

unless I am missing something
1st year £2135
2nd year 465
save £1670
put on sorn 1st year
What am i missing?
 
Vipar said:
unless I am missing something
1st year £2135
2nd year 465
save £1670
put on sorn 1st year
What am i missing?
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It would depend on whether ALL of the first year fee is road tax and luxury tax or whether it's only part of it ... knowing the gov the road tax segment will only be £145 so you'd only get a proportion of that back, plus of course you then end up with a new MH which you can't use for a year which seems silly. As for the luxury part, I doubt there'd be a refund on that as it's not a road tax as such.

If, however the first year road tax rate IS just that with nothing hidden, then you could register it and pay the max £2135, then SORN it for the months you're not using it - as some people don't use their MHs for months on end then this would give you some of the dosh back. You'd could still fall foul of the luxury car tax though so you'd need to deduct that from the first year SORN benefit amount ... I think!
 
Whatever way you look at the new tax rules they spell very hard times ahead for the motorhome builders and probably the industry as a whole. What are the government thinking at a time like this with so much uncertainty and lack of confidence about?
 
According to government figures the chances of it getting debated in parliament (if it achieves the required number of signatures) is approx 400 to 1 against and even if debated nothing will come of it so really don't see any point in this.
 
From the NCC.

ROAD FUND TAX INCREASE FOR MOTORHOMES WITH NEW GENERATION ENGINES

As a result of the ‘dieselgate’ scandal a new emissions test procedure (WLTP) has come into
effect. From 1 September, if the motorhome has a new compliant engine, the CO2 emission
figure must be entered onto the final approval certificate. The motorhome is then
automatically registered by DVLA and the rate of duty payable will move to the higher car
duty based on the CO2 figure.

1. Will all new motorhomes first registered from the 1st September 2019 be taxed as
cars?

No – only those motorhomes that have the new engines (Euro 6 d/2) installed and
which are compliant with the Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure
(WLTP) which comes into force on that date.

2. Will the higher duty increase apply to campervans?

Yes, if a Euro 6d/2 specification engine is installed.

3. Will the higher duty apply to large motorhomes in excess of 3,500 kgs?

Yes, if a Euro 6d/2 specification engine is installed.

4. How do I know if my new motorhome has a Euro 6 d/2 engine?

Your dealership will be able to explain. Initially, most new motorhomes will still
carry the Euro 6 b/1 engine which is not affected by the new rules and will be taxed
at the current rate.

5. If my new motorhome is one of those with a new, cleaner engine what rate of tax
will I have to pay?

From 1 September 2019, a motorhome with a Euro 6 d/2 Engine, will see the rate of
road fund tax payable at first registration increase from £265 up to £2,135 for the
first year only. In years 2-6 the rate will move down to £465 per year.

6. This seems unfair, so what is the motorhome industry doing about this?

The industry has been actively lobbying HM Treasury on this for some time but
Government is standing firm.

7. What can I do about it?
Sign the Parliament Petition at https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/268246.

8. If I have any other questions about motorhome road tax who should I speak to?
Contact your local dealership or, if you are a member of either the Caravan and
Motorhome Club or The Camping and Caravanning Club, they should be able to
assist.

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BobtheBass said:
Whatever way you look at the new tax rules they spell very hard times ahead for the motorhome builders and probably the industry as a whole. What are the government thinking at a time like this with so much uncertainty and lack of confidence about?
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The Government are not thinking, they don’t have to. This is not a new tax, it is simply that because motorhomes did not have CO2 figures they could not be taxed like other private vehicles. A new international testing regime has come along because manufacturers were cheating on the old one. The new test forces manufacturers to give realistic CO2 figures on all vehicles, so motorhomes now automatically slip into the existing VED scheme. No one had to make any decisions, if you want someone to blame VW might be a good candidate because they got caught cheating.
 
i was going to change next year not now my m/h was registered 1/03/17 so escapes all this i cant see the point of changing it now so i can give the government more tax money to pollute less. I am 70 now so i will hold on to mine till the end of my motorhoming days and i doubt that i am the only one
 
Simon Howards Motorhomes said:
From the NCC.

ROAD FUND TAX INCREASE FOR MOTORHOMES WITH NEW GENERATION ENGINES

As a result of the ‘dieselgate’ scandal a new emissions test procedure (WLTP) has come into
effect. From 1 September, if the motorhome has a new compliant engine, the CO2 emission
figure must be entered onto the final approval certificate. The motorhome is then
automatically registered by DVLA and the rate of duty payable will move to the higher car
duty based on the CO2 figure.

1. Will all new motorhomes first registered from the 1st September 2019 be taxed as
cars?

No – only those motorhomes that have the new engines (Euro 6 d/2) installed and
which are compliant with the Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure
(WLTP) which comes into force on that date.

2. Will the higher duty increase apply to campervans?

Yes, if a Euro 6d/2 specification engine is installed.

