A study has shown that about 63% of crime is committed by just 1% of criminals.
Low hanging fruit, I would have thought.
Low hanging fruit, I would have thought.
Motorbike stolen from outside my motorhome - Hinds Head in Stockport
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Why would you say something like that? At no point have I suggested what type of punishment should be enforced. I only spoke about justice for victims. Just because I have a different view to you, you make an arrogant comment against me. Not deserved and not wanted.
It was a question, not a statement.
I take it you are not in favour.
Do you have another solution ?
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This literally brought tears to my eyes. Why can't people leave other people's stuff alone? The world has become such a nasty place, full of people who have no regard for others and willing to trample all over the nice people. I'm so sorry this has happened to you. I do hope Karma plays a big part in their lives VERY soon!!
Another interesting statistic I once read is that the number of Police is about the same as the number of career criminals.
With a big push the Police could ... put themselves out of a job
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If you leave stuff out, you are inviting its loss.
While saying ' we shouldn't have to do that ' is not an outlandish statement, it sadly doesnt align with how things are these days.
The local 'lovelies' treat campsites just like hotel car parks, where another fresh set of victims arrive every day .
While saying ' we shouldn't have to do that ' is not an outlandish statement, it sadly doesnt align with how things are these days.
The local 'lovelies' treat campsites just like hotel car parks, where another fresh set of victims arrive every day .
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Motorbikes are left out all the time - just like cars.
Not really, certainly not in great numbers....most motorcyclists I know (having been one myself since 1983) garage their bike(s), very few leave them outside. You can't stoll up to a car, as a group of 4 blokes with 2 short scaffolding poles, and lift it up and shove it in a van.
A quick search shows a report linking the 1% and 63% to violent crime but I'd imagine it covers all crime. I'm sure many of us can recall press headlines "One man crime wave locked up" etc and most cops will know a few local criminals who, if they were locked up forever or made to disappear, crime would plummet in their area.
I don't have the answer but it certainly isn't giving criminals 3mths or 6mths in prison, out in half that time with no education/training whilst inside and no alteration to their lifestyle on release. (I'd advocate more use of tags, curfews and proper teams of staff to check upon that system and couple it with 3 strikes and you get 5 yrs but with a proper education/rehabilitation programme when inside...I'd also have 5 yrs meaning 5 yrs...behave and you get out at the 5yr mark, misbehave and have time added. It seems laughable to many that someone will get a 5 yr prison sentence and then in the same breath we're told they'll be out in 2...)
And they are stolen in alarming numbers.
If you are leaving a Motorbike outside overnight, the surprise shouldnt be that it is gone in the morning, the suprise is that it is still there.
Considering how paranoid most MH'ers are about security , to not apply the same logic to other stuff seems a bit odd.
Dont get me wrong, we all have ' oh it will be OK ' moments, but just like when you leave your awning out without pegging it down, and hope it doesnt get windy, sometimes you have to take the opportunity to avoid the risk.
Shame that the OP fell foul of those that have no morals, but its how it is.
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I guess I am blasé about security. Lived in my house for over 30 years and often learn the garage unlocked or door open while I pop out. Never had any even attempted thefts from. The garage, drive or garden. I'm not overly concerned about security on my motorhome and again never had an issues in 10's of thousands of miles all over Europe.
It would appear so.
With all the delivery drivers that we get round here, its a nightmare trying to get get anything done outside, and i live in a close with no passing traffic.
When you are out on the road, there are places you know you will stop, and places that you know you need to avoid, just as you would in local everyday life.
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Prefer it that way and enjoying life.
Guy down the road from us has 4 wheel clamps on his motorhome. Must be a nightmare when he wants to go anywhere. Perhaps this is why most motorhomes only manage a few thousand miles a year.
I would not leave a motorbike out in public anywhere these days, sadly
Most crime rates have fallen massively. But social media and instant always on news makes the perception of crime higher than ever.
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Is that graph based on the National Crime Survey?
Reminds me of the Home Office immigration numbers that are based on sample surveys at airports. Because they stopped recording the number actually entering and leaving the UK.
I remain sceptical.
I also remain sceptical but do feel that good news isn't newsworthy for a lot of the ways we get information either in the press or on the internet. For instance I think at the moment we are being made to feel that most people in the country are having a cost of living crisis but I'm not convinced there are some having a really tough time but wages are rising faster than inflation as is the state pension. The same with a lot of other " issues"
Very much agree regarding the news (24/7) we receive nowadays can be overwhelming.
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Interesting how crime rises during a Conservative Government (1979-1995)
and falls during a Labour Government (1997-2007)
But this may be also related to better locks on cars and house windows and more indoor screen time for the younger potential violent hoodlum, burglar and car thief.
Also the reduction in Police Stations, so less reporting of minor crimes.
