Motorbike stolen from outside my motorhome - Hinds Head in Stockport

[Steve and Denise]

Dealing with it as an illness does not mean they are roaming the streets.
It means they are in a secure hospital whilst the issue is dealt with.

They may not be released for decades, if they are still deemed as a danger to society.
So they may or maynot be 'inside' for longer in Norway than they would in the UK, there is no 'time' put on their incarceration.

If they are locked up for decades they might as well be dead end of problem and cost a lot less

 

[Scottish Scrutineer]

I’ve seen a documentary about their penal system and it’s more like hotels than prisons. That in itself ensures there is no deterrent to would be criminals. Sometimes it’s not all about saving money.

The restrictions of liberty are a punishment which acts as a deterrent. Plus Norway has sufficient funds to finance services which support people who are requiring it. There is little crime, wages are high, though taxation, both direct and indirect is high. Alcohol is extortionate to buy, so folks don’t get drunk to the same extent as here. There is a strong social culture, which starts at pre-school, continuing through life including National Service, and ongoing reservist expectation.
Norwegians are generally proud of their country and cultures, and are well prepared to defend it. Remember who their neighbours are…

 

[EuroTrotters]

Stopped at The Hinds Head in Stockport overnight on Thursday. I was attending a concert at the Co-op live venue.

I rode my motorbike (electric moped to be precise) into Manchester and returned to the motorhome at about 11.15pm. Couldn't be bothered to put it away in the garage at that time of night so left it (steering lock on) outside the van right next to where I was sleeping.

4.30 am I hear a motorbike riding around the car park of the pub. There were 3 other motorhomes parked near us.

Then I could hear the riders talking outside our van with their bike engine running. I opened the bedroom window blind to have a look and there were 2 riders with helmets on on their bike.

I didn't think about my bike and theft, just annoyed at them being there and waking me up. A minute later they left.

Imagine my shock when I awake at 8.30an to find the bike gone.

No idea how they got it away so quietly. Lifted the front wheel? Snapped the steering lock and pushed it away?

It's not worth much - maybe £1000 and they don't have the charger which will be expensive to buy. I really don't understand why they took it to be honest.

I do normally put a brake disc lock/alarm on it but didn't bother on this occasion annoyingly.

Police not interested.

Hinds head seemed to be a good stopover. Quiet, big car park, away from the main road. Seems a nice area. It was odd the thieves came over to look - motorhomes are not visas from the road. I wonder if there have been issues before if they are aware that motorhomers stop there. Also, it's light at 4.30 am. I don't think they took it then. Must have come back a little later. Very bold!

After my smashed headlamp from motorway debris the same day it's not being a great weekend away

I am sorry to hear this.

That’s my local and my neighbours both work there.

Too late now, but if your unit was not too big, you could of stayed on our drive.

 

[EuroTrotters]

The Hinds Head is in the Four Heatons, a reasonably nice suburb of Greater Manchester . It's on Manchester Road Heaton Chapel. its Posher neighbour Heaton Moor "The Moor" is very hip. Property Prices used to be similar to that of South Reddish and Heaton Chapel until the Hipster boom saw Prices for Heaton Moor Double.

Heaton Moor was featured on a UK Police TV Show as it has been a hotspot for Burglary and Car theft.

Sadly, like a lot of the UK and many places in Europe, there are going to be problems. To me your Theft of say, £1,000 is a lot of money. But its yours and not their for some thieving C**** to take.

Bike theft is rife in the UK and we have lots of, well I was going to say young, but thieving gitsof all ages crawling around.

Some Karma here

Boy who died in crash was involved in plot to steal tragic takeaway owner's car

Dean Barnes was convicted of conspiracy to steal after Mohammed Islam was killed - another boy was jailed for manslaughter

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Burglary victim cleared of causing death of teen after chasing him in car

Callum Duncan was found not guilty of causing Dean Barnes' death, but Adam Norman was convicted

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

The thing is, we do not have the Police force to prevent this. The powers that be created this monster of a situation years ago, the likes of Teresa May cutting the Police force down.

We have two deaths here involving theft, the grief for the families will last a long time, they are not coming back.

Consider just how much the two incidents above have cost in terms of death, legal costs, threat of prosecution , then actually being put on trial. This is just two incidents, who knows, if they had disturbed you, that could have been yet more victims.

Sorry to rant on.