3. Will the higher duty apply to large motorhomes in excess of 3,500 kgs?

Yes, if a Euro 6d/2 specification engine is installed.

4. How do I know if my new motorhome has a Euro 6 d/2 engine?

Your dealership will be able to explain. Initially, most new motorhomes will still
carry the Euro 6 b/1 engine which is not affected by the new rules and will be taxed
at the current rate.

5. If my new motorhome is one of those with a new, cleaner engine what rate of tax
will I have to pay?

From 1 September 2019, a motorhome with a Euro 6 d/2 Engine, will see the rate of
road fund tax payable at first registration increase from £265 up to £2,135 for the
first year only. In years 2-6 the rate will move down to £465 per year.

6. This seems unfair, so what is the motorhome industry doing about this?

The industry has been actively lobbying HM Treasury on this for some time but
Government is standing firm.

7. What can I do about it?
Sign the Parliament Petition at https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/268246.

8. If I have any other questions about motorhome road tax who should I speak to?
Contact your local dealership or, if you are a member of either the Caravan and
Motorhome Club or The Camping and Caravanning Club, they should be able to
assist.
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When I asked a dealer for an explanation he said that it would not affect Motorhomes over 3500kg or certainly the ones he was selling, and yes this is with the latest 6d+ engine.

So still clear as mud.

Martin
 
Or the manufacturers could produce motorhomes listed at less than 40,000. Perhaps a more extensive extras list , heating, toilets, engines, wheels:D
 
funflair said:
When I asked a dealer for an explanation he said that it would not affect Motorhomes over 3500kg or certainly the ones he was selling, and yes this is with the latest 6d+ engine.

So still clear as mud.

Martin
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Well I have literally just quoted the letter from the NCC.

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jezport said:
If no body buys new there will be no second hand!

If it became common practice to pre-register motorhomes as vans the whole issue can be avoided.
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As Mel (Minxy Girl) correctly says, this pre-registering would only avoid the 5 years of higher VED, NOT the first year duty which is based on emissions not price
The downside for the converter is that the depreciation clock starts ticking the day you register, so they would have to pull their fingers out on the conversion speed
I suspect sizeable deposits would be required
 
Reallyretired said:
Or the manufacturers could produce motorhomes listed at less than 40,000. Perhaps a more extensive extras list , heating, toilets, engines, wheels:D
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Interesting a new PVC from Compass is sub £40k
If you order the factory wheels at £500, it pushes it over £40k so in this instance , the £500 wheels would also cost you a further 5x luxury tax :(:(
 
Cheshirecat57 said:
As Mel (Minxy Girl) correctly says, this pre-registering would only avoid the 5 years of higher VED, NOT the first year duty which is based on emissions not price
The downside for the converter is that the depreciation clock starts ticking the day you register, so they would have to pull their fingers out on the conversion speed
I suspect sizeable deposits would be required
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It is possible to deregister a registered vehicle although they have tightend the rules since I bought one that was registered twice.
Cheshirecat57 said:
Interesting a new PVC from Compass is sub £40k
If you order the factory wheels at £500, it pushes it over £40k so in this instance , the £500 wheels would also cost you a further 5x luxury tax :(:(
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Then you have them supplied separately & invoiced the same.As I posted earlier
Cheshirecat57 said:
Extras count towards the £40k luxury price--see above
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Not if invoiced on separately from the vehicle. as I previously stated. If applicable this way you can also reclaim all the vat. Also worth doing when there is payment for additional warranty.
 
jezport said:
So the first year will be a lot higher the years after that will be lower if I'm understanding it correctly
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Depends what you call lower.....
It will still be £400+ pa as a minimum for the next 4 years then reduce to a blanket rate for all vehicles after that date.
Stepdaughter bought a new range rover last year, £1200 first year tax then around £650pa for another 4 years.

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pappajohn said:
And will this apply to places like India or West Africa?
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The procedure known as WLTP or Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicles Test Procedure was developed jointly by the EU, Japan and India. Japan is using it in a modified form and China only uses the emissions bit. India and S.Korea have not yet set dates for implementing it and I have no idea what the countries of West Africa are doing.
 
gus-lopez said:
It is possible to deregister a registered vehicle although they have tightend the rules since I bought one that was registered twice.
Then you have them supplied separately & invoiced the same.As I posted earlier

Not if invoiced on separately from the vehicle. as I previously stated. If applicable this way you can also reclaim all the vat. Also worth doing when there is payment for additional warranty.
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Gus
Not sure if thats quite correct with Whole Vehicle Type Approval
Its when they are FITTED not when they are invoiced
Manufacturer would not expose themselves to that risk/liability
 
What's the difference between a euro 6d/1 and a euro 6d/2 engine then (dare I ask)?
 
gus-lopez said:
It is possible to deregister a registered vehicle although they have tightend the rules since I bought one that was registered twice.
Then you have them supplied separately & invoiced the same.As I posted earlier

Not if invoiced on separately from the vehicle. as I previously stated. If applicable this way you can also reclaim all the vat. Also worth doing when there is payment for additional warranty.
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I can't believe that the manufacturer will agree to charge you separately for any extras they fit, the dealer might for any they do after delivery to them,, but the price from the manufacturer as delivered to the dealer will I'm sure be the figure that the luxury tax is based on.