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That last sentence is a significant factor. Crime used to be reported and recorded by beat coppers.
In 2010 the incoming Tory government cut 20,000 Police as an austerity measure. Guess what, recorded crime* fell.
* Except violent crime.
We really need a national ID card and proper records. But it would cost and where would it come on the spending priority list for example against defence and health.
Violent Crime reporting has always been fairly accurate, as the reporting is done from A&E where data is collected by several agencies, including the Police.
Vehicle related theft data is collected from the Police and the Insurance companies, and as the insurance companies now have policy excess, it means many (most?) vehicle break ins are not recorded at all.
Also cars are better protected today, 'Joy riding' was very popular in the 70's and 80's but is now fairly rare.
A local electricians van, door cut open like a tin can, all tools and parts taken.
Police not informed, no insurance claim made, as there is "no point". Therefore not on the statistics
Same applies to Burglaries, Many (most??) are not reported.
I run properties, I've replaced two front doors in the last 18 months.
Contents (not my responsibility) were not insured.
As neither resulted in an insurance claim, so were not reported to the police.
What did rise under the Tory Govt from 1979 was car ownership and well, just the ownership of 'stuff'. With that came a sharp rise in folk who didn't have 'stuff' wanting it. Take car stereos in the 80s, for many cars in the 70s, there was no stereo, perhaps just a rubbish radio. In the 80s along came the likes of Alpine, Pioneer etc and the huge rise in car stereo fitments meant a huge rise in 'theft from motor vehicles'. They could be removed in seconds and had no security so crime shot up...the same with vehicle theft. Once the manufacturers caught up, that aspect of crime fell. (There is also the train of thought linking lead in paint and water pipes to offending...)
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I'm not sure what to believe regarding the actual numbers of burglaries v reported ones. I doubt that most go unreported tho.
The big issue with not reporting is the lack of a true idea of crime. The Police were bad at cockling figures for decades...respective bosses trying to outdo colleagues by having lower crime rates so a Burglary getting crimed as a criminal damage and a theft (as Burglary was the key crime at that time)
Police (love em or hate em) can only direct resources at where they believe them to be needed the most; so if a whole section of a town fails to report the goings on there, they may not get the policing the area requires, so they moan even more about a lack of policing... exasperating the whole problem further
I think the possession of things ( electronics, clothes with labels, cars, etc) has a lot to do with crime and some of that stems from that government from 1989 when grab what you can for the yuppies spread into the rest of the population. There also of course the rise in drug use which requires funding. It might be the area we live in but burglary seems to me to have actually reduced in the past few years although a major crime around here was when someone had three ducks stolen!
Blame Michael Howard (Conservative Home Secretary 1993-1997) for that.
He tried to introduce a new card for which you would have to pay, rather than simply issuing a free card to every new passport holder (Like the Irish did) and then giving them (free) to School leavers.
You then charge those that remain (people above school age without passports, plus those that need to renew the ID card).
The process would have taken a decade to introduce, but in the long term (20+ years,) would have been profitable to the Government and massively reduced fraud.
Blair (Labour) also tried to introduce a ID card, but was voted down by the Conservatives (and some of his own)
So now it's a hot potato that no party will touch.
And the UK (and Denmark) remain the only major countries in the world without an ID card.
It also causes some issues. For example no reputable Employer or Landlord in London will accept a employee or tenant without a valid passport, which comes as a surprise to some people moving down to London from the north and west to job hunt and suddenly find they can't even stay in a hotel without a passport either.
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With the need to have biometrics to enter Europe how hard would it be to make biometrics part of the passport and add them to driving licences at renewal. I think the systems are already linked I think as I seem to recall you can use the photo from one to the other on renewal . As you say within a decade or two we would have almost everyone on the system making the production of one or the other necessary in everyday life would make the rest of the population join. The driving licence system could be used for card issuing to people who don't drive with a different card issued.
I think this is now the long term plan.
Hence the validity of a driving licence is now 10 years.
(Although my old paper one, issued in 1977 is still valid for 50 years!)
The main issue is many urban kids never learn to drive.
(It's 30% of adults without a licence across the UK, but much higher in the cities, as there is no need to drive)
The automated car can not be far off, even if that is still 10-20 years.
Which means the automated Uber/Taxi will be at the forefront.
For todays urban kids at school, many will simply 'call an Uber' to get from place to place.
It's a lot easier and also cheaper in the long term than owning and insuring their own vehicle.
I help run a youth project 14-18 year olds in London.
No kid has a car or motorbike any more (they did between the 70's to 90's)
Passing your Driving test is no longer a right of passage, part of growing up.
Every kid has an Uber account., Public transport runs 24x7.
The days of the 'Parent Pick Up' are slowly diminishing.
It's easier and cheaper to simply tell them to get an Uber home if they are late or have kit to carry.
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