 

[SpeedyDux]

We read reports of career criminals with 70 previous convictions for acquisitive crimes still being given suspended or "community" punishments. There is a cynical proposal by the current Home Secretary to reduce the term of imprisonment for recalled offenders (who were released early on licence) to a mere 28 days instead of having to serve the balance of their unfinished custodial sentence.

A further proposal is to abolish all custodial sentences of less than 12 months. Might as well abolish the Mags Courts at the same time?

The Sentencing Council wants Judges to be more lenient towards one section of offenders, on the basis of minority ethnicity/religion and alleged social disadvantage. 2-tier justice - it's official.

All to free up limited prison places as the top priority.

What messages do such lax law and order policies send to career criminal offenders? Basically: Crime pays!

Any scrote who has been convicted of (say) 70 minor offences in reality has committed a vastly greater number of crimes that went unsolved. Across England and Wales, as few as 3%-6% (depending on which source you read) of burglaries are "solved" by Police. In many areas the figure is Zero%. How many of these so-called "solved" burglaries result in a decision by the CPS to prosecute the offender is another factor. We aren't being told that number.

Therefore, the criminal justice system has a lot of in-built filters that mean actual convictions for acquisitive crimes are the tip of a huge iceberg of prolific criminality. When only a tiny number of convictions result in prolific offenders being handed actual custodial sentences, and those nominal sentences in reality get reduced in various ways until there is a pathetically short period of actual incarceration. Which falls far short of public expectations. There is almost no deterrence in this system.

Except if you happen to be Lucy Connolly. Or Tommy Robinson. The system comes down on you like a ton of bricks. Wrongthink is more serious than (say) rape or manslaughter in terms of actual punishment.

On the other hand we are continually told by liberal progressives that the better solution is to rehabilitate convicted offenders through do-gooder programmes that will turn them into model citizens. What is the success rate, we might ask. Considering that this approach will apply only to the tiny minority of prolific criminals that actually get jailed, while the vast majority carry on offending almost untroubled by the Police, this seems more like re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic than preventing a growing crime threat for ordinary Joe Public, his wife, and especially his daughters. His sons maybe can take care of themselves while avoiding being stabbed. Maybe.

Not forgetting the stats that show that illegal immigrants are 24 more times likely to carry out serious crimes, especially sex crimes, than native Brits. The illegals effectively are allowed to stay here permanently, in their tens if not hundreds of thousands, at huge expense for the taxpayer.

Public safety is no longer the priority of the government. That seems abundantly clear to the majority of ordinary people. Hence they no longer trust the politicians, nor police, nor the criminal justice system.

Only Farage is promising to provide 30,000 additional prison spaces and 30,000 more cops. Which might not be enough, but it is a start.

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[VXman]

Only Farage is promising to provide 30,000 additional prison spaces and 30,000 more cops. Which might not be enough, but it is a start.

Promises are easy. Farage is promising anything and everything. He has no idea of how to deliver or any intention of delivering.

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

Promises are easy. Farage is promising anything and everything. He has no idea of how to deliver or any intention of delivering.

Don't spoil it for them, let them find out the hard, politicians promise the earth and deliver, $£"*all.
Mike.

 

[Steve and Denise]

Promises are easy. Farage is promising anything and everything. He has no idea of how to deliver or any intention of delivering.

So very similar to what we have now then but without the mass immigration

 

[Mikemfg]

I have a Bike albeit a BMW Gs for pleasure riding,
I never leave the steering lock on,waste of time as they kick the handle handlebars,snapping the pin off,
Which will result in an expensive repair,leading possibly to a write off.

Better too use a chain or Ulock..
But the above is no deterrent against determined thief's with a battery disc cutter.

 

[Steve and Denise]

I have a Bike albeit a BMW Gs for pleasure riding,
I never leave the steering lock on,waste of time as they kick the handle handlebars,snapping the pin off,
Which will result in an expensive repair,leading possibly to a write off.

Better too use a chain or Ulock..
But the above is no deterrent against determined thief's with a battery disc cutter.

Good idea if cough we can then use the disc cutter to remove the thief’s hands

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[Otter Spotter]

We read reports of career criminals with 70 previous convictions for acquisitive crimes still being given suspended or "community" punishments. There is a cynical proposal by the current Home Secretary to reduce the term of imprisonment for recalled offenders (who were released early on licence) to a mere 28 days instead of having to serve the balance of their unfinished custodial sentence.

A further proposal is to abolish all custodial sentences of less than 12 months. Might as well abolish the Mags Courts at the same time?

The Sentencing Council wants Judges to be more lenient towards one section of offenders, on the basis of minority ethnicity/religion and alleged social disadvantage. 2-tier justice - it's official.

All to free up limited prison places as the top priority.

What messages do such lax law and order policies send to career criminal offenders? Basically: Crime pays!

Any scrote who has been convicted of (say) 70 minor offences in reality has committed a vastly greater number of crimes that went unsolved. Across England and Wales, as few as 3%-6% (depending on which source you read) of burglaries are "solved" by Police. In many areas the figure is Zero%. How many of these so-called "solved" burglaries result in a decision by the CPS to prosecute the offender is another factor. We aren't being told that number.

Therefore, the criminal justice system has a lot of in-built filters that mean actual convictions for acquisitive crimes are the tip of a huge iceberg of prolific criminality. When only a tiny number of convictions result in prolific offenders being handed actual custodial sentences, and those nominal sentences in reality get reduced in various ways until there is a pathetically short period of actual incarceration. Which falls far short of public expectations. There is almost no deterrence in this system.

Except if you happen to be Lucy Connolly. Or Tommy Robinson. The system comes down on you like a ton of bricks. Wrongthink is more serious than (say) rape or manslaughter in terms of actual punishment.

On the other hand we are continually told by liberal progressives that the better solution is to rehabilitate convicted offenders through do-gooder programmes that will turn them into model citizens. What is the success rate, we might ask. Considering that this approach will apply only to the tiny minority of prolific criminals that actually get jailed, while the vast majority carry on offending almost untroubled by the Police, this seems more like re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic than preventing a growing crime threat for ordinary Joe Public, his wife, and especially his daughters. His sons maybe can take care of themselves while avoiding being stabbed. Maybe.

Not forgetting the stats that show that illegal immigrants are 24 more times likely to carry out serious crimes, especially sex crimes, than native Brits. The illegals effectively are allowed to stay here permanently, in their tens if not hundreds of thousands, at huge expense for the taxpayer.

Public safety is no longer the priority of the government. That seems abundantly clear to the majority of ordinary people. Hence they no longer trust the politicians, nor police, nor the criminal justice system.

Only Farage is promising to provide 30,000 additional prison spaces and 30,000 more cops. Which might not be enough, but it is a start.

Re- Farages promise, have you forgotten what he fought for and got (B@@@@Tj and look where where we are now. He is an opportunistic politician who will very quickly forget his promises when he realises the prison spaces will need to be paid for. A better answer would be to deport anyone who is convicted back to their own country and if their own country will not accept then charge said country for bed and board at his Majesties pleasure.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Re- Farages promise, have you forgotten what he fought for and got (B@@@@Tj and look where where we are now. He is an opportunistic politician who will very quickly forget his promises when he realises the prison spaces will need to be paid for. A better answer would be to deport anyone who is convicted back to their own country and if their own country will not accept then charge said country for bed and board at his Majesties pleasure.

Farage is talking about setting up "Nightingale" prisons, a quick, cheap and nasty solution, that I like the sound of.

I agree that foreign offenders should be deported to serve their full sentences in the prisons of their country of origin. Hopefully under awful, harsh, inhumane conditions. At least, compared to our cushy jails. The Overseas Aid budget could pay those countries to keep their deported nationals in jail. Make better use of Overseas Aid for our benefit. Also, as payment for agreeing to take back failed asylum seekers and illegal immigrants who are deported. Better than paying to house them in 4* hotels.

Even better still, stop allowing these foreign criminals to enter the UK in the first place. Defend UK borders properly.

 

[Landy Andy]

It doesn’t matter what any of “them” say, they don’t do what they promised.

 

[Steve and Denise]

It doesn’t matter what any of “them” say, they don’t do what they promised.

I think there are a few on here that would

 

[Landy Andy]

I think there are a few on here that would

Sorry I was talking about the politicians

It is one of the many things wrong with politics. They can say what they like to get your vote, then they, or someone else, can do nothing they have promised they would.

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[KASPAR]

Sorry I was talking about the politicians

It is one of the many things wrong with politics. They can say what they like to get your vote, then they, or someone else, can do nothing they have promised they would.

Were you not taught as a young un 'don't listen to wot they say, watch wot they do'?

 

[Outdoors Dad]

Farage is talking about setting up "Nightingale" prisons, a quick, cheap and nasty solution, that I like the sound of.