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pappajohn said:
Depends what you call lower.....
It will still be £400+ pa as a minimum for the next 4 years then reduce to a blanket rate for all vehicles after that date.
Stepdaughter bought a new range rover last year, £1200 first year tax then around £650pa for another 4 years.
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It will be for £465 pa for the next 5 years, not 4 (years 2 to 6) ... your stepdaughter is gonna get a nasty shock if she thinks that in year 6 she won't have to pay the luxury tax and she will still have to!
 
Cheshirecat57 said:
Interesting a new PVC from Compass is sub £40k
If you order the factory wheels at £500, it pushes it over £40k so in this instance , the £500 wheels would also cost you a further 5x luxury tax :(:(
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Yup, and that includes some options already. It might make manufacturers review their costs and bring them down a bit if they find that people aren't buying due to the extra 'luxury tax'.

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If it's something that can easily be added after you've bought then you can do so and keep below the LT threshold, not so easy with some options though as some can't be retrofitted easily so it really depends on what you want.
 
I have a motorhome registered on 1st May 2018 and under 3500Kg. The V5C does not have an CO2 emissions value. I typed the V5C details (11 digit reference number) into the government tax web site (https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/EnterV5C) and £265 comes up for the tax rate. Don't think I'll be changing it in a hurry!
 
There must be an argument for buying the minimum spec base vehicle to keep it under £40k then arranging extras to be fitted post purchase to avoid the luxury tax.
I strongly suspect that we will think more carefully about which extras we spec in order to avoid the luxury tax.
 
Grianan said:
There must be an argument for buying the minimum spec base vehicle to keep it under £40k then arranging extras to be fitted post purchase to avoid the luxury tax.
I strongly suspect that we will think more carefully about which extras we spec in order to avoid the luxury tax.
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Don’t think I’ll bother buying new again.??

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Has anyone read this thread without their head hurting,
 
chaser said:
Has anyone read this thread without their head hurting,
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Yes but only because I took delivery of my new motorhome at the end of August. Now all I need is a smug ? face.
 
Simon Howards Motorhomes said:
From the NCC.

ROAD FUND TAX INCREASE FOR MOTORHOMES WITH NEW GENERATION ENGINES

As a result of the ‘dieselgate’ scandal a new emissions test procedure (WLTP) has come into
effect. From 1 September, if the motorhome has a new compliant engine, the CO2 emission
figure must be entered onto the final approval certificate. The motorhome is then
automatically registered by DVLA and the rate of duty payable will move to the higher car
duty based on the CO2 figure.

1. Will all new motorhomes first registered from the 1st September 2019 be taxed as
cars?

No – only those motorhomes that have the new engines (Euro 6 d/2) installed and
which are compliant with the Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure
(WLTP) which comes into force on that date.

2. Will the higher duty increase apply to campervans?

Yes, if a Euro 6d/2 specification engine is installed.

3. Will the higher duty apply to large motorhomes in excess of 3,500 kgs?

Yes, if a Euro 6d/2 specification engine is installed.

4. How do I know if my new motorhome has a Euro 6 d/2 engine?

Your dealership will be able to explain. Initially, most new motorhomes will still
carry the Euro 6 b/1 engine which is not affected by the new rules and will be taxed
at the current rate.

5. If my new motorhome is one of those with a new, cleaner engine what rate of tax
will I have to pay?

From 1 September 2019, a motorhome with a Euro 6 d/2 Engine, will see the rate of
road fund tax payable at first registration increase from £265 up to £2,135 for the
first year only. In years 2-6 the rate will move down to £465 per year.
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I’m reading that this higher rate of tax is down to the engine and emissions, nothing to do with luxury tax?
So the sub 40k compass with the euro 6d engine will still have to pay the £2k high tax? No?
So if I’m reading this wrong, how much tax will the sub 40k compass actually pay at registration for the first year?
Oh gawd I don’t know!!
 
A lot of sites quote that it only effects light goods vehicles under 3500KG
One quote is as follows..
The background to this is EU regulation 2018/1832 which requires that all new sales of Light Commercial Vehicles be subject to type approval and must provide a vehicle CO2 emissions figure. This means that from 1st September 2019 all new motorhomes under 3500kg will be taxed based on their emissions in the same way as cars.
 
Pausim said:
Something I have read elsewhere, from the DVLA, suggests otherwise.
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Just Realized WLTP means
The Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure
So does light mean under 3500kg?

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