migrants around Calais area ?

[PhilandMena]

We used Calais the other week and I only saw a few walking along the autoroute.
However, we no longer use stops or supermarkets near ports as we’ve had bad experiences in the past with loiterers around the van and that includes Caen and Dieppe.

Without getting into the debate of who’s fault or because we voted X, what I want to know is if these people are in fear to escape persecution from their homeland, surely they would apply to settle in the next/nearest safe country rather than trapes across mainland Europe to try enter the UK illegally?
If the government wasn’t prepared to give entry visas to the Afghan interpreters who were valuable assets to the UK armed forces whilst serving over there, why should pity be taken upon those who are illegally trying to get into the UK from the French coast?

I believe many migrants opt for the UK because they will be better off here than in Europe, even after entering illegally. Once they enter French coastal water they are escorted to the Royal Nany who brings them over the remaining part of the channel. Its now even safer for them to cross than ever before. Once in the UK its Hotel's, warm dry accommodation with Tv's, internet etc., and free food until their application is processed and if eventually rejected many will simply abscond and disappear into the mix like so many others before them.
Meanwhile the Government will continue to flounder as in reality it has no effective solution to this problem.
At some point in the future it is going to become a national crisis IMO.

 

[Brains]

Meanwhile the Government will continue to flounder as in reality it has no effective solution to this problem.
At some point in the future it is going to become a national crisis IMO.

Whatever your opinions on refugees/migrants, as HMG still has no effective solution is has been a national crisis for some time, it's just going to get worse until HMG do what has been asked multiple times by the French, the EU, the UN etc.

 

[PhilandMena]

Whatever your opinions on refugees/migrants, as HMG still has no effective solution is has been a national crisis for some time, it's just going to get worse until HMG do what has been asked multiple times by the French, the EU, the UN etc.

and that is ?

 

[Sandancers]

Sandancers
Out of interest, when did your family arrive in the UK and where from ?

We can trace our family back to 1500s, not sure before that.

 

[SteveK21]

Nothings changed, They came before, during and after. We never did take any back because the French wouldn't have them

Except that's not actually true. The numbers were low before we left the EU, around 500 a year. Now we can't sent any back via the Dublin agreement as some folks voted to end it.

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[Brains]

We can trace our family back to 1500s, not sure before that.

Most of those from the north east would have come over the North Sea from Friesland, Saxony, Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
Like the majority of English people, we are migrants, we just arrived a little earlier than the current lot, who in 500 years will also be able to trace their English heritage back 500 years.

Just hope that we don't have situation like in Spain where families who had been resident for over 750 years were sent 'home' to Morocco.
Geordies all being sent 'home' to Norway next ?

 

[Sandancers]

Most of those from the north east would have come over the North Sea from Friesland, Saxony, Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
Like the majority of English people, we are migrants, we just arrived a little earlier than the current lot, who in 500 years will also be able to trace their English heritage back 500 years.

Just hope that we don't have situation like in Spain where families who had been resident for over 750 years were sent 'home' to Morocco.
Geordies all being sent 'home' to Norway next ?

How can you even guess where my family originally came from ? Just because we live in the NE now does not say we lived here in say 1700.

 

[Sandancers]

Whatever your opinions on refugees/migrants, as HMG still has no effective solution is has been a national crisis for some time, it's just going to get worse until HMG do what has been asked multiple times by the French, the EU, the UN etc.

HMG DOES have an effective solution, ie forwarding the illegals to Rwanda. Unfortunately the Human Rights Brigade don't seem to like that idea.

 

[jongood]

Except that's not actually true. The numbers were low before we left the EU, around 500 a year. Now we can't sent any back via the Dublin agreement as some folks voted to end it.

You dont remember the jungle then? Well before Brexit

 

[Brains]

and that is ?

Set up a clearing centre in France where approval/disapproval of entry into the UK could be resolved in a matter of days.
(Costs, win or loose, would be covered by the applicants)

We need English speaking qualified doctors from Afghanistan or Syria, with family already in the UK.
We may not be so keen on itinerant farmers from West Africa who have no UK connections and may not speak English.
However there are crops rotting in the fields due to lack of agricultural workers.

Sign the Dublin Agreement.
Which means Economic migrants (not refugees) could be sent back.

Set a proper integration process:
Migrants would have say 18 months to get on their feet or they get a free flight home (or to any country that will accept them)

Stamp down on the black economy.
No ID (with tax number) = No Job.
The government recons there are 500,000 unregistered non-EU migrants in the UK.
The same government reckoned there could be up to 2.5m EU citizens working in the UK in 2019.
There have been 6.5m applications from UK resident EU citizens so far, which does not include the million or more who went back home during the pandemic when their jobs disappeared.
Therefore I think the figure of half a million unregistered non-EU migrants in the UK in an underestimate, the real figure is probably 10 times higher.

I predict another Windrush type situation in 20 years time unless some of the above issues are resolved.

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[Guigsy]

Set up a clearing centre in France where approval/disapproval of entry into the UK could be resolved in a matter of days.
(Costs, win or loose, would be covered by the applicants)

We need English speaking qualified doctors from Afghanistan or Syria, with family already in the UK.
We may not be so keen on itinerant farmers from West Africa who have no UK connections and may not speak English.
However there are crops rotting in the fields due to lack of agricultural workers.

Sign the Dublin Agreement.
Which means Economic migrants (not refugees) could be sent back.

Set a proper integration process:
Migrants would have say 18 months to get on their feet or they get a free flight home (or to any country that will accept them)

Stamp down on the black economy.
No ID (with tax number) = No Job.
The government recons there are 500,000 unregistered non-EU migrants in the UK.
The same government reckoned there could be up to 2.5m EU citizens working in the UK in 2019.
There have been 6.5m applications from UK resident EU citizens so far, which does not include the million or more who went back home during the pandemic when their jobs disappeared.
Therefore I think the figure of half a million unregistered non-EU migrants in the UK in an underestimate, the real figure is probably 10 times higher.

I predict another Windrush type situation in 20 years time unless some of the above issues are resolved.

I agree with most of this. But just pointing out. There's a big difference been refugees and economic migrants.

Refugees arrive and claim asylum. Economic migrants normally arrive with visa. Some of these outstay their visa and are therefore here illegally. The circumstances of these two groups are very different. But the media likes to mix them up when it's convenient.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Set up a clearing centre in France where approval/disapproval of entry into the UK could be resolved in a matter of days.
(Costs, win or loose, would be covered by the applicants)

We need English speaking qualified doctors from Afghanistan or Syria, with family already in the UK.
We may not be so keen on itinerant farmers from West Africa who have no UK connections and may not speak English.
However there are crops rotting in the fields due to lack of agricultural workers.

Sign the Dublin Agreement.
Which means Economic migrants (not refugees) could be sent back.

Set a proper integration process:
Migrants would have say 18 months to get on their feet or they get a free flight home (or to any country that will accept them)

Stamp down on the black economy.
No ID (with tax number) = No Job.
The government recons there are 500,000 unregistered non-EU migrants in the UK.
The same government reckoned there could be up to 2.5m EU citizens working in the UK in 2019.
There have been 6.5m applications from UK resident EU citizens so far, which does not include the million or more who went back home during the pandemic when their jobs disappeared.
Therefore I think the figure of half a million unregistered non-EU migrants in the UK in an underestimate, the real figure is probably 10 times higher.

I predict another Windrush type situation in 20 years time unless some of the above issues are resolved.

All the UK official immigration figures are unreliable because they are based only on sampling at airports. The number of illegals is a mere guess. The government were dishing out new NI numbers to legal migrants like smarties in 2019/20 [677,608] but in the following years the number of new NiNos issued fell dramatically and last year it was only 83,039. I find that drop hard to understand given the high level of inward migration under the points sytem where many have legal jobs to go to and HMRC wants them to be on their radar. One has to presume either that the black economy must be absorbing a very large number of migrants or they are supported in some other way by their relatives.

 

[PhilandMena]

Set up a clearing centre in France where approval/disapproval of entry into the UK could be resolved in a matter of days.
(Costs, win or loose, would be covered by the applicants)

We need English speaking qualified doctors from Afghanistan or Syria, with family already in the UK.
We may not be so keen on itinerant farmers from West Africa who have no UK connections and may not speak English.
However there are crops rotting in the fields due to lack of agricultural workers.

Sign the Dublin Agreement.
Which means Economic migrants (not refugees) could be sent back.

Set a proper integration process:
Migrants would have say 18 months to get on their feet or they get a free flight home (or to any country that will accept them)

Stamp down on the black economy.
No ID (with tax number) = No Job.
The government recons there are 500,000 unregistered non-EU migrants in the UK.
The same government reckoned there could be up to 2.5m EU citizens working in the UK in 2019.
There have been 6.5m applications from UK resident EU citizens so far, which does not include the million or more who went back home during the pandemic when their jobs disappeared.
Therefore I think the figure of half a million unregistered non-EU migrants in the UK in an underestimate, the real figure is probably 10 times higher.

I predict another Windrush type situation in 20 years time unless some of the above issues are resolved.

Thanks for this but is this your opinion of what the uk should do rather than what is proposed by the UN !
I did read that France suggested an EU wide proposal for an agreement with the UK on how asylum seekers should be processed but it fell apart when the French refused to accept any failed applications..
Let's face it once they get a foot onto uk soil, there going nowhere. Free accommodation and free food.

 

[Guigsy]

And the majority of these people came in on visas (tourist/working/study) via airports and ferries and the tunnel. They did not arrive on rubber boats.

 

[The general]

Free accommodation and free food.

Minimum

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[Brains]

Thanks for this but is this your opinion of what the uk should do rather than what is proposed by the UN !
I did read that France suggested an EU wide proposal for an agreement with the UK on how asylum seekers should be processed but it fell apart when the French refused to accept any failed applications..
Let's face it once they get a foot onto uk soil, there going nowhere. Free accommodation and free food.

The first two items (French fast clearing & Dublin agreement) are what has been recommended by the UN, EU and France (and several senior members of the current UK Government)

The other two items (Integration and clampdown on the black economy) is what has been recommended by Home office and the Treasury.

However I suspect the next PM, whomever it is, will not act on any of the proposals.