I agree that foreign offenders should be deported to serve their full sentences in the prisons of their country of origin. Hopefully under awful, harsh, inhumane conditions. At least, compared to our cushy jails. The Overseas Aid budget could pay those countries to keep their deported nationals in jail. Make better use of Overseas Aid for our benefit. Also, as payment for agreeing to take back failed asylum seekers and illegal immigrants who are deported. Better than paying to house them in 4* hotels.

Even better still, stop allowing these foreign criminals to enter the UK in the first place. Defend UK borders properly.

A lot of foreign criminals who are departed back they home country's are released early especially Eastern European countries for some reason. A lot of offenders who experience this procedure return back to Britain under a new name.

 

[Steve and Denise]

A lot of foreign criminals who are departed back they home country's are released early especially Eastern European countries for some reason. A lot of offenders who experience this procedure return back to Britain under a new name.

Maybe a good idea to tattoo a bar code on them, no mistake of I’d then

 

[B+W vanman]

Maybe a good idea to tattoo a bar code on them, no mistake of I’d then

Bit like the Nazis did?

 

[Steve and Denise]

Not really relevant

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[Outdoors Dad]

Maybe a good idea to tattoo a bar code on them, no mistake of I’d then

You would think something could be done at passport control wouldn't you.

 

[Steve and Denise]

You would think something could be done at passport control wouldn't you.

Well we’re dealing with a totally different type of criminal here so maybe time to think out of the box a bit.

 

[The Wino]

It seems from what was previously posted that the Scandinavian countries have a much lower rate of re offending than we do and yet there are still some of the " bring back the birch" mob who think that it's too soft on offenders and wouldn't deter them. Unless their figures and/ or ours are wrong where is the evidence that deterrence works compared to the very good evidence that rehabilitation does? It's the usual lot ignore any scientific or factual evidence especially if produced by the terrible experts who know what they're doing in favour of the populist rantings appealing to the biased end of society. The old testament lives on

 

[Brains]

I’ve seen a documentary about their penal system and it’s more like hotels than prisons. That in itself ensures there is no deterrent to would be criminals. Sometimes it’s not all about saving money.

Yet obviously it is a deterrent.
As their prison population is one third (per capita) of the UK prison population.

I'm not suggesting the Scandinavian system is the best, but it's statically three times better than the UK solution.
It also massively reduces crime in the long term, as there are far fewer (per capita) persistent criminals.

It also costs considerably less (per capita) in the long term, even if you take the additional staffing costs in Norway where minimum wage is twice the UK rate.

 

[Brains]

That’s all very well but what about justice for the victims, particularly where violence is involved. Victims are traumatised for years and sometimes never get over it.

Do you think the UK should introduce Sharia Law ?
Where the victim can demand the 'blood price', the biblical 'eye for an eye'.

There is about one non domestic murder per day in the UK, half a dozen or so per week.
Obviously justice has to be seen to be done, where do you think the weekly public beheadings should take place ?
Perhaps the middle of the field at Wembley Stadium with half the takings going to the families?

Personally I have no wish to live in such a society.
I'd rather attempts were made at rehabilitation before the 'lock them up and throw away the key' brigade got involved

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[Nanniemate]

A lot of foreign criminals who are departed back they home country's are released early especially Eastern European countries for some reason. A lot of offenders who experience this procedure return back to Britain under a new name.

If we deported all the English crims they'd just drive back.over the Severn bridge back into Wales

 

[Steve and Denise]

Do you think the UK should introduce Sharia Law ?
Where the victim can demand the 'blood price', the biblical 'eye for an eye'.

There is about one non domestic murder per day in the UK, half a dozen or so per week.
Obviously justice has to be seen to be done, where do you think the weekly public beheadings should take place ?
Perhaps the middle of the field at Wembley Stadium with half the takings going to the families?

Personally I have no wish to live in such a society.
I'd rather attempts were made at rehabilitation before the 'lock them up and throw away the key' brigade got involved

I’m definitely an eye for an eye end of the problem and if it’s their religion to die for a better place the body would be fed to the pigs, that would give them something to fear

 

[Outdoors Dad]

If we deported all the English crims they'd just drive back.over the Severn bridge back into Wales

Very sorry I meant to say HMPPS which is includes Wales. You can't forget Wales! Lol

 

[Nanniemate]

Very sorry I meant to say HMPPS which is includes Wales. You can't forget Wales! Lol

Good to see you've owned the error of your ways

 

[Outdoors Dad]

I'm not Walesist